Anbyone else offended by the Coke commercial

[Moonbeam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It2oo2ZT6FI

Cha, cha

Chile verde me pediste
Chile verde te dare
Vama nos para la huer
Ta con al la te lo cortare

Tell them what it means, then
You want green peppers?
Si
I'll give you green peppers
Come out to the garden

Coplas
Lai, lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai, lai
Lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai

Dice que los de fu casa
Ninguno me puede ver
Diles que no basta el agua
Que al cabo lahan do beber

Tell your parents
Not to muddy the water around us
Porque?
They may have to drink it soon

Coplas
Lai, lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai, lai
Lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai

La mula que yo mente
La monto hoy mi compadre
Eso a mi no me importa pues
Yo la mon te primero
Oivey

Ah, so you are surprised
I speak your language
You see
I was educated in your country?
At U. C. R. A.

Coplas
Lai, lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai, lai
Lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai

La noche que me case.
No pudde dormirme un rato
Por estar toda la noche
Corriendos detras de un gato
Meow

Me dejiste que fue un gato
Que entro por tu balcon
Yo no visto gato prieto
Con sombrero y pantalon

On my wedding night, I did not sleep a wink
Porque?
I spent the whole night chasing a cat
That had come in over the balcony?
Meow
Wearing a sombrero and long pants

Coplas

Lai, lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai, lai
Lai, lai, lai, hum de lai, lai, lai
Hum de lai, lai, lai

 

[ivwshane]

I understand the motivations of people who want to immigrate to first world nations, and I don't blame them.

However, if 500 million people from Africa all want to move to Maine, and we allow all 500 million to do so, Maine is no longer Maine. It would be an incredibly over-populated place and the culture there would be unrecognizable. The former inhabitants would be a tiny minority and would be miserable.

A very extreme example but I believe that the same basic fact applies to immigration on a smaller, slower scale too.

I know that a lot of people in the third world would love to move to Japan or South Korea and even China. They are very restrictive compared to us, and as a result those nations retain their character and their unique diversity which would otherwise be swept away and lost.

Do you think the punishment for a people who create a desirable society should be ethnic cleansing, loss of majority status, or displacement?



If you believe I'm not actually concerned about this, and that I'm somehow messing with people by claiming I am, you're rather wide of the mark. I assure you, these trends actually worry me. That worry is sincere. Is it possible I'm overestimating the issue? I could be. It's also possible that those who are dismissive are underestimating it.



Call them what you will. For me they are trends which legitimately worry me and which I find to be unfair and skewed.

People once thought like that about the Irish, the italians, Jews, Chinese, etc, etc.

Your irrational mind allows you to be concerned with boogeymen. You do know that boogeymen don't exist right?

I'm just curious though, as to what you think makes America American? Would the current people in Maine be the same Americans as found in Texas or Mississippi or California or any other state for that matter?

 

[jackstar7]

When will we finally get 911 operators that speak a truly universal language: Klingon?

 

[Geosurface]

People once thought like that about the Irish, the italians, Jews, Chinese, etc, etc.

True. When things were more homogeneous people allowed themselves to be concerned with levels of distinction (particularly regarding the Irish) which now seem to us to be extremely minor. They seemed like a bigger deal to people back then.

I don't see how this negates the fact that a larger genetic gap between groups of people can be more problematic for assimilation, preservation of culture, cohesion, harmony, etc. You familiar with Putnam's research on more diverse communities having less civic engagement and trust?

There have been plenty of studies which seem to pretty definitively indicate that preference for people closely related genetically is inborn in us and pretty firmly rooted in our biology. I believe that this instinct can be stretched and made to encompass more people, but I think there is a breaking point for it and I don't think you can deduce that because Irish were able to be integrated completely, that everyone else, no matter how genetically distant, can be too, with the same level of success. We have quite a bit of evidence that this is not true. African-Americans have been in this country a very long time, before it was a country in fact. Yet, integration is still a huge problem and sticking point for our culture. Perhaps it is as I say, and there are limits to how distant two groups can be genetically and still coexist successfully.

What you're saying is a bit like saying "Boy now that I'm in the ocean treading water and surrounded by bloodthirsty sharks, it really seems silly how I used to worry about the neighbor buying a pit bull."

Coming into contact with a greater challenge doesn't mean that the lesser challenge was purely imaginary or trivial. And incorrectly identifying something as an insurmountable problem which turned out not to be, doesn't mean every single other thing you've identified as such isn't one either.

Your irrational mind allows you to be concerned with boogeymen. You do know that boogeymen don't exist right?

Boogeymen do not exist. However, demographic friction, cultural conflict and societal collapse do.

I'm just curious though, as to what you think makes America American? Would the current people in Maine be the same Americans as found in Texas or Mississippi or California or any other state for that matter?

I believe that people who are more closely related genetically have an easier time settling on cultural standards and maintaining them. I believe they have an easier time treating one another fairly and getting along. I believe people are more generous and trusting of people who are closer to them genetically. I believe this was advantageous in our species' development and is built into us. This may be somewhat unfortunate, but it is a fact.

I think any society which ignores this fact is setting itself up for massive trouble. The more they ignore it, the larger the trouble. Our nation probably could function well with SOME diversity, but I believe going beyond about 10% non-majority population is dangerous to cultural continuity, trust, cohesion, and societal success.

Everywhere you look around the world, most conflicts have some sort of element of genetic difference, religious difference, cultural difference, or all of the above. Different peoples' trying to live in the same space is a very reliable recipe for conflict. I don't see why a formerly homogeneous society would give that status up and invite conflict.

Have you ever considered that all of those "make white people feel guilty" TV specials and hidden camera things and studies of hiring practices, attitudes, etc which reveal that there are still lots of prejudices against blacks, are not evidence of whites being uniquely evil and intolerant for failing to embrace diversity - but just simply evidence of human nature which cannot be wished or legislated away?

If society follows the trajectory I prefer, and I turn out to be wrong, then oh no... the society's too homogeneous and boring. What ever will we do?

If society follows the trajectory you prefer, as it is doing, with gusto... and YOU turn out to be wrong, then the consequences are much more grave. We rush headlong into creating an environment which turns out to be an absolute powder keg. And it is extremely difficult if not impossible to undo the decision to convert a homogeneous society into a diverse, multicultural one. Which is why I think it is really rash to do so and to KEEP doing so when we have basically no examples of such a society ever working long term in our planet's history.

Is that really such an unreasonable position to take?

 

[compuwiz1]

True. When things were more homogeneous people allowed themselves to be concerned with levels of distinction (particularly regarding the Irish) which now seem to us to be extremely minor. They seemed like a bigger deal to people back then.

I don't see how this negates the fact that a larger genetic gap between groups of people can be more problematic for assimilation, preservation of culture, cohesion, harmony, etc. You familiar with Putnam's research on more diverse communities having less civic engagement and trust?

There have been plenty of studies which seem to pretty definitively indicate that preference for people closely related genetically is inborn in us and pretty firmly rooted in our biology. I believe that this instinct can be stretched and made to encompass more people, but I think there is a breaking point for it and I don't think you can deduce that because Irish were able to be integrated completely, that everyone else, no matter how genetically distant, can be too, with the same level of success. We have quite a bit of evidence that this is not true. African-Americans have been in this country a very long time, before it was a country in fact. Yet, integration is still a huge problem and sticking point for our culture. Perhaps it is as I say, and there are limits to how distant two groups can be genetically and still coexist successfully.

What you're saying is a bit like saying "Boy now that I'm in the ocean treading water and surrounded by bloodthirsty sharks, it really seems silly how I used to worry about the neighbor buying a pit bull."

Coming into contact with a greater challenge doesn't mean that the lesser challenge was purely imaginary or trivial. And incorrectly identifying something as an insurmountable problem which turned out not to be, doesn't mean every single other thing you've identified as such isn't one either.



Boogeymen do not exist. However, demographic friction, cultural conflict and societal collapse do.



I believe that people who are more closely related genetically have an easier time settling on cultural standards and maintaining them. I believe they have an easier time treating one another fairly and getting along. I believe people are more generous and trusting of people who are closer to them genetically. I believe this was advantageous in our species' development and is built into us. This may be somewhat unfortunate, but it is a fact.

I think any society which ignores this fact is setting itself up for massive trouble. The more they ignore it, the larger the trouble. Our nation probably could function well with SOME diversity, but I believe going beyond about 10% non-majority population is dangerous to cultural continuity, trust, cohesion, and societal success.

Everywhere you look around the world, most conflicts have some sort of element of genetic difference, religious difference, cultural difference, or all of the above. Different peoples' trying to live in the same space is a very reliable recipe for conflict. I don't see why a formerly homogeneous society would give that status up and invite conflict.

So what would be the best method of sending all our "brown people" out? Shall we fly them, ship them, or just catapult them back to where they belong? I hear drones can deliver just about anything these days......what do you think of that method?

 

[Geosurface]

So what would be the best method of sending all our "brown people" out? Shall we fly them, ship them, or just catapult them back to where they belong? I hear drones can deliver just about anything these days......what do you think of that method?

C'mon, be serious. Don't try to turn a legitimate concern about the health and future of our society into some clownish parody so that you can feel safe in ignoring the fact that this could actually be a divisive trajectory we're on.

Nobody's talking about sending anyone away.

I'm talking about taking notice of human nature and which societies around the globe are successful, in setting our immigration and social policy. I believe they should be calculated to maintain the society, not radically alter it.

As recently as 1964 the US had an immigration policy deliberately set up to maintain a European majority and the country was about 90% European ancestry at that point. Not that long ago, and not some crazy notion to have immigration policy like that. Unless of course you believe that 1964 America was some sort of Nazi racist hellscape of unimaginable horror.

 

[ivwshane]

You bring up the black community as if they didn't face anything unique compared to other races/cultures. You also ignored all other examples provided.

Time and time again, throughout human history, people have mixed and integrated culture and races and I can't think of any time in history where doing so set mankind back.

 

[Geosurface]

You bring up the black community as if they didn't face anything unique compared to other races/cultures. You also ignored all other examples provided.

Do you think that the uniquely harsh treatment blacks faced in not only the US but many cultures is anything to do with the larger genetic distance as compared to other groups who were not treated as harshly?

Time and time again, throughout human history, people have mixed and integrated culture and races and I can't think of any time in history where doing so set mankind back.

Can you think of any times when cultural and racial differences have led to strife, tension, and conflict between groups? (Hint: almost every conflict in human history)

And you don't consider being a society that had to deal with issues of segregation, slavery, civil rights, Jim Crow, lynchings, etc to have been a set back? Keep in mind that a society which was completely homogeneous would never have been plagued by any of those issues.

 

[Double Trouble]

OP, I too was annoyed that they took a great American song and felt the need to change it into other languages. Not a big deal, but I didn't like that commercial at all.

 

[michal1980]

if America was a melting pot, they'd all sing in English. Instead the left is working to balkanize. And coke went full tilt on PC bullshit.

 

[DominionSeraph]

LOL, While that commercial was on I told my wife "I guarantee there will be a lot of outrage about this." She didn't believe me at first, but now I have my proof, thank you for letting me beat my wife .

Conservatards were probably crying themselves to sleep.

>That Cheerios commercial
>America the Beautiful sung in languages other than English. ("If English was good enough for Jesus...")
>Brown man puts on the best Superbowl halftime show in memory, showcasing astounding artistic talent across the entertainment spectrum compared to the the banal exhibitions of commercial fame of previous shows.
>Black QB stomps lily white one.

Yeah, when I heard the Coke commercial, my ears perked up. "What is this? Something outside the typical narrow White Christian mindset? Conservatards are going to be going volcanic over this one!"

Thanks for being as dumb as I knew you were, Matt.

 

[Double Trouble]

if America was a melting pot, they'd all sing in English. Instead the left is working to balkanize. And coke went full tilt on PC bullshit.

Yep, that's how I view it as well.

 

[TheVrolok]

Offended.. Seriously? Wow.

 

[DominionSeraph]

>wake up
>conservatards are all atwitter about the "National Anthem"

It's like Christmas!

 

[Vaux]

if America was a melting pot, they'd all sing in English. Instead the left is working to balkanize. And coke went full tilt on PC bullshit.

I agree with this.

 

[Newell Steamer]

OP is a liberal plant pretending to be an outraged conservative.

Damn liberals!! Stop making conservatives look like crazy people!!

 

[Sulaco]

No.

 

[Geosurface]

Conservatards were probably crying themselves to sleep.

Yea how dare people want their nation to remain the sort of place they grew up in, and their parents and grandparents grew up in? Or at least not change so much from that sort of place as to be unrecognizable?

What intolerant, racist, xenophobic assholes. Expecting those who built a nation to actually remain the majority of it... pfft.

Who cares if the founding fathers explicitly stated their desire for the nation to be exclusively white or as close to it as possible forever? Those were just a bunch of stupid racist slave-owning colonialist genocidal assholes.

I say we take them off our money, tear down their monuments and burn every painting we have of them. Their stupid constitution is tainted to its core by who wrote it. Sheesh, ever look at who signed the declaration of independence? Total sausage fest! And no diversity at all! Just a bunch of rich, old, dead white men! Yuck!

Why are we still letting their diseased thoughts have any influence on our society at all? I say we put those founding documents through a paper shredder. Oh and what will we replace the monuments in D.C. with? How about 15 MLK statues, and one each for Che Guevara, Malcom X, Barack Obama, and Nelson Mandela? Sounds like a plan to me.

And since it's clear that expecting any sort of genetic or cultural continuity, or any sort of restraint on immigration at all is nothing but pure, unadulterated racism and white supremacy - let's stop pussyfooting around and do the only fair and moral thing: no more restrictions of ANY KIND on immigration. Unlimited rights for all human beings on the entire planet to come and live in the United States - even if they hate and want to destroy this country. I don't blame them!

And why should anyone want one language to be spoken? How regressive. I love it when I call customer service or ask a question of someone working at a store and can't resolve my issue because of a language barrier. It makes me feel very enriched, and I'm looking forward to that becoming a more and more common experience going forward. I'm looking forward to it spreading to all aspects of my life.

 

[fskimospy]

if America was a melting pot, they'd all sing in English. Instead the left is working to balkanize. And coke went full tilt on PC bullshit.

Hahaha, this is awesome. "If America were a melting pot all the new people would change to suit ME!!"

I hope you don't cook much.

 

[Geosurface]

Hahaha, this is awesome. "If America were a melting pot all the new people would change to suit ME!!"

Yea I know right? LOL!

What kind of a fucking regressive conservatard, xenophobic racist supremacist would ever entertain such a stupid notion as the idea that a common language and common culture and values might be important to a successful and sustainable society?

ROFLMAO!

 

[fskimospy]

Yea I know right? LOL!

What kind of a fucking regressive conservatard, xenophobic racist supremacist would ever entertain such a stupid notion as the idea that a common language and common culture and values might be important to a successful and sustainable society?

ROFLMAO!

People have been speaking languages other then English in America since before America even existed. Lots of them.

 

[Geosurface]

People have been speaking languages other then English in America since before America even existed. Lots of them.

Exactly! Which is why I know that no matter how far it goes, or how much the percentages shift from what they've been in the past, it will all be fine and nothing can ever go wrong!

Diversity is our strength! Even though it reliably leads to conflict across the entire span of human history and the entire globe today. We will be the nation to thumb our nose at human nature and get away with it. I just know it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Even if there was an Official Language, this commercial would still exist.

DING! Winner!
Seriously what is the issue, Matt I am guessing you are for minimal business regulations correct? Assuming English is the official language what happens when Coke still decides to make a non English commercial?

 

[Geosurface]

DING! Winner!
Seriously what is the issue, Matt I am guessing you are for minimal business regulations correct? Assuming English is the official language what happens when Coke still decides to make a non English commercial?

The problem isn't the commercial it is the shifts in our society which it represents.

 

[fskimospy]

Exactly! Which is why I know that no matter how far it goes, or how much the percentages shift from what they've been in the past, it will all be fine and nothing can ever go wrong!

Diversity is our strength! Even though it reliably leads to conflict across the entire span of human history and the entire globe today. We will be the nation to thumb our nose at human nature and get away with it. I just know it.

Clearly, the presence of multiple languages in a soda ad shows that this clash of cultures has already begun. I know this because I made up some idea in my head of what the 'percentages' were in the past.

I for one am outraged that other languages exist and that people in 'Murrica might speak them for reasons other than learning to speak 'Murrican. OUTRAGED.