*****ANANDTECHS crossfire review*****

[cresp0]

I currently have a 6800U SLI setup, and will be switching to an R520 CF setup as soon as it comes out, the main reason being support for multiple monitors. I HATE having to use either one of the ultras or one of the monitors...

So, if anyone's looking for a good price on a couple of eVGA 6800U's, watch out for another post of mine in the FS/FT forum

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If I may, who would people be more inclined to listen to about an SLI system? You, or Rollo. We'll, we know you have a 9500, and we know Rollo has/had almost every combination of SLI setups that have been available. 6600GT's, 6800nu's, 6800GT's, and now 7800GTX's. Your 9500 was most likely brought up to give an example why it would be better not to take your advice on an SLI setup of any kind. Sure, you can be knowledgable about SLI, very knowledgable, but somehow I can't see myself taking the advice from someone who has never physically seen an SLI setup (in person) let alone use one, over someone who has in GREAT depth. This has absolutely nothing to do with the "ranking" of your rig/card, whatever. If someone has a question about a 9500, you da man.
I really want you to work on the way you bring whatever points you have, to the table. Try it with some class and you will be listened to. Once in a rare while, you and I agree on something, but for the most part, we don't. Even though what I just typed makes perfect and logical sense, I hope you don't try to find ways to discredit it or tear it up for no good reason.

Knowledge is knowledge. Let's try this example. You made a written SLI test and gave it to Person A who owns SLI and Person B who doesn't. Person B (who doesn't own it) ended up scoring higher than Person A (who does). Would you still take SLI advice from Person A over person B?

Simply owning hardware doesn't automatically imbue its owner with knowledge. Would you say that EVERY person who owns SLI knows more about it than me simply because they own it?


It's not a question of what a person owns, but their knowledge and attitude. Rollo may know SLI and Nvidia, but I wouldn't trust his opinion on what to buy because he is so firmly biased in favor of Nvidia.

I will recommend either Nvidia or ATI based on what the person wants to use it for, and their budget.

Can you honestly say that Rollo would do the same?

Well, first of all, there was no test. Although I understand the point your trying to make, Person B really did not score higher than Person A. It's all ficticious and I'm not talking about hypothetical examples. Let's deal with what is real right in front of us.

Your second statement, about hardware and it's owner being imbued with knowledge just by ownership. Your talking about people in general and I agree, however, I was talking about Rollo.

"Would you say that EVERY person who owns SLI knows more about it than me simply because they own it?"

No of course not. There are after all people who have never even heard of SLI. So, no. Not every person. Again, I'm referring to Rollo here.

There are plenty of scenario's where an ATI card would fit a particular user better than an nvidia. Could be based on cost, games involved, form factor. I myself recommend ATI when the situation calls for it and based on the person's wants and expectations. The only real reason to suggest an ATI card currently is cost. And that rarely comes into play because of nvidia's line up and how it seems to cover most bases.

"Can you honestly say that Rollo would do the same?"

Of course. I have seen him do this often. especially during the R3xx gen. I myself purchased Rollo's X800XTPE to play around with for a while and have since sold it to the next guy who wanted to try it out. You don't seem to understand that we are biased in the sense that we go for the best cards available. All around best. Most features whether used or not makes no difference. We are armed with them if the feature is called upon in a new title.

Sorry this is getting so long winded, but, there's a lot to say I suppose.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: zendari

Rollo 2002: 9700 pro? who the heck pays $400 for a videocard? And you dont need antialiasing jaggies arent important.

Rollo 2003: 5800 U is such a coooool card, noise doesnt matter for a card, we aren't old people with sensitive ears.
9800 Pro? Damn ati re-releasing the same core, they aren't getting my money again thats for sure!
5800 U is better than 9800 pro! Who cares about dual slot? Who carse about noise? Who cares about AF? Who cares about PS2.0?
PS2.0? We dont need no stinking PS2.0! Shiny pipes smack smack, reflective water smack smack.
Halflife 2? Nope its a beta, doesnt count. Vouchers? ATI cant make a card so they have to bribe the company!
Wallet raider wallet raider wallet raider wallet raider

Rollo 2004: Farcry? Nope not good enough the 9800 pro clearly sucks, can only run the game at 10x7. Who cares if both cards suck. when 1 only gets 50 fps and the other gets 30 fps with crappy IQ.
Driver hacks? Quack quack quack.
NV40 is coming out in only 5 months, only a fool buys a videocard when something new is coming.
6800 U arrives! The messiah!
x800? vaporware. plus Damn ati rere-releasing the same core, they aren't getting my money again thats for sure!
why buy a faster card when it means giving up big features? Everyone needs sm3.0
ati can't do partial precision. can't make a new graphics card. who wants 2002 tech in 2004?
ati couldn't figure out PS3.
doom3 is awesome! Lets buy a 6800 U for all the dozens of D3 engine games that won't be released anytime soon.
HL2? crappy game crappy graphics crappy engine.
Farcry has SM3..bet those fools who bought ATI feel bad now, never mind that 6800 U with SM3 is still slower than x800 with SM2.

Rollo 2005:
SLI! 6800 U SLI is faster than x850 XT! 2 nvidia cards beat 1 ati card, who would have thought? get nextgen performance now with SLI!
Farcry HDR, omg wow shiny pipes reflective water! I can run it only at 2002 resolutions, but better to have it than not right?
omg wow soft shadows? I can run it only at 2002 resolutions, but better to have it than not right?
$600 for a 7800 GTX is defeintely worth it when its faster and cheaper than 6800 U SLI.
You can buy 6800 U SLI over $500 7800 GTX, but not xfire, even though xfire is faster than 6800 U sli
omg wow I can run highres shiny pipes with my $1200 gpus!
ATI cant figure out SM3 still, no R520 in sight.
Why wait when you can buy a graphics card now and enjoy it!
You don't need anti-aliasing anymore, you have HDR!

You should put that in your signature........ pretty funny

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"Can you honestly say that Rollo would do the same?"

Of course. I have seen him do this often. especially during the R3xx gen. I myself purchased Rollo's X800XTPE to play around with for a while and have since sold it to the next guy who wanted to try it out.

Well, I guess that this is where we disagree. His statements and outbursts continually display a definite Nvidia bias and he takes any opportunity possible to slip in derogatory comments about ATI and its product line. How can anybody still give unbiased advice with an attitude like that?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"Can you honestly say that Rollo would do the same?"

Of course. I have seen him do this often. especially during the R3xx gen. I myself purchased Rollo's X800XTPE to play around with for a while and have since sold it to the next guy who wanted to try it out.

Well, I guess that this is where we disagree. His statements and outbursts continually display a definite Nvidia bias and he takes any opportunity possible to slip in derogatory comments about ATI and its product line. How can anybody still give unbiased advice with an attitude like that?

Just out of curiousity, what difference would biased or unbiased advice make as long as the advice was good? ATI is in bad shape right now and those who "refuse" to by an Nvidia product even though there are no competing ATI products (I'm just talking 7800GTX here) can be called biased. The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

All of those blasted SM2.0/3.0 debates were freakin ridiculous. Remember?
2 cards, one is SM2.0 compliant, other is SM3.0 compliant. Same cost, and same performance. Which one do you buy? As expected, nv folks said SM3.0 and ATI folks said SM2.0 because 3.0 was nonexistant and will not be for a while and offered no benefits. All stupid arguments because anyone in their right mind would want to have more for their money. ANYONE in their right mind. Not a biased mind that chooses less for the same money.

Anyway. I'm done. Can't beat this anymore to death than it already has been.

ADDED: I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through. I was astonished. But he's happy with it as far as I can read.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


ADDED: I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through. I was astonished. But he's happy with it as far as I can read.

Dont put words in my mouth, I wasnt frusterated with my X850XT/PE. I upgraded my whole system. New mobo, another gig of ram, new CPU, new PSU, and new video card. BF2 had me overhaul my whole PC. To be honest, 2gigs of ram, was about the same performance boost as the 7800GTX. With settings on high, I got mass stuttering. Mostly at the start of the map, but thought randomly too. Now thats all gone. Smooth gameplay thruout is probably better than lower frames overall to me.

My XT/PE was pretty fast in BF2 at 1920x1200, but I couldnt do more than 2xAA/8xAF with everything in the game on high and get playable (to me) frames. I dont like slowdowns, and I like to keep settings cranked. So I got a 7800GTX. Ill buy whatever to play games how I like. I told myself I would wait for the R520 to make a more informed decision, but a irl friend wanted my mobo, cpu, and video card, so I sold it all to him.

And I am pretty happy with it, aside from not being able to blow the how air out the back of the case. Its very fast, and the new AA modes are nice.

 

[cresp0]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

I really wish more people felt this way. Right now, nVidia has the better product. Anyone who says otherwise is an ATI fanboy. nV is getting better benchmarks and offers more for the money. When ATI releases their R520 boards, only then will we have another story (or we won't..).

As I said before, I'll be switching to Crossfire as soon as it comes out because I like what it gives me, dual video card capabilities with support for dual monitors. SLI will never be able to do that because it wasn't designed with this in mind. I didn't know that when I purchased the 6800U's, and left me with a bad taste in my mouth for nVidia, but that's not to say that they have the best card out there. Heck, maybe dual 7800's will beat Crossfire'd R520s, and technically they would still be the better card, and I'd recognize that, but I'd stick with ATI for giving me dual monitor support.

The point is, the difference is in recognizing when one is better than the other. Blind fanboyism is frowned upon greatly, especially in discussions like this.

 

[vision33r]

ATI Crossfire is a year late. If someone claims that atleast it can beat (1) 7800GTX card, consider that if it cost you $1000 to beat a $549 card by just small margin, then it is a waste of money.

The true debate is whether the R520 will stand up to the challenge. Anand said it, the 7800GTX has no competition at this point.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


ADDED: I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through. I was astonished. But he's happy with it as far as I can read.

Dont put words in my mouth, I wasnt frusterated with my X850XT/PE. I upgraded my whole system. New mobo, another gig of ram, new CPU, new PSU, and new video card. BF2 had me overhaul my whole PC. To be honest, 2gigs of ram, was about the same performance boost as the 7800GTX. With settings on high, I got mass stuttering. Mostly at the start of the map, but thought randomly too. Now thats all gone. Smooth gameplay thruout is probably better than lower frames overall to me.

My XT/PE was pretty fast in BF2 at 1920x1200, but I couldnt do more than 2xAA/8xAF with everything in the game on high and get playable (to me) frames. I dont like slowdowns, and I like to keep settings cranked. So I got a 7800GTX. Ill buy whatever to play games how I like. I told myself I would wait for the R520 to make a more informed decision, but a irl friend wanted my mobo, cpu, and video card, so I sold it all to him.

And I am pretty happy with it, aside from not being able to blow the how air out the back of the case. Its very fast, and the new AA modes are nice.

Ahh, you see! Your reading comprehension skills do need some work.
:::state of mind::: The above comment was sarcastic and meant for humor inviting you to partake if desired::::
You know damn well that I did not mention your X850XTPE now did I..... You just assumed as always. I was referring to you waiting on ATI's next gen. R5something. Only reason I mentioned it is because YOUUUUU mentioned it a while back just after you ordered or received your 7800GTX. I remember cause my jaw dropped.

At any rate, glad your happy with your new rig regardless of the hardware you used.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


ADDED: I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through. I was astonished. But he's happy with it as far as I can read.

Dont put words in my mouth, I wasnt frusterated with my X850XT/PE. I upgraded my whole system. New mobo, another gig of ram, new CPU, new PSU, and new video card. BF2 had me overhaul my whole PC. To be honest, 2gigs of ram, was about the same performance boost as the 7800GTX. With settings on high, I got mass stuttering. Mostly at the start of the map, but thought randomly too. Now thats all gone. Smooth gameplay thruout is probably better than lower frames overall to me.

My XT/PE was pretty fast in BF2 at 1920x1200, but I couldnt do more than 2xAA/8xAF with everything in the game on high and get playable (to me) frames. I dont like slowdowns, and I like to keep settings cranked. So I got a 7800GTX. Ill buy whatever to play games how I like. I told myself I would wait for the R520 to make a more informed decision, but a irl friend wanted my mobo, cpu, and video card, so I sold it all to him.

And I am pretty happy with it, aside from not being able to blow the how air out the back of the case. Its very fast, and the new AA modes are nice.

Ahh, you see! Your reading comprehension skills do need some work.
You know damn well that I did not mention your X850XTPE now did I..... You just assumed as always. I was referring to you waiting on ATI's next gen. R5something. Only reason I mentioned it is because YOUUUUU mentioned it a while back just after you ordered or received your 7800GTX. I remember cause my jaw dropped.

At any rate, glad your happy with your new rig regardless of the hardware you used.

No you didnt mention my XT/PE, but thats the card I had before this 7800, which you know full well. You said I bought a 7800 out of frusteration, which isnt true. I wasnt frusterated with my XT/PE, nor that the R520 wasnt out.

So again, dont put words in my mouth.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"Can you honestly say that Rollo would do the same?"

Of course. I have seen him do this often. especially during the R3xx gen. I myself purchased Rollo's X800XTPE to play around with for a while and have since sold it to the next guy who wanted to try it out.

Well, I guess that this is where we disagree. His statements and outbursts continually display a definite Nvidia bias and he takes any opportunity possible to slip in derogatory comments about ATI and its product line. How can anybody still give unbiased advice with an attitude like that?

You STILL don't get it. I am not trying to give "unbiased" advice- I'm trying to give GOOD advice.

The fact of the matter is that in most situations at the high end, for most people, nVidia has been a better choice. (for the last year anyway)

You might have been able to make an ATI argument pre-sli, but since last November, the last 9 months, there has been nothing at all in the high end except nVidia.

They owned all with 6800GT/U SLI, now they own all with 7800GTX and 7800GTX SLI. I would be remiss if I recommended anything else for high end.

ATI products are just worse now, and have been for over a year.

The R520 may well change that, I'll change my tune then.

It's way more important to be ACCURATE than it is to be "unbiased" giving advice- people are spending money based on the advice.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


ADDED: I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through. I was astonished. But he's happy with it as far as I can read.

Dont put words in my mouth, I wasnt frusterated with my X850XT/PE. I upgraded my whole system. New mobo, another gig of ram, new CPU, new PSU, and new video card. BF2 had me overhaul my whole PC. To be honest, 2gigs of ram, was about the same performance boost as the 7800GTX. With settings on high, I got mass stuttering. Mostly at the start of the map, but thought randomly too. Now thats all gone. Smooth gameplay thruout is probably better than lower frames overall to me.

My XT/PE was pretty fast in BF2 at 1920x1200, but I couldnt do more than 2xAA/8xAF with everything in the game on high and get playable (to me) frames. I dont like slowdowns, and I like to keep settings cranked. So I got a 7800GTX. Ill buy whatever to play games how I like. I told myself I would wait for the R520 to make a more informed decision, but a irl friend wanted my mobo, cpu, and video card, so I sold it all to him.

And I am pretty happy with it, aside from not being able to blow the how air out the back of the case. Its very fast, and the new AA modes are nice.

Ahh, you see! Your reading comprehension skills do need some work.
You know damn well that I did not mention your X850XTPE now did I..... You just assumed as always. I was referring to you waiting on ATI's next gen. R5something. Only reason I mentioned it is because YOUUUUU mentioned it a while back just after you ordered or received your 7800GTX. I remember cause my jaw dropped.

At any rate, glad your happy with your new rig regardless of the hardware you used.

No you didnt mention my XT/PE, but thats the card I had before this 7800, which you know full well. You said I bought a 7800 out of frusteration, which isnt true. I wasnt frusterated with my XT/PE, nor that the R520 wasnt out.

So again, dont put words in my mouth.

Wait right here... I'll quote what you said. just need to find it. May take a while.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: cresp0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

I really wish more people felt this way. Right now, nVidia has the better product. Anyone who says otherwise is an ATI fanboy. nV is getting better benchmarks and offers more for the money. When ATI releases their R520 boards, only then will we have another story (or we won't..).

As I said before, I'll be switching to Crossfire as soon as it comes out because I like what it gives me, dual video card capabilities with support for dual monitors. SLI will never be able to do that because it wasn't designed with this in mind. I didn't know that when I purchased the 6800U's, and left me with a bad taste in my mouth for nVidia, but that's not to say that they have the best card out there. Heck, maybe dual 7800's will beat Crossfire'd R520s, and technically they would still be the better card, and I'd recognize that, but I'd stick with ATI for giving me dual monitor support.

The point is, the difference is in recognizing when one is better than the other. Blind fanboyism is frowned upon greatly, especially in discussions like this.

QFT

If some here could realize this the post count would drop 50%. :roll:

I swear if I hear one more goof whine about being "biased" I'm going to torch whatever politically correct bastion I find first.

All this pissing and moaning about how it's bad to be "biased"- WTH?- it's called being "smart".

Somebody that wants the dual monitor, go Crossfire.

Somebody wants Swiss Army multimedia, get a AIW.

Somebody wants high end gaming, SLI or 7800GTX is all there is.

Christ, it's not like we should worry about hurting big corps feelings- you recommend what's best based on your experience/study.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Wait right here... I'll quote what you said. just need to find it. May take a while.

Sorry, not going to hand around here all night.

Im sure I said that I wanted more frames in BF2, that I was getting with my XT/PE. Which is true, but doesnt mean I was frusterated with it. Every video card has its limits, even this 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Rollo


I swear if I hear one more goof whine about being "biased" I'm going to torch whatever politically correct bastion I find first.

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

How many anti-NV threads have you started? How many anti-ATi threads have you started? Yeah.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Wait right here... I'll quote what you said. just need to find it. May take a while.

Sorry, not going to hand around here all night.

Im sure I said that I wanted more frames in BF2, that I was getting with my XT/PE. Which is true, but doesnt mean I was frusterated with it. Every video card has its limits, even this 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Rollo


I swear if I hear one more goof whine about being "biased" I'm going to torch whatever politically correct bastion I find first.

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

How many anti-NV threads have you started? How many anti-ATi threads have you started? Yeah.

Ok, what part of "I did not say you were ever frustrated with your X850XTPE." did you not understand? Talk about putting words in mouths. Practice what you protest brudda.

 

[BFG10K]

unlike the games with nV only features NOW- SC:CT, Far Cry, Riddick. All big games, loved by reviewers and owners alike.

You mean the features you yourself never use and/or don't even work with SLI?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: cresp0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

I really wish more people felt this way. Right now, nVidia has the better product. Anyone who says otherwise is an ATI fanboy. nV is getting better benchmarks and offers more for the money. When ATI releases their R520 boards, only then will we have another story (or we won't..).

As I said before, I'll be switching to Crossfire as soon as it comes out because I like what it gives me, dual video card capabilities with support for dual monitors. SLI will never be able to do that because it wasn't designed with this in mind. I didn't know that when I purchased the 6800U's, and left me with a bad taste in my mouth for nVidia, but that's not to say that they have the best card out there. Heck, maybe dual 7800's will beat Crossfire'd R520s, and technically they would still be the better card, and I'd recognize that, but I'd stick with ATI for giving me dual monitor support.

The point is, the difference is in recognizing when one is better than the other. Blind fanboyism is frowned upon greatly, especially in discussions like this.

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

unlike the games with nV only features NOW- SC:CT, Far Cry, Riddick. All big games, loved by reviewers and owners alike.

You mean the features you yourself never use and/or don't even work with SLI?

n/m.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: cresp0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

I really wish more people felt this way. Right now, nVidia has the better product. Anyone who says otherwise is an ATI fanboy. nV is getting better benchmarks and offers more for the money. When ATI releases their R520 boards, only then will we have another story (or we won't..).

As I said before, I'll be switching to Crossfire as soon as it comes out because I like what it gives me, dual video card capabilities with support for dual monitors. SLI will never be able to do that because it wasn't designed with this in mind. I didn't know that when I purchased the 6800U's, and left me with a bad taste in my mouth for nVidia, but that's not to say that they have the best card out there. Heck, maybe dual 7800's will beat Crossfire'd R520s, and technically they would still be the better card, and I'd recognize that, but I'd stick with ATI for giving me dual monitor support.

The point is, the difference is in recognizing when one is better than the other. Blind fanboyism is frowned upon greatly, especially in discussions like this.

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

Well, I know I am. 400 cabbages is the most I'll trade for a vid card. I usually get the 2nd from the top card. My 6800GT should last a while. Maybe I'll be ready to get another beast when the G80/NV50 series comes around. Depends on how my GT is doin.
The 7800GT is said to debut at 399.00. Well see after the gouging is over.

Ok, 400 cabbages and a goat. But that's as high as I'll go...

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: zendari

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

Then why the hell are you posting in threads that are titled:

"16X SLI - the end of jaggies"
"*****ANANDTECHS crossfire review*****"

when it is obvious that they ONLY deal with cards that cost $400+? I mean, hell, I agree with you. I can't stand spending over $250 for a video card. But, ya know, some people are more willing. And they shouldn't be chastized any more than you, me, or anyone else who is reluctant to do so.

And, jeez, your comment about Rollo praising nV because he owns stock... do you know how high finance works? Yeah, nV's board of directors are callin' up Rollo right now, thanking him profusely for raising market value of their company's stock by raving about it on a message board. "Thank you for convincing that unknown forum member to buy our product, Rollo. Now if you could just turn that Zendari character on to us, we'll see profits fly through the roof. You know, I don't know why we even have finance analysts and marketing folks, and PR reps meeting with software and hardware developers, analyzing market trends, etc, when we could just have more Rollo's at that Andytech and maybe Tim's Hardware too, telling everyone to go buy our cards."

I swear, Rollo could start a thread that only said:

"nVidia's 7800GT is officially due out August 11th!"

and someone would jump in with comments like:

"Nice flamebait. You didn't even mention the fact that Crossfire beats it."
"Again, Rollo is spreading his nV bias everywhere! He's obviously making a dig at ATI for not having their card out by then. He may not have written it, but that was his intent."
"Another nV post by Rollo :roll: "
"Trying to pump your stock up?"
"R"

Biased, unbiased, who gives a crap. It's only an opinion. Wanna cast that bias stone so quickly? Make sure you haven't made a biased judgement yourself just because it's a post by Rollo. "As all looks yellow to the jaundiced eye."

 

[zendari]

Because you don't need to own a card to comment on it? I can't afford a Ferrari, but I can still comment on how its a nice car.

Rollo creates his own flamebait. Why mention ATI at all in an SLI thread? And speaking of chastizing, that's exactly what he does to anyone who doesn't own a 7800 gtx or 2.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Wait right here... I'll quote what you said. just need to find it. May take a while.

Sorry, not going to hand around here all night.

Im sure I said that I wanted more frames in BF2, that I was getting with my XT/PE. Which is true, but doesnt mean I was frusterated with it. Every video card has its limits, even this 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Rollo


I swear if I hear one more goof whine about being "biased" I'm going to torch whatever politically correct bastion I find first.

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

How many anti-NV threads have you started? How many anti-ATi threads have you started? Yeah.

Ok, what part of "I did not say you were ever frustrated with your X850XTPE." did you not understand? Talk about putting words in mouths. Practice what you protest brudda.

I also said I wasnt frusterated with waiting for ATi release the R520, like you said I was. So for the last time, stop putting words in my mouth, thanks. Im done discussing this.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Wait right here... I'll quote what you said. just need to find it. May take a while.

Sorry, not going to hand around here all night.

Im sure I said that I wanted more frames in BF2, that I was getting with my XT/PE. Which is true, but doesnt mean I was frusterated with it. Every video card has its limits, even this 7800GTX.

Originally posted by: Rollo


I swear if I hear one more goof whine about being "biased" I'm going to torch whatever politically correct bastion I find first.

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

How many anti-NV threads have you started? How many anti-ATi threads have you started? Yeah.

Ok, what part of "I did not say you were ever frustrated with your X850XTPE." did you not understand? Talk about putting words in mouths. Practice what you protest brudda.

I also said I wasnt frusterated with waiting for ATi release the R520, like you said I was. So for the last time, stop putting words in my mouth, thanks. Im done discussing this.

What the hell ever gave you the idea that you're "able" to discuss something like a human? Your a friggin robot.

 

[Zebo]

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

That's just rediculus. Most people, in here at least, buy on price to performance ratios. (you can add features if you want to performance)

Meaning: They had a rough idea what level of performance would satisfy their requirements, and they compared many competing products to see which one offered the most performance for the least amount of money and bought it. Well most do anyway.

And I think Rollo does. I dunno about you because I don't read much of your posts.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through.

I don't get why you said this. The 7800GTX is a fine card. You make it sound like Ackmed bought one only as a last resort. Sounds like he purchased one because BF2 wouldn't run at the framerate he wanted at the resolution he wanted to run it at with his previous card.

Isn't that the whole point of upgrading?