*****ANANDTECHS crossfire review*****

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: zendari

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

Then why the hell are you posting in threads that are titled:

"16X SLI - the end of jaggies"
"*****ANANDTECHS crossfire review*****"

when it is obvious that they ONLY deal with cards that cost $400+? I mean, hell, I agree with you. I can't stand spending over $250 for a video card. But, ya know, some people are more willing. And they shouldn't be chastized any more than you, me, or anyone else who is reluctant to do so.

And, jeez, your comment about Rollo praising nV because he owns stock... do you know how high finance works? Yeah, nV's board of directors are callin' up Rollo right now, thanking him profusely for raising market value of their company's stock by raving about it on a message board. "Thank you for convincing that unknown forum member to buy our product, Rollo. Now if you could just turn that Zendari character on to us, we'll see profits fly through the roof. You know, I don't know why we even have finance analysts and marketing folks, and PR reps meeting with software and hardware developers, analyzing market trends, etc, when we could just have more Rollo's at that Andytech and maybe Tim's Hardware too, telling everyone to go buy our cards."

I swear, Rollo could start a thread that only said:

"nVidia's 7800GT is officially due out August 11th!"

and someone would jump in with comments like:

"Nice flamebait. You didn't even mention the fact that Crossfire beats it."
"Again, Rollo is spreading his nV bias everywhere! He's obviously making a dig at ATI for not having their card out by then. He may not have written it, but that was his intent."
"Another nV post by Rollo :roll: "
"Trying to pump your stock up?"
"R"

Biased, unbiased, who gives a crap. It's only an opinion. Wanna cast that bias stone so quickly? Make sure you haven't made a biased judgement yourself just because it's a post by Rollo. "As all looks yellow to the jaundiced eye."

Dude- you have made my morning, this is hilarious and so true. Kudos.

P.S. I'm quitting my job tomorrow to wait for the call from the nV board! Too funny.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Zebo

You are bias, just admit it. Everyone has a preference. Saying otherwise is a lie. It may be slight, or may be by a lot, but you know you prefer one brand over the other.

That's just rediculus. Most people, in here at least, buy on price to performance ratios. (you can add features if you want to performance)

Meaning: They had a rough idea what level of performance would satisfy their requirements, and they compared many competing products to see which one offered the most performance for the least amount of money and bought it. Well most do anyway.

And I think Rollo does. I dunno about you because I don't read much of your posts.

What I said was true. If NV and ATi had cards that were 100% the same performance, and spec wise, I would get the ATi card. Why? Because I prefer ATi. I got a 6800GT over a X800 Pro, because I thought it was a better card. I went PCI-E next, and got a X850XT/PE over a 6800U. Mainly because at the time, the 6800U's were $600+, and I got my XT/PE for about $465, a few weeks after it hit the market.

Admit it or not, but you like NV, or ATi better than the other. Hopefully it wouldnt stop you from buying from the other company. You can have a bias, and still be smart enough to get the better product.

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I mean, even Ackmed bought a 7800GTX out of frustration of waiting for ATI to come through.

I don't get why you said this. The 7800GTX is a fine card. You make it sound like Ackmed bought one only as a last resort. Sounds like he purchased one because BF2 wouldn't run at the framerate he wanted at the resolution he wanted to run it at with his previous card.

Isn't that the whole point of upgrading?

Exactly. ATi doesnt have a card right now to compete with the 7800GTX. I wasnt frusterated with ATi about anything, no matter what some clueless people think.

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: zendari

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

Then why the hell are you posting in threads that are titled:

"16X SLI - the end of jaggies"
"*****ANANDTECHS crossfire review*****"

deadseasquirrel, I must have missed where you "chastized" Rollo for posting in the latest ATi driver thread? Oh wait.. you didnt.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Well that is true it wins in more games because its already faster. However, if they were EXACTLY the same speeds, ATI would still win.

Compare % increase over 1 card and you'll see Crossfire gives more % boost than SLI. Anand points that out so you can compare the two technologies and not deal with 2 cards...

That is a valid point, but what I don't understand is why AT claimed the following about the 7800GTX:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2451&p=7

Why high res?

It is important to remember that we tested at resolutions of 1600x1200 and higher because lower resolutions are CPU limited without AA and AF enabled. In many cases the GeForce 7800 GTX don't show much difference in performance with and without antialiasing at lower resolutions. This kind of data doesn't give us much useful information about the card. We have truly reached another plateau in graphics performance with this part: pushing the card to the max is all but necessary in order to understand its performance characteristics.

Yet, when they test out CrossFire, the max res is 1600x1200... Just seems odd to me. Even between the 6800Ultras and the 7800GTXes in SLI is the huge difference comes in at 2048x1536, and not at 1600x1200.

I immediatly noticed that, i dont know wtf they wouldnt do 1920x1440 and 2048x1536.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
deadseasquirrel, I must have missed where you "chastized" Rollo for posting in the latest ATi driver thread? Oh wait.. you didnt.

I don't read all the threads all the time. Haven't read that one. I read this one. And someone crapped in it, and I responded. If I read another and someone does the same, I may or may not respond again. And, yes, if the discussion was about an ATI driver in that thread, and Rollo responded with "You know, some of us aren't interested in ATI cards", I would respond to him the same way I did to Zendari.

But your defense of Zendari is puzzling. Reread the part where he responded with what I quoted. Posted again below, for reference. The discussion is about Crossfire vs. SLI. He responds that he is not interested in high-end cards... in a thread about Crossfire. Might as well have told us what kind of soup he enjoys the most.

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: cresp0

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The smartest video card consumer can best be described as "a fair weather fan". This means that whoever has the better product at the time has my support and my money.

I really wish more people felt this way. Right now, nVidia has the better product. Anyone who says otherwise is an ATI fanboy. nV is getting better benchmarks and offers more for the money. When ATI releases their R520 boards, only then will we have another story (or we won't..).

As I said before, I'll be switching to Crossfire as soon as it comes out because I like what it gives me, dual video card capabilities with support for dual monitors. SLI will never be able to do that because it wasn't designed with this in mind. I didn't know that when I purchased the 6800U's, and left me with a bad taste in my mouth for nVidia, but that's not to say that they have the best card out there. Heck, maybe dual 7800's will beat Crossfire'd R520s, and technically they would still be the better card, and I'd recognize that, but I'd stick with ATI for giving me dual monitor support.

The point is, the difference is in recognizing when one is better than the other. Blind fanboyism is frowned upon greatly, especially in discussions like this.

You know, I suppose a lot of us are interested in cards that are less than $400-500.

 

[nRollo]

Deadseasquirrel:

Zendari/Ackmed/Creig/BFG10K/a few others seem to have made a pact with each other to disagree with me whenever they can, and remind us all that I enjoyed my 5800Us whenever they can. They try to justify their pointless flaming as "righteous defense of non biased information on the forum", but mostly they just like to flame me.

Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[Ackmed]

I didnt defend Zendari. I simply stated you were defending Rollo, when he has done the same thing, many times. Which is pretty ironic to me.

And its not disagreeing with you rollo, nor is it flaming. Its pointing out your bias and blatent NV PR posts.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt defend Zendari. I simply stated you were defending Rollo, when he has done the same thing, many times. Which is pretty ironic to me.

And its not disagreeing with you rollo, nor is it flaming. Its pointing out your bias and blatent NV PR posts.

Will be interesting to see what you call my R520 posts? Blatant ATI PR? :roll:

Sheesh. Can't help it ATI hasn't had anything interesting to write about since 2002. My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then. Then they just started re-making it, over and over and over.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

 

[BFG10K]

My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then

Yet you quickly ditched it and purchased an inferior 5800U card three times and tried to explain to us that "W00T, games cower at 1024x768 and AA + AF are not needed". The second tiime around you even lambasted the 9700 Pro as being too slow to run AF/AA (you were either lying or clueless, probably the latter I'd expect) and then picked up an even slower card.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

Yet you were thrilled to purchase a 5800U three times

Honestly Rollo, this "poor old me, I'm just posting my hobbies and everybody keeps flaming me" is an insult to everyones' intelligence here. You are a blatant nV troll and are likely on their advertising/sales payroll as well.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Honestly Rollo, this "poor old me, I'm just posting my hobbies and everybody keeps flaming me" is an insult to everyones' intelligence here. You are a blatant nV troll and are likely on their advertising/sales payroll as well.

Either that or he doesn't have the common sense to realize how biased he is. Personally I think it's a bit of both, he probably has nV stock and thinks brainwashing people on forums will make his stocks go up (laugh) and he's just a biased fanboy overall. As for working for nVidia, I highly doubt that since they wouldn't hire someone so insignificant that irks people with his obvious bias - they have more tact than that.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Honestly Rollo, this "poor old me, I'm just posting my hobbies and everybody keeps flaming me" is an insult to everyones' intelligence here. You are a blatant nV troll and are likely on their advertising/sales payroll as well.

Either that or he doesn't have the common sense to realize how biased he is. Personally I think it's a bit of both, he probably has nV stock and thinks brainwashing people on forums will make his stocks go up (laugh) and he's just a biased fanboy overall. As for working for nVidia, I highly doubt that since they wouldn't hire someone so insignificant that irks people with his obvious bias - they have more tact than that.

Do you even know how stocks work?

Right now BFG you are trolling you know. You seem to favor ATi go ahead. Rollo seem to favor NV go ahead. Dont put down people and call fanboy at each other? Whats the point? You here to flame people, mock them, etc?

Who is the video forum admin anyway?!!?!?

 

[Insomniak]

Looks nice and all, but I have only one word:

Availability.

Benchmarks are nice, but until I can buy it, moot point.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Looks nice and all, but I have only one word:

Availability.

Benchmarks are nice, but until I can buy it, moot point.

Exactly...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Omg.. take a read

Link

The quote :

". With CrossFire, the new SuperAA modes are only available in Direct3D games."

So every game based on a Carmack engine (lots) and a few others like Riddick- no super AA for Crossfire.

Why is ATi shooting their own feet?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then

Yet you quickly ditched it and purchased an inferior 5800U card three times and tried to explain to us that "W00T, games cower at 1024x768 and AA + AF are not needed". The second tiime around you even lambasted the 9700 Pro as being too slow to run AF/AA (you were either lying or clueless, probably the latter I'd expect) and then picked up an even slower card.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

Yet you were thrilled to purchase a 5800U three times

Honestly Rollo, this "poor old me, I'm just posting my hobbies and everybody keeps flaming me" is an insult to everyones' intelligence here. You are a blatant nV troll and are likely on their advertising/sales payroll as well.

Wow BFG. How much lower can you go? Seems your main hobby is hitting below the belt. Well, cheers to you. Whatever world your state of argumentative mind resides in.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Omg.. take a read

Link

The quote :

". With CrossFire, the new SuperAA modes are only available in Direct3D games."

So every game based on a Carmack engine (lots) and a few others like Riddick- no super AA for Crossfire.

Why is ATi shooting their own feet?

QFT- no control panel AA, no OpenGL AA, Direct3d set in game ONLY for Crossfire. LOL- how worthless is that?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then

Yet you quickly ditched it and purchased an inferior 5800U card three times and tried to explain to us that "W00T, games cower at 1024x768 and AA + AF are not needed". The second tiime around you even lambasted the 9700 Pro as being too slow to run AF/AA (you were either lying or clueless, probably the latter I'd expect) and then picked up an even slower card.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

Yet you were thrilled to purchase a 5800U three times

Honestly Rollo, this "poor old me, I'm just posting my hobbies and everybody keeps flaming me" is an insult to everyones' intelligence here. You are a blatant nV troll and are likely on their advertising/sales payroll as well.

Wow BFG. How much lower can you go? Seems your main hobby is hitting below the belt. Well, cheers to you. Whatever world your state of argumentative mind resides in.

He's been whining about me buying some 5800s and using them a total of 4 months compared to the 18 months I used his beloved 9700Pro/9800Pro for years Keys.

BFG is a jealous man who apparently can't stand it if you have the audacity to try and enjoy the second best card. ( unless of course it's him downgrading from a 6800U to a X800XL) :roll:

There's no sense to his "forum dictator" behavior, after a while you realize that arguing with him is like arguing with a panhandler on the street- not much point.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Wow BFG. How much lower can you go? Seems your main hobby is hitting below the belt. Well, cheers to you. Whatever world your state of argumentative mind resides in.

I don't ever recall you chastizing Rollo for "hitting below the belt" whenever he went on one of HIS tirades. Or is it okay when he does it?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Wow BFG. How much lower can you go? Seems your main hobby is hitting below the belt. Well, cheers to you. Whatever world your state of argumentative mind resides in.

I don't ever recall you chastizing Rollo for "hitting below the belt" whenever he went on one of HIS tirades. Or is it okay when he does it?

Your second runner up Creig. Working on the number one spot are we?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt defend Zendari. I simply stated you were defending Rollo, when he has done the same thing, many times. Which is pretty ironic to me.

And its not disagreeing with you rollo, nor is it flaming. Its pointing out your bias and blatent NV PR posts.

Will be interesting to see what you call my R520 posts? Blatant ATI PR? :roll:

Sheesh. Can't help it ATI hasn't had anything interesting to write about since 2002. My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then. Then they just started re-making it, over and over and over.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

You whine about buying the R300 card multiple times, how many times have you bought the NV40? 2 6800s, 2 6800 GTs, 2 6800 Us, 2 7800 GTX. And what else?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt defend Zendari. I simply stated you were defending Rollo, when he has done the same thing, many times. Which is pretty ironic to me.

And its not disagreeing with you rollo, nor is it flaming. Its pointing out your bias and blatent NV PR posts.

Will be interesting to see what you call my R520 posts? Blatant ATI PR? :roll:

Sheesh. Can't help it ATI hasn't had anything interesting to write about since 2002. My 9700Pro was my favorite card ever back then. Then they just started re-making it, over and over and over.

I'm not exactly the only guy on the web that was less than thrilled by this.

You whine about buying the R300 card multiple times, how many times have you bought the NV40? 2 6800s, 2 6800 GTs, 2 6800 Us, 2 7800 GTX. And what else?

Call back when you get your info right.

 

[zendari]

Then correct me Keys.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: zendari
Then correct me Keys.

Ok, but you'll only belittle it. Anyway here it is.

According to him, Rollo has never owned 6800U's. Just 6800nu's and GT's for NV40 core.
He also had a pair of 6600GT's. I know it's a nitpick, but it just shows you are not always so damn right as you think you are. Everyone makes mistakes, you and I included.

 

[zendari]

So 2 6800 nu, 2 6800 GT, and 2 7800 GTX? 6 cards? If he's counting the R420 as part of the R300 core group, the G70 certainly belongs in the NV40 crowd.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: zendari
So 2 6800 nu, 2 6800 GT, and 2 7800 GTX? 6 cards? If he's counting the R420 as part of the R300 core group, the G70 certainly belongs in the NV40 crowd.

Actually Zendari I've had 3 6800NUs, 3 6800 GTs, and 2 7800GTXs. I would have had more R300 core cards than the three I had, but ATI never figured out how to make a dual card setup.
By the time theirs arrives (basically without AA at this point in time) I'll have had my rigs set up as SLI for a good long while and not much inclination to switch and be a Crossfire beta tester. (the name "ULi" leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, and for motherboards "ATI" doesn't thrill me either)

 

[ginfest]

God Rollo you have really done it this time:Q
You brought 5150Troll out of his cave at R3D, who's next Cindy aka Rogo?

:laugh: