Anandtech Super GT 300 Racing Series

[ultrap13]

Watching replay now... LAP 3 - HAIRPIN CURVE ... sorry thilan but it does looks like a ram to me, definitely not a tap, both davinci's and my celica are slowing down for the hairpin, then I get hit in the back so hard my car jumps and hits davinci's with enough force to cause him to spin.

At 5:17.418, entering the hairpin

1. davinci 65 mph, outside line
2. atlas 69 mph, inside line
3. thilan 84(!) mph, directly behind atlas

Big bump sends atlas from the inside line to the outside line and into the left rear corner of davinci causing davinci to spin right in front of atlas, costing davinci at least 10sec and atlas about 5 sec. I don't understand why you didn't wait for the straight, you would've easily pass us both with the massive drag and top end of the RX7.

Result of the rear-ending:

 

[ultrap13]

Clearly a huge rear end ram by davinci into boshutter. Davinci's doing 155 mph in the slipstream right behind boshuter going into the final chicane, totally misses breaking point and sends boshutter flying into the barriers. The bump slows davinci's car from 155mph to 120mph in a milisecond.

 

[thilanliyan]

Watching replay now... LAP 3 - HAIRPIN CURVE ... sorry thilan but it does looks like a ram to me, definitely not a tap, both davinci's and my celica are slowing down for the hairpin, then I get hit in the back so hard my car jumps and hits davinci's with enough force to cause him to spin.

At 5:17.418, entering the hairpin

1. davinci 65 mph, outside line
2. atlas 69 mph, inside line
3. thilan 84(!) mph, directly behind atlas

Big bump sends atlas from the inside line to the outside line and into the left rear corner of davinci causing davinci to spin right in front of atlas, costing davinci at least 10sec and atlas about 5 sec. I don't understand why you didn't wait for the straight, you would've easily pass us both with the massive drag and top end of the RX7.

This is the moment at impact (or at least as close as I can get to the impact moment).
My car:

Your car:

As you can see the speeds are not that different...the 15mph difference is not just before impact...I was braking pretty hard to avoid any slams. I of course did not tap you on purpose. Anyway, I got punted off on lap 1 and went back almost to last place. It happens sometimes.

 

[boshuter]

Clearly a huge rear end ram by davinci into boshutter. Davinci's doing 155 mph in the slipstream right behind boshuter going into the final chicane, totally misses breaking point and sends boshutter flying into the barriers. The bump slows davinci's car from 155mph to 120mph in a milisecond.

Yeah...... I was so disgusted by that, I just drove into the pits and watched the rest of the race. That pretty much took me out of any hope of staying with the leaders anyway. D:

 

[ultrap13]

Lap 2...thilan cutting last chicane...3 wheels off track with the 4th just about to go off track in violation of rule #4.

 

[thilanliyan]

Lap 2...thilan cutting last chicane...3 wheels off track with the 4th just about to go off track in violation of rule #4.

If I did that consistently then by all means penalize me. You're telling me you never made any mistake in the race? I brake somewhat early going into that chicane and I braked too early.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here. My fastest lap was almost 2 seconds faster than yours (and quali was even faster but I ended up in 3rd somehow) and I ran several laps in the 2:02s during the race. If I was actually slower than you overall but ended up winning then accuse me of cheating. I'm not trying to be arrogant..just my perspective.

To all others, after watching the full replay, if you feel I cheated, then DQ me...or give me whatever the penalty is.

 

[ultrap13]

If I did that consistently then by all means penalize me. You're telling me you never made any mistake in the race? I brake somewhat early going into that chicane and I braked too early.

You advanced your position due to the chicane cut. Did you give the position back? No. Same exact thing when you rammed me on lap 3? You knew you hit me and davinci...did you you give the position back? No. You were at least 3 car lengths behind me before you hit me in the hairpin. What was the chance of making a clean pass being that far behind? Zero.

To all others, after watching the full replay, if you feel I cheated, then DQ me...or give me whatever the penalty is.

I do think you deserve a penalty in this race. Nobody denies you had the quickest pace but you can't just plow through everyone because you made a silly mistake on the first lap and went off track. Find your way around cars when racing for postion. And yes that attempted pass on GTP-ride on lap 1 in the s-curves was silly, you hit him from behind and almost sent him flying too.

 

[thilanliyan]

You advanced your position due to the chicane cut. Did you give the position back? No.

If you watch the replay, you see I totally missed the 160R apex and came back onto the track (and made sure I stayed to the right off the racing line) and I DID NOT KNOW WHERE GTP_ride was so I was staying as far to the right of the track as possible, and ended up cutting the chicane. I didn't know whether GTP was beside me so I didn't want to hit him from my left side.

I do think you deserve a penalty in this race. Nobody denies you had the quickest pace but you can't just plow through everyone because you made a silly mistake on the first lap and went off track. Find your way around cars when racing for postion. And yes that attempted pass on GTP-ride on lap 1 in the s-curves was silly, you hit him from behind and almost sent him flying too.

It wasn't a "silly mistake" by me and I DID NOT hit GTP-ride from behind...watch the replay again. I was BESIDE him before any contact was made. I NEVER made steering inputs to drive towards him..I stayed to my side.

 

[ultrap13]

Video replay on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBNbmA7Ivhk

See for yourself. Pay attention to how far the Celica jumps after being hit from behind. Should thilan have given back his position after causing 2 drivers to lose 5-10 sec? I think so. Was this ramming? If not I don't know what is.

 

[thilanliyan]

Video replay on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBNbmA7Ivhk

See for yourself. Pay attention to how far the Celica jumps after being hit from behind. Should thilan have given back his position after causing 2 drivers to lose 5-10 sec? I think so. Was this ramming? If not I don't know what is.

I already posted the telemetry of the cars just before the tap from behind. The speeds were not drastically different and I was fully on my brakes.

I already admit and apologized to you that I tapped you from behind. I don't believe I "rammed" you though. Oh and just in case this comes up, on the lap where I think it was supersnake that got hit from behind from me, he went off the track and came back onto the racing line just as I was making the turn (replay will show that). And I did apologize to supersnake for that, although it was not 100% my fault.

Ugh..anyway this is getting ridiculous. ultrap if you want to see me penalized then petition the others by PM or something...I will take whatever penalty if they decide to give me one. I'm not racing because there's some million dollar grand prize or something...it's just something I enjoy doing and try to do it as fairly as possible.

 

[ultrap13]

I already posted the telemetry of the cars just before the tap from behind. The speeds were not drastically different and I was fully on my brakes.

Your "telemetry" with conspicuously missing timestamps is laughable. Your car speed is showing 58 mph and mine is showing 60 mph. Explain to me how a slower car hits a faster car from behind? Isaac Newton must be turning in his grave. And yet you hit me so hard my car jumped 30 feet and hit another car? Uhmmm.. Clearly your telemetry is post impact. I'm showing a difference of 20 mph pre-impact. The speed difference is also very evident in the video.

I already admit and apologized to you that I tapped you from behind. I don't believe I "rammed" you though.

I appreciate the fact that you admit it was your bad. Had you turned your words to action and given back the unfairly gained position I wouldn't have said a thing.

 

[ultrap13]

Oh and just in case this comes up, on the lap where I think it was supersnake that got hit from behind from me, he went off the track and came back onto the racing line just as I was making the turn (replay will show that). And I did apologize to supersnake for that, although it was not 100% my fault.

No argument there, supersnake was off track, came back on just in front of you, not your fault.

 

[thilanliyan]

Your "telemetry" with conspicuously missing timestamps is laughable.

I paused the replay, took pics from both yours any my view and posted. I'm not a forensic analyst sorry. If you look at the pics I posted, I am fully on my brakes and you are actually not fully on your brakes are are for some reason on your throttle as well...that might explain you being slightly faster than me. And then if you suddenly let go of the accelerator and actually apply full brakes (which you probably did to make the turn), that is likely why I did tap you.

I appreciate the fact that you admit it was your bad. Had you turned your words to action and given back the unfairly gained position I wouldn't have said a thing.

It's a racing incident though...I didn't ask to be put back into 2nd place after I was punted off.

PS. Nothing against you GTP_Ride, and you apologized for that too so it's all good

PPS. After posting so much, I didn't apologize to davinciload. So, sorry davinciload. I tapped Shrugging_Atlas on his corner, which caused him to run into the side of you, eventually spinning you around.

 

[ultrap13]

thilan, no offense but your last post doesn't even make sense to me. I think everything there was to be said was already said, the pictures and videos are here for all to see. I filed a protest with boshuter, he started this series and he wasn't involved in either of the incidents in question so why don't we let him be the arbiter.

 

[thilanliyan]

I filed a protest with boshuter, he started this series and he wasn't involved in either of the incidents in question so why don't we let him be the arbiter.

That is perfectly fine with me.

 

[velillen]

Velilen, have you tried a different car? Mid engined cars are a bit more difficult to control, and spin more easily.

I thought of that as i was watching the replay. I can do just fine (well for me) in practice its just actual race i seem to like to take corners to fast. I got the RX-7 from the used car lot so ill give it a shot in the next race most likely. Hopefully i can get it all tuned up I know i tried a normal RX-7 befre and just didnt like it so i stayed away from this one just cause of that.

And honestly i have enough fun being in last place so not a big deal to me

 

[ollie78]

It was all clean racing in the back if that makes you feel better All my accidents were most definitely self induced

This. I was impressed my cruising didn't jack anyone else up. Lot better running here than the other league Boshuter and I were racing. At least I have TWO points now....

 

[Imported]

It was all clean racing in the back if that makes you feel better All my accidents were most definitely self induced

I had a blast catching up to you after I had pitted for new tires.

 

[thilanliyan]

I thought of that as i was watching the replay. I can do just fine (well for me) in practice its just actual race i seem to like to take corners to fast. I got the RX-7 from the used car lot so ill give it a shot in the next race most likely. Hopefully i can get it all tuned up I know i tried a normal RX-7 befre and just didnt like it so i stayed away from this one just cause of that.

And honestly i have enough fun being in last place so not a big deal to me

PM me later if you'd like a baseline setup for the RX-7...if you end up using it. RX-7s are pretty sweet handling cars. Only bad thing is no torque from the engine, so you always have to keep the revs high.

 

[Imported]

I may have to try the RX-7 out later.. I just don't think the Imprezza can keep up, especially on any course with a fair amount of straights. Last night I was behind a RX-7 or Celica on the 2 large straights and they were just pulling ahead while I was trying to draft.

I also chew through front tires super fast.. though that may be due to my driving style.

 

[thilanliyan]

I may have to try the RX-7 out later.. I just don't think the Imprezza can keep up, especially on any course with a fair amount of straights. Last night I was behind a RX-7 or Celica on the 2 large straights and they were just pulling ahead while I was trying to draft.

I also chew through front tires super fast.. though that may be due to my driving style.

Is the GT300 Impreza 4WD? If it is that might explain the excessive front tire wear.

 

[Imported]

It is 4WD. I believe torque distribution is set 30/70 as well. Maybe I should try 10/90.

Only one race left.. maybe it'll do better at the 'Ring.

 

[velillen]

I had a blast catching up to you after I had pitted for new tires.

I was totally gonna beat you too! Of course then i took one turn to sharp and ended up in the dirt and you went past and in a panic to make up for it i took the next run way to fast and spun in circles That is pretty much how i get so far behind, i do silly things. It was nice having someone close to me though for a few laps just to keep me pushing harder instead of totally relaxing. Pretty sure you woulda had me on the last lap anyways, you were catching up each lap and by the time i went off the course you couldnt have been more than 2-3 seconds behind


and thanks Thilan ive been playing a bit but wouldnt mind if ya sent a decent baseline anyways. Most i've tried to compare with are for fully upgraded version of the car so my "tune" is probably pretty bad



And with that, and one week left to go id just like to say i hope we can keep going. i definitely do enjoy the more or less relaxed atmosphere and hope we can move right into gt500 cars or something.

 

[thilanliyan]

and thanks Thilan ive been playing a bit but wouldnt mind if ya sent a decent baseline anyways. Most i've tried to compare with are for fully upgraded version of the car so my "tune" is probably pretty bad

NP. Next time I fire up GT5 I'll PM you the settings.

 

[boshuter]

I'm glad to see the majority of us are having fun and think the racing is going well. As you can see, there has been some complaining the last couple of weeks, I'm going to go over the replays very carefully in the next few days and see just what happend. I do wish this had been done via pm instead of posting it all in this thread.

I think the single biggest issue with problems in online races is people braking late and running into the back of other cars. As much as I believe that is just a poor driving technique, it's your decision to corner the way you want. BUT, if you are behind another car coming into a corner, it is your responsiblilty to either brake early enough to avoid running into him, or use a different line into the corner. That may mean you cannont run your usual "run in, slam 'em on and broadslide through the corner style", but thats the way it is. There are usually only a couple of good places to make a clean pass on most tracks, some people think any corner is a good place to pass if they just brake later than anyone else. Be patient, be considerate, and everyone will have more fun.

I have always planned on going right into a GT500 series after we finish up with this one. We may take one week off, or have an informal run that first week. We will be running new tracks as well, not to say one or two from this series won't be on the list. I am planning on making the races a little longer; as it is, we are right on the edge of what can be run without pitting by using careful tire management. I want to get the races long enough that everyone will have to pit once, I also want them long enough that one pit stop won't work if you abuse your tires.

If anyone has any suggestions as to things you would like to see different in the GT500 series, just post up. :thumbsup: