Ah, now we try to take the high road. How old are you again? Are you even of legal age to agree to a EULA? Seriously, you made some pretty ignorant blanket statements in the OP. I can secure a Windows box and make it just as secure or more so than any Linux or Unix box. Again, how a computer/server is administrated and protected is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than the OS running on it. It's clear you've never worked in a real IT environment a day in your life.
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Ah, now we try to take the high road. How old are you again? Are you even of legal age to agree to a EULA? Seriously, you made some pretty ignorant blanket statements in the OP. I can secure a Windows box and make it just as secure or more so than any Linux or Unix box. Again, how a computer/server is administrated and protected is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than the OS running on it. It's clear you've never worked in a real IT environment a day in your life.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
If you wanted to post a rant with some serious replies with people who feel the same as you, you would have posted to the correct forum or as another poster posted slashdot.org, I would not be surprised if you do have a userid on there.
The Linuxator
Banned
All these replies but everyone is turning a blind eye towards the developers comments , thats ok.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
thanks for agreeing that there is no reason to have an argument considering this...you should go and post it on slashdot..the epitome of highly civilized discussions
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
Who cares. In every other industry, the leaders are quickly copied and near-replicas put up on the shelf beside them. I expect MS to do no less than to take the best ideas they can find and implement them into their latest product. I sure as hell do that for my own software.
Fact is, you're talking out your ass. Vista isn't slated for release for another year and a half, so to make such bold comments as you did about an OS that isn't even released yet is assinine in and of itself.
Hey, while I'm at it, I'll go ahead and say that the Federation startship USS Enterprise slated for construction in 3010 won't be able to go warp speed. Just thought I'd get that out there.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
QFT
You can copy and paste between ANYTHING on Linux. Ever use that middle clicker, or wonder what it's for? Just for grins, highlight something, and copy it. Then go to where you want it to be (heck, even text in a terminal window) and CLICK THE MIDDLE BUTTON (click the mouse wheel, dude.)
Whoa! Check it out!
The Linuxator
Banned
WTF, why you keep refering me to slahdot.org I am here , then why the F not have a discussion on it, I was planing on having my post as just a little rant @offtopic and I thought it would be apparent, nothing taking to the max level of seriousness.
But since you guys took me seriously answer me about the developers comments concerning malware and spyware does that mean I can use Windows Vista without spending $ 300 on immunizing it and the rest of my life patching it day by day for major critical security holes , if that is true than I will be one of the 1st to buy it, I $hit you not.
BrokenVisage
Lifer
lol, your name is LinuxIdiot, lol.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
Where the hell do you go to spend 300 bucks to "immunize" windows 😕 patches are a normal part of life be it security or miscellaneous updates for the software/OS.
What bout their comments concerning malware/viruses are you having problems with?
I dont see what you are sitting here bitching about? They say they have made improvements to limit these kind of things and you are bitching about it?
What bout their comments concerning malware/viruses are you having problems with?
I dont see what you are sitting here bitching about? They say they have made improvements to limit these kind of things and you are bitching about it?
Platypus
Lifer
Um does it really surprise you that they finally lifted the GUI?
Hell, some of the DOS programs in XP are from FreeBSD, didn't even bother to change the switches. BSD license allows this anyway so it's a moot point.
Point is, yes Mac OSX and even Gnome2.0 look almost exactly like Vista will from the beta screenshots.. but who cares? Is it really that big of a deal to be an elitist and make sure people know that you were "OG" when that GUI was on some obscure production release of Gnome2? I've been using a Mac skin theme for years on XP.. because I like the way it looks.
Also who the hell is arguing over gaming on Linux ... are you one of those people that thinks Linux can replace the AVERAGE user's desktop? lol.
Hell, some of the DOS programs in XP are from FreeBSD, didn't even bother to change the switches. BSD license allows this anyway so it's a moot point.
Point is, yes Mac OSX and even Gnome2.0 look almost exactly like Vista will from the beta screenshots.. but who cares? Is it really that big of a deal to be an elitist and make sure people know that you were "OG" when that GUI was on some obscure production release of Gnome2? I've been using a Mac skin theme for years on XP.. because I like the way it looks.
Also who the hell is arguing over gaming on Linux ... are you one of those people that thinks Linux can replace the AVERAGE user's desktop? lol.
Pepsi90919
Lifer
what you're talking about is the functionality of the X window system and has absolutely nothing specific to do with linux.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
I won't argue that maybe in the future it may be able to replace windows as desktops but if the phone calls I get from users is any indication I wouldnt bet on holding my breath for that to happen.. Hell half the time you say desktop and people get lost..I mean what does that say for computer users? Can you imagine that same type of person on linux I already feel sorry for anyone that has to currently troubleshoot a complex problem on windows can you imagine that same sort of problem being troubleshot on linux? Omg...
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
Thats great and all but what bout standards? Why in one application can I copy and paste using certain standards but going to another application I have to use another key/mouse combination to do the same thing? I may be wrong its been at least a year since I last worked on anything in linux though.
halik
Lifer
there are two separate and most of time inoperable clipboards - one provided by x11 (highlight-middle click) and the other one provided by your favorite WM. Thats a problem seeing as all the contextual menus copy to the WM clipboard, which doesn't necessarily work with all apps. The last version of evolution i had didn't let me do ctrl-c ctrl-v, but rather highlight and click. Try pasting that into firefox address bar when theres a url there already. When you click there, it will highlight the current url, which means you lose your clipboard....
And don't even get my started on drag on drop....
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The Linuxator
Banned
Wow, the puzzle is coming together, you do fit your name (the Linux part must be excluded), you seem the type of guy that will buy everything he notices in an add on TV, so you were trying to convince me by linking to a microsoft website that claims the following :
"Protection from malware
IT departments and individual users spend significant time and resources solving problems caused by malware as well as trying to detect and prevent problems before they happen. Windows Vista includes powerful features that can prevent, detect, and remove malware before it causes problems. The result: improved computer performance, fewer support calls, and improved security."
Ok, you need some therapy, that wasn't the 1st time microsft promises added security and other typess of BS.
I am not trying to convert not even one person. I am just sick of idiots like that LinuxIdiot dude, that is hypnotized by M$ but I tried, they don't realise how much they spy on them, how they are getting ripped off,
If I pay for WinXp and figured I need to change some hardware in my PC I have to beg a fcking representative God knows in what country, to activate my OS that I paid for that's total bull.
whats next do I have to work for M$ for food and water ?
and for those guys saying that windows can be made as secure as Unix and Linux, well jeez after spending a ton loads of money on software, and days of internal tweakings it better be safe.
Please, learn something about security before stating any statments regarding security. EVERYTHING is weak by architecture. Linux has plenty of weak architecture elements to it. For example you need to use OpenBSD (solaris as well) in order to have a system with a non-executable stack (if you even know what that is). Having an executable stack is one monster architecture flaw. Also the numerous security issues with syscalls. Oh yes, and how long has it taken to get threading in linux? Would you like me to go on? Yes, I prefer linux over windows, but it's not perfect.
LinuxIdiot
Golden Member
Sorry to dissapoint you but I dont spend my time buying everything I see in the ads on television.
You dont have to like what I posted but guess what every company makes promises that end up being incorrect or someone finds a way around what the company promised. Guess what again I must say I dont really care. As long as I can get it to work the way I want I am fine with that. The reasoning behind my username is when I first was playing around in linux I had to go to www.linuxquestions.org to ask some questions and felt like an idiot, you can see it anyway that you want.
You dont have to like what I posted but guess what every company makes promises that end up being incorrect or someone finds a way around what the company promised. Guess what again I must say I dont really care. As long as I can get it to work the way I want I am fine with that. The reasoning behind my username is when I first was playing around in linux I had to go to www.linuxquestions.org to ask some questions and felt like an idiot, you can see it anyway that you want.
The Linuxator
Banned
Nothing is perfect ,and yes you look like you know more than me when it comes to Linux, well let me tell you I haven't been using Linux all that long at all , but it just feels good to know that you are independent of the biggest monopoly in the world. diid you check the security issues in firefox , did you see how fast they where discovered and how fast they were patched a new update was out of the door just like that , so yes Linux and opensource based apps aren't perfect. But they are sure safer because it doesn't take a year for each issue too get fixed up and thats if it gets fixed.
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