kage69
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While I appreciate the sentiment behind that phrase and acknowledge it in cases like Cheney's Grand Adventure, I feel "it" just doesn't apply here.
Pirates started some shit and learned a hard lesson about American marksmanship. An example has been made and I'm ok with that. These guys are thugs with boats, not terror groups or state players. The fact that they could high-jack a tanker size vessel (or worse, one of those LNG transfers) and use it in any sort of attack warrants the pursuit of anti-piracy efforts, and not just off the coast of Somalia.
Hostage-taking, death-dealing criminals in international waters succumbing to their number one occupational hazard. That doesn't sound like patriotic fervor mixed with vengeance, it sounds more like a security and economic issue that needs to be addressed, finally!
Makes me wonder if Obama will take this event to heart and introduce some kind of substantive anti-piracy program, through the UN perhaps.
Edit: Apparently the word is a number of SEAL snipers were in position on the stern of the Navy boat while it was towing the lifeboat from the Alabama. One of the pirates held an AK up to Philip's back like he was going to shoot him and the Navy CMDR in charge gave a snap order to drop who they could see. Saw pics of the water out there, not exactly calm. Nice shooting fellas
:thumbsup:
dainthomas
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JEDIYoda
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Originally posted by: FaaR
So a Corvette Stingray with Russian plates is a Russian car then? lol!
The flag under which a ship sails is basically just a technicality; Maersk is still a Danish company, thus making it a Danish ship.
The Law of Nations does not include any rules regarding the claim of vessels to sail under certain maritime flag, but imposes the duty upon every State having a maritime flag to stipulate by its own Municipal Laws the conditions to be fulfilled by those vessels which wish to sail under its flag. In the interest of order on the open sea, a vessel not sailing under the maritime flag of a State enjoys no protection whatever, for the freedom of navigation on the open sea is freedom for such vessels only as sail under the flag of a State. But a State is absolutely independent in framing the rules concerning the claim of vessels to its flag. It can in particular authorise such vessels to sail under its flag as are the property of foreign subjects; but such foreign vessels sailing under its flag fall thereby under its jurisdiction.
But no State may allow a vessel to sail under its flag which already sails under the flag of another State. A vessel sailing under the flags of two different States, like a vessel not sailing under the flag of any State, does not enjoy any protection whatever. Nor is protection enjoyed by a vessel sailing under the flag of a State which has no maritime flag. Vessels belonging to subjects of such a State must obtain authority to sail under the flag of another State, if they wish to enjoy protection on the open sea. And any vessel, although the property of foreigners, which without authority under the flag of a State, may be captured by the men-of-war of such State, prosecuted, punished, and confiscated.
All States with a maritime flag are by the Law of Nations obliged to make private vessels sailing under their flags carry on board so-called ship's papers, which serve the purpose of identification on the open sea. But neither the number, nor the kind, of such papers is prescribed by International Law, and the Municipal Laws of the different States differ much on this subject.
Every State must register the names of all private vessels sailing under its flag, and it must make them bear their names visibly, so that every vessel may be identified from a distance. No vessel may be allowed to change her name without permission and fresh registration.
As we have seen, a merchant ship on the high seas must possess the right to fly the flag of a particular State. Before the war of 1914-18, there was some doubt as to whether a State without a sea-board could claim the right to a maritime flag. The question was raised in Switzerland several times, but on each occasion the Swiss Federal Council declined to give permission to Swiss subjects to use the national flag at sea. They were consequently compelled to use the flag of some other State. The reasons given by those who were opposed to the use of a maritime flag by inland countries were that the ships were dependent on the goodwill of other nations for the use of their ports, and that the responsibility which results from a ship's nationality can only be real if the ship belongs to a port of a State and that on her return to that State the captain, crew and passengers could be punished for any offences they may have committed at sea. However, under the Treaty of Versailles, 1919, the High Contracting Parties agreed to recognise the flag flown by the vessels of an allied or associated, Power having no sea-board which are registered at some one specified place situated in its territory, which was to serve as the port of registry of such vessels (art. 273). The Treaty of Saint-Germain, 1919 (art. 225); the Treaty of Trianon (1920) (art, 209); and the Treaty of Neuilly (1919) (art, 158) similarly grant to all the contracting Powers the privilege of recognition of their respective flags. At Barcelona the States which had participated in the Conference on Communications and Transit signed on April 20, 1921, adopted a "Declaration" which substantially incorporates the provisions contained in the Peace Treaties, by recognising the right to a flag of the vessels of States having no sea-coast which are registered at some one specified place situated in their territory; "such place shall serve as the port of registry of such vessels." The principle of the recognition of the flag of a non-maritime State has thus been accepted by a large body of Powers.
I thought it was a rather nice sentiment. I hope I die in my sleep too!
(just not tonight, or for many, many nights...)STFU, idiot.
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That's the best you can come up with, an IDIOTIC post of yours! That's it! I'm done dealing with JACKASSES!
That's the best you can come up with, an IDIOTIC post of yours! That's it! I'm done dealing with JACKASSES![/quote]
You going to kill yourself? You still owe me a dollar.
You going to kill yourself? You still owe me a dollar.[/quote]
It's up there, keep reaching and you'll get your dollar! Just make sure you wash it before you use it!
I can see your uncle named you right after he landed his money shot. But it looks like he has a Middle Eastern accent.
"Think they will mess with an American ship again???"
Yes I do. "Somali pirates vow to retaliate"
"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."
Yes I do. "Somali pirates vow to retaliate"
"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."
ericlp
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Could you really expect anything less?
Pirates have been around since the beginning of ship building. I doubt much has changed since the viking days.
The problem is how much MORE money are we going to throw at an unsolvable problem? You think trying to patrol the Mexican boarder is bad. The sea is only 1000 times bigger. I think these problems will happen many many more times. Altho this story is a feel good one the captain of the boat was not expected to live.
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