American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

[Genx87]

Bravo by everyone invovled with this operation.

:thumbsup:

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: wwswimming

Yes, in some cases, what the Somali pirates do is terrible.

In many cases, what is done to the Somali people by European nations and the US is far more terrible.

Irrelevant. Relativistic arguments about other grievances are meaningless regarding imperatives of right and wrong like hijacking ships and holding hostages for ransom. :thumbsdown:

WTF? Who hijacked Harvey's account.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

Increase the risks to them without increasing the rewards and you'll see less pirating. Being shot at by navys or boarded by commandos and shot is not going to embolden these people, I think that's a pretty safe statement. Already the attention has forced them away from their HQ, so more attention will make it still harder.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Title: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

About time that we did something right. :thumbsup: to the navy and the higher ups who allowed them to do it.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

No, they get solved by bullets, cruise missiles, tanks, and B-52's dropping daisy cutter cluster bombs.

 

[Jiggz]

It only proves negotiations have limitations and that most of the time action rather than reaction is far more effective when dealing with crisis! Now the million $$ question, "How soon will the administration get on the tube and take personal credit on such a successful raid?"

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

Increase the risks to them without increasing the rewards and you'll see less pirating. Being shot at by navys or boarded by commandos and shot is not going to embolden these people, I think that's a pretty safe statement. Already the attention has forced them away from their HQ, so more attention will make it still harder.

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

No, they get solved by bullets, cruise missiles, tanks, and B-52's dropping daisy cutter cluster bombs.

Right. Tell me, where is bin Laden again?

 

[FlashG]

flawless :thumbsup:

 

[StageLeft]

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

I said in another thread, I don't believe they value others or their own lives as much as "normal" people do and should. Still, they value them to some extent, and increasing the risk factor will give some pause they wouldn't otherwise have.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

I said in another thread, I don't believe they value others or their own lives as much as "normal" people do and should. Still, they value them to some extent, and increasing the risk factor will give some pause they wouldn't otherwise have.

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

 

[JSt0rm]

now I guess we all know what Obama will do

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Dari

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Again, why and how is that relevant to rescuing the captain and blowing away the pirates?

 

[Slew Foot]

America, FUCK YEAH!!!!!!

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Again, why and how is that relevant to rescuing the captain and blowing away the pirates?

Because we celebrate today and forget tomorrow.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

I said in another thread, I don't believe they value others or their own lives as much as "normal" people do and should. Still, they value them to some extent, and increasing the risk factor will give some pause they wouldn't otherwise have.

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Different situation and different motivations; they don't mind dying. Those who don't want to die are motivated by risk aversion. This is why I don't rob banks.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Those who don't want to die are motivated by risk aversion. This is why I don't rob banks.

Thats the only reason? we gotta keep an eye on you then lol

 

[Jiggz]

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

So you are suggesting we extend our flailing social programs to Somalia, when we can barely support our own! You can spin this topic all you want but the bottom line is, "You mess with ours, we'll only ask you once to fix it. Otherwise, we'll drop the bomb on you."

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

No, they get solved by bullets, cruise missiles, tanks, and B-52's dropping daisy cutter cluster bombs.

Right. Tell me, where is bin Laden again?
[/quote]

If we've known where UBL is at he'll be 6 FT below ground. However, we don't! So if you do let us know and again we'll send him a "Cluster" one too!

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Jiggz
So you are suggesting we extend our flailing social programs to Somalia, when we can barely support our own! You can spin this topic all you want but the bottom line is, "You mess with ours, we'll only ask you once to fix it. Otherwise, we'll drop the bomb on you."

I dont think we should but we should police their waters. nobody should be dumping toxic waste and stealing their fish AND they shouldn't be arr matey. Seems like we could kill 3 birds with 1 stone so to speak.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

I said in another thread, I don't believe they value others or their own lives as much as "normal" people do and should. Still, they value them to some extent, and increasing the risk factor will give some pause they wouldn't otherwise have.

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Different situation and different motivations; they don't mind dying. Those who don't want to die are motivated by risk aversion. This is why I don't rob banks.

Then I don't think you understand what living in a warzone for decades can do to you. Of course the Somalis don't mind dying either. You think the Taliban are motivated just by religion? No, they're strengthened by decades of fighting. In case you don't know, they had suicide attacks against the Ethiopians as well.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Jiggz

lol. You know what emboldens them? Hunger. You know what else? Poverty. I doubt they'd be afraid of new guns and bombs when they've had to deal with them for almost 20 years now.

So you are suggesting we extend our flailing social programs to Somalia, when we can barely support our own! You can spin this topic all you want but the bottom line is, "You mess with ours, we'll only ask you once to fix it. Otherwise, we'll drop the bomb on you."

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Awesome. Pirates got owned epicaly and fully. I am guessing there were guns trained on that lifeboat from hour 0 when the warship showed up and they finally ended up with a chance to turn it to a killing zone without the captain being hit.

its gonna be more difficult from here on out. You have French commandos killing and rescuing hostages and now you have US commandos doing the same. Now pirate crews are going to go out with more weapons and probably more pirates.

I don't think that strategy will work for them. It's no secret where these guys are on land, it wouldn't be a terribly difficult job to start firebombing their general area. It's not happened yet because of the various innocents in the general vicinity, though.

And you don't think others will replace them? I don't think America has learned much from 9/11. Failed states don't get fixed with guns.

No, they get solved by bullets, cruise missiles, tanks, and B-52's dropping daisy cutter cluster bombs.

Right. Tell me, where is bin Laden again?

If we've known where UBL is at he'll be 6 FT below ground. However, we don't! So if you do let us know and again we'll send him a "Cluster" one too!
[/quote]

STFU, idiot.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Again, why and how is that relevant to rescuing the captain and blowing away the pirates?

Because we celebrate today and forget tomorrow.

More irrelevance. Post again when you're back on the topic. :roll:

But you're right. Now, I have something to celebrate, today.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

Again, how is that theory working out for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Again, why and how is that relevant to rescuing the captain and blowing away the pirates?

Because we celebrate today and forget tomorrow.

More irrelevance. Post again when you're back on the topic. :roll:

But you're right. Now, I have something to celebrate, today.

I guess there are Liberal American gnats, no different from the Conservative American gnat.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Dari

I guess there are Liberal American gnats, no different from the Conservative American gnat.

And there are irrelevant jackasses who don't give a damn about staying on topic. :roll:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

I guess there are Liberal American gnats, no different from the Conservative American gnat.

And there are irrelevant jackasses who don't give a damn about staying on topic. :roll:

Well, I'm not really in a celebratory mood considering the real problem is far from resolved. But if you guys want to continue to jerk each other off without thinking about tomorrow, go ahead.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Dari

I guess there are Liberal American gnats, no different from the Conservative American gnat.

And there are irrelevant jackasses who don't give a damn about staying on topic. :roll:

Well, I'm not really in a celebratory mood considering the real problem is far from resolved. But if you guys want to continue to jerk each other off without thinking about tomorrow, go ahead.

You are right... we should have left the captain on the lifeboat.

And then paid the pirates a million for his freedom. I am sure that would have really done a lot to stop future incidents.