AMD's GPU Q3 2012 marketshare - 14% declines across the board to NVIDIA

[Jaydip]

I thought Nvidia is so Pro Active that they don't rely on third parties to do their work for them.

My EVGA 8800gts fried in a few months.My 9800 PRO,4850 AND 5850 lasted years with the same kind of overclocking abuse and neglected cleaning of inside my case.

That is my experience.

You are making a blanket statement. GPU design is engineering not some "artistic" form.Just adding more phases doesn't make a better product otherwise all cards would be ASUS Mars II.It depends on individual products.The AIB's need flashy names like solid chokes,military class components to differentiate themselves not NV/AMD.

 

[SirPauly]

I thought Nvidia is so Pro Active that they don't rely on third parties to do their work for them.

Some consumers desire more robust components from AMD and nVidia reference designs - more welcomed choice -- differentiation from the AIB's

 

[omeds]

I thought Nvidia is so Pro Active that they don't rely on third parties to do their work for them.

My EVGA 8800gts fried in a few months.My 9800 PRO,4850 AND 5850 lasted years with the same kind of overclocking abuse and neglected cleaning of inside my case.

That is my experience.

I've only had 1 GPU fail, it was a Sapphire 1950pro. I also had 2 reference 5850's that developed fan whine with a grinding sound. That is my experience.

 

[NIGELG]

I've only had 1 GPU fail, it was a Sapphire 1950pro. I also had 2 reference 5850's that developed fan whine with a grinding sound. That is my experience.

Fair enough...and we are shaped by our experiences in our buying decisions.I've been Nvidia free since 2008 and happy with all subsequent cards I've owned since then.

But if Nvidia are the only players in town I can easily go back to them because ultimately I love PC games.

 

[Final8ty]

MY sapphire 1800XT still working and was still being used by a friend a year ago who only cleaned it when it overheated due to being packed with dust.

MY Sapphire 1900xt still working.

MY 4x Sapphire 3870 still working was still being used until last year in 2 friends PCs as 2xCF sets.

My stopgap nvidia 7200 gs died 2months after i got it.

 

[Siberian]

Fair enough...and we are shaped by our experiences in our buying decisions.I've been Nvidia free since 2008 and happy with all subsequent cards I've owned since then.

But if Nvidia are the only players in town I can easily go back to them because ultimately I love PC games.

Tech companies come and go. As long as PC gaming survives

 

[Jacky60]

Which is pretty asinine, but you have a ton of AMD fanboys on this board (and the CPU board) that can't admit that AMDs woes are AMDs fault. They blame the "enemy" which is, all the people they wish were spending money with AMD that aren't.

It is sort of like the open source zealots. "Oh, hey guys, use this stuff!" "Well, I don't really want to" "Well, you're just moronic sheeple anyway!"

When people don't want your stuff, change your stuff.

They just build decent stuff (esp gpu's) and niaively thought that the media and as a result the public were objective. So yes AMD have been idiots for not spending more time and money disinforming sheeple.

 

[Jacky60]

AMD as the only company in both the CPU and GPU market (yes Intel are a bit) really should have focussed on their unique selling point and integrated CP and GPU into an unbeatable laptop product by now. I know money has been short but rationalising product range, beefing up channel marketing and forum/PC press relations should have been done better. They should also have spent more money on the driver team and developer relations. Most of this is being addressed right now but the annoying thing is I remember when Nvidia fkd 3dfx when they stumbled and even then I was conned by a dk head shop assistant into believing that TNT2 was better than my 12mb Voodoo 2 SLI arrangement. Nvidia make some great products but their real skill is in their killer business instinct.

 

[Ferzerp]

They just build decent stuff (esp gpu's) and niaively thought that the media and as a result the public were objective. So yes AMD have been idiots for not spending more time and money disinforming sheeple.

🙄

 

[railven]

They just build decent stuff (esp gpu's) and niaively thought that the media and as a result the public were objective. So yes AMD have been idiots for not spending more time and money disinforming sheeple.

Not sure if calling me a sheeple for buying AMD GPU or calling me intelligent for seeing through the marketing hooplah...

Haha.

 

[chimaxi83]

Not sure if calling me a sheeple for buying AMD GPU or calling me intelligent for seeing through the marketing hooplah...

Haha.

No, he meant AMD hasn't spent more time and money disinforming Nvidia sheeple, and bringing them over to the red camp 🙂

 

[NIGELG]

No, he meant AMD hasn't spent more time and money disinforming Nvidia sheeple, and bringing them over to the red camp 🙂

But AMD planted shills in all the forums except one!!!!!

This forum is infested with them.😛

🙄.

 

[Ferzerp]

It was more AMD IS DE BESTEST COMPANY EVAR! rhetoric that toally ignores that not enough people want to buy their stuff for them to be a healthy company.

More of the same "It's the consumer's fault" crap.

 

[railven]

No, he meant AMD hasn't spent more time and money disinforming Nvidia sheeple, and bringing them over to the red camp 🙂

nVidia has the sheeple, AMD wants the sheeple, now read my [EDIT]-other post again.

 

[exar333]

AMD as the only company in both the CPU and GPU market (yes Intel are a bit) really should have focussed on their unique selling point and integrated CP and GPU into an unbeatable laptop product by now. I know money has been short but rationalising product range, beefing up channel marketing and forum/PC press relations should have been done better. They should also have spent more money on the driver team and developer relations. Most of this is being addressed right now but the annoying thing is I remember when Nvidia fkd 3dfx when they stumbled and even then I was conned by a dk head shop assistant into believing that TNT2 was better than my 12mb Voodoo 2 SLI arrangement. Nvidia make some great products but their real skill is in their killer business instinct.

You need good management for this. AMD does not have this...AMD always held mobile as the 'red-headed stepchild' even back when they were kicking-butt with A64. It took FOREVER for the X2 mobiles to appear, and by then they were DOA and never were able to get back the marketshare. Llano is an improvement, but if they had put the gas to the floor back 10 years ago, they would be unbeatable in the mobile arena.

 

[exar333]

I've only had 1 GPU fail, it was a Sapphire 1950pro. I also had 2 reference 5850's that developed fan whine with a grinding sound. That is my experience.

This. Even with great cards like the 7950/7970, AMD reference design is lackluster. Loud, hot, and too much voltage (ghz versions). AIBs, however, then turn the actual product into something much better.

 

[MrK6]

You need good management for this. AMD does not have this...AMD always held mobile as the 'red-headed stepchild' even back when they were kicking-butt with A64. It took FOREVER for the X2 mobiles to appear, and by then they were DOA and never were able to get back the marketshare. Llano is an improvement, but if they had put the gas to the floor back 10 years ago, they would be unbeatable in the mobile arena.

Nailed it. Honestly, business schools should do a course on AMD, it's so (terribly) perfect in some respects. The number of missed shots/failed attempts they had at taking several markets due to their ineptness or negligence is staggering. A decade ago everyone in tech new where the market was heading (towards smaller/more mobile platforms), and since it's been a race of who gets there the best/smallest/first/etc.

 

[Final8ty]

You need good management for this. AMD does not have this...AMD always held mobile as the 'red-headed stepchild' even back when they were kicking-butt with A64. It took FOREVER for the X2 mobiles to appear, and by then they were DOA and never were able to get back the marketshare. Llano is an improvement, but if they had put the gas to the floor back 10 years ago, they would be unbeatable in the mobile arena.

Indeed and even before they got behind i was thinking well what next, they really sat on those Athlons.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Tech companies come and go. As long as PC gaming survives

Truthfully, I'm somewhat worried. I strongly believe that Nvidia getting the GPU monopoly can only mean bad things. Unlike with Intel CPUs, there isn't a large market for dedicated gaming GPUs, meaning Nvidia probably won't lose much sleep over bringing prices up.

 

[Rikard]

This. Even with great cards like the 7950/7970, AMD reference design is lackluster. Loud, hot, and too much voltage (ghz versions). AIBs, however, then turn the actual product into something much better.

Not my experience. Mine is quiet, cool, I am undervolting and still get a +47% OC over reference clock...

My previous six cards have all been Nvidia. One died. Seems like rather normal failure rate to me. My only AMD card is still working great. Make of that what you want.

(And Russian, there are people that switch brand when the other brand is superior. I am proof of that.)

 

[Onox]

Truthfully, I'm somewhat worried. I strongly believe that Nvidia getting the GPU monopoly can only mean bad things. Unlike with Intel CPUs, there isn't a large market for dedicated gaming GPUs, meaning Nvidia probably won't lose much sleep over bringing prices up.

I think you are right. But it's not really that the prices could go up if AMD dies that worries me, it's simply not to have alternatives. Yes, AMD has probably been mismanaged, doesn't have a good marketing, their CPUs can't match intel's except in some cases, but I've always found their graphics cards to be working quite well, and when seeing the actual offerings for both nvidia and AMD, it's scary to see AMD lose more market share. In my opinion AMD's bad reputation is unjustified.

And this might sound like trolling, but I am also a little worried about the drivers quality from nvidia... On Linux I've been having problems for a long time with the nvidia proprietary driver, which has poor 2D performance and makes my laptop crash. Using the nouveau drivers makes these problems disappear, but it has less functionality, and for some courses like computer graphics I was obliged to install the nvidia blob. And I hear that the free drivers for AMD cards are more advanced than nvidia's because they publish their hardware documentation and work more closely with the open-source drivers devs. I'll try that soon on my new desktop, which has an AMD 7870 card.

On Windows it's a bit different, my previous card was a GeForce 8800 GTX, and I had very few drivers problems in games, except that in some versions it was not possible to choose the "do not scale" option in the control panel, which could be quite annoying. However, I didn't upgrade my drivers past 260.99/266.58 due to stability issues and because people were reporting on the nvidia forums that too recent drivers were frying their GeForce 8/9 cards. I know that I may not be representative of the majority of people, but across all the cards I've owned, I encountered less problems with ATi and then AMD drivers than with the ones from nvidia

 

[Siberian]

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They just build decent stuff (esp gpu's) and niaively thought that the media and as a result the public were objective. So yes AMD have been idiots for not spending more time and money disinforming sheeple.

AMD has not been much of a leader. Always copying what others do.

 

[KentState]

Truthfully, I'm somewhat worried. I strongly believe that Nvidia getting the GPU monopoly can only mean bad things. Unlike with Intel CPUs, there isn't a large market for dedicated gaming GPUs, meaning Nvidia probably won't lose much sleep over bringing prices up.

I'm more concerned about software not pushing graphic cards anymore. It is getting easier to skip generations now and really not miss much. AMD could have had my money this round, but I've yet to come across a game I can't play so now I just wait for the next generation.

The majority of cards I have gone with have been AMD with the GTX580 breaking the streak. Hopefully they are around a bit longer.

Vodoo 2 -> TNT2 -> Geforce 3 Ti 200 -> 9800PRO -> X800XT PE -> 4890 -> GTX580

 

[Zodiark1593]

I'm more concerned about software not pushing graphic cards anymore. It is getting easier to skip generations now and really not miss much. AMD could have had my money this round, but I've yet to come across a game I can't play so now I just wait for the next generation.

The majority of cards I have gone with have been AMD with the GTX580 breaking the streak. Hopefully they are around a bit longer.

Vodoo 2 -> TNT2 -> Geforce 3 Ti 200 -> 9800PRO -> X800XT PE -> 4890 -> GTX580

Gains from both sides are lacking, to be blunt.

I await the Radeon 8970M myself, so I can be rolling a pair of those in my mobile workstation/gaming lappy when I get my budget together. Currently, I a 7970M Crossfire setup for ~$2200-$2500, while Nvidia charges roughly $400-$500 more for a pair of 680Ms, since neither Enduro nor Optimus play a role here (Muxed graphics in the case of the M18x), I'm not sure how Nvidia can charge so much more.

If the rumors are true about the Radeon 8870 being on par with the 7970, that will be a pretty reasonable jump compared to recent releases. I'm not quite sure where the 8970 sits yet, nor any of Nvidia's 7xx series for that matter. Heck, for all I know, Nvidia could roll out their fabled GK110 chip, and try to roll over the best AMD comes out with, though the GK110 ever seeing gaming use seems unlikely due to various compute-specific features.

 

[3DVagabond]

Gains from both sides are lacking, to be blunt.

I await the Radeon 8970M myself, so I can be rolling a pair of those in my mobile workstation/gaming lappy when I get my budget together. Currently, I a 7970M Crossfire setup for ~$2200-$2500, while Nvidia charges roughly $400-$500 more for a pair of 680Ms, since neither Enduro nor Optimus play a role here (Muxed graphics in the case of the M18x), I'm not sure how Nvidia can charge so much more.

If the rumors are true about the Radeon 8870 being on par with the 7970, that will be a pretty reasonable jump compared to recent releases. I'm not quite sure where the 8970 sits yet, nor any of Nvidia's 7xx series for that matter. Heck, for all I know, Nvidia could roll out their fabled GK110 chip, and try to roll over the best AMD comes out with, though the GK110 ever seeing gaming use seems unlikely due to various compute-specific features.

I've read the 8870 is ~gtx 680. So, maybe 10% slower than HD 7970. Assuming the claims are true.