AMD's GPU Q3 2012 marketshare - 14% declines across the board to NVIDIA

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NIGELG

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You know Physx=physics. And you know AMD's realistic feature? Bankruptcy. :colbert:
Bankruptcy?...lol...Bankruptcy still is more realistic than shooting a post repeatedly and seeing billions of particles flying from it....yet nothing happens to the post.
 

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As i've said previously and still agree to, Physx is still the ONLY defining feature that really gives the masses a reason to go with NV over AMD, its something many are willing to pay extra for. Nv's only problem is lately there's a lack of good titles with Physx, it used to be much more.

Borderlands 2.
So for what games people should buy AMD over nVidia to get better graphics? Sniper Elite 2? :hmm:
 

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Borderlands 2.
So for what games people should buy AMD over nVidia to get better graphics? Sniper Elite 2? :hmm:

I have used a GTX 680 since March and found PhysX a complete joke. Excessive ghost particles that have zero effect on the environment or your character. In fact in Borderlands 2 (the only game with PhysX this year so far) the AMD cards can still enable PhysX through a simple config hack. I had to turn PhysX to medium just to reduce the hideously overdone effects to a level where they didn't get in the way.

The best PhysX can do after all these years is some joke overdone effects, it is hardly a selling point worth clinging to. Not to mention that turning it on gives a massive performance hit. I would rather enable extra FSXAA and take a performance hit that at least has a tangible effect on graphics quality thanks.
 
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As i've said previously and still agree to, Physx is still the ONLY defining feature that really gives the masses a reason to go with NV over AMD, its something many are willing to pay extra for. Nv's only problem is lately there's a lack of good titles with Physx, it used to be much more.
If PhysX is the only reason we should buy NV over AMD, NV would have gone under long time ago. I mean, we are talking of one game this year, right? (...and I do not even want to play it...) No, a better reason would be performance in Linux. That is the only thing I am missing from my old NV card I just retired. But I do not expect fanboys to know anything about that, they usually care more about the name of the card than the technology behind it.
 
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If PhysX is the only reason we should buy NV over AMD, NV would have gone under long time ago. I mean, we are talking of one game this year, right? (...and I do not even want to play it...) No, a better reason would be performance in Linux. That is the only thing I am missing from my old NV card I just retired. But I do not expect fanboys to know anything about that, they usually care more about the name of the card than the technology behind it.

The masses don't give a rats about Linux. It's a niche's niche.
 
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Borderlands 2.
So for what games people should buy AMD over nVidia to get better graphics? Sniper Elite 2? :hmm:

Ppl dont buy AMD over NV to get "better graphics", they buy to get faster and/or significantly cheaper, for graphics in almost all games except for the few that has Physx.
 

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Nice troll attempt, but you fail. PhysX, as implemented in any current game, is only eye candy. Game physics, on the other hand, are NOT just eye candy.

Realistic reactions between colliding vehicles, bodies flying during an explosion, walls crumbling in unique ways, those are game physics.

Unrealistic goo crap, some swaying fabric, and fog machine-like mist, those are PhysX. Learn the difference so you can flame bait better, or just don't post :thumbsup:

For example, Hitman Absolution physics, "PhysX is responcible for rigid body physics, character controller and collision detection".

Bankruptcy?...lol...Bankruptcy still is more realistic than shooting a post repeatedly and seeing billions of particles flying from it....yet nothing happens to the post.

Seriously, I thought that consoles holding back only PC not human brains.
 
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The masses don't give a rats about Linux. It's a niche's niche.
Yes that is what I am saying. People who understand tech do care. Gamers and fanboys (from either side) do not. The ironic part is that is where the largest performance difference can be found.
 

NIGELG

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Are you some kind of dodo?

For example, Hitman Absolution physics, "PhysX is responcible for rigid body physics, character controller and collision detection".



Seriously, I thought that consoles holding back only PC not human brains.
Does Hitman Absolution use GPU physX? or just plain PhysX?

Your part about human brains escapes me.
 

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The masses don't give a rats about Linux. It's a niche's niche.

It would probably be wise for gamers to start taking up more interest in Linux (including myself). MS has clearly indicated that tablet style OS's and Xbox is their future. If the PC gaming market is to be around and still thriving in 5-7 years, gamers like us need to relinquish our reliance on MS.
 

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Lol....the market decides that ONLY one game needs GPU physX for the whole year so far.

The market decides if what nVidia is doing is useless. You made it clear that PhysX and their features are useless and unrealistic.

Nigelg said:
PhysX and other useless, unrealistic looking Nvidia features.

I disagree with you! Market seems to disagree, too!
 
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It would probably be wise for gamers to start taking up more interest in Linux (including myself). MS has clearly indicated that tablet style OS's and Xbox is their future. If the PC gaming market is to be around and still thriving in 5-7 years, gamers like us need to relinquish our reliance on MS.

While i dislike Win8 due to the layout, at its core, its still based on a unifying API with broad coverage, one thats proven to deliver amazing graphics over the years. I dont see it dying off, PC gaming, and in fact, next-gen console gaming is ultimately tied to Direct X, even more than now since upcoming consoles are all on "PC hardware".
 

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The market decides if what nVidia is doing is useless. You made it clear that PhysX and their features are useless and unrealistic.



I disagree with you! Market seems to disagree, too!

If GPU accelerated physX was so important shouldn't the games that use it sell more units for the PC than the consoles?

The truth is graphic quality and physics quality isn't a main mover of games.

In fact, gaming GPUs aren't the main mover of AMD and NVIDIA finances either.
 
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NIGELG

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The market decides if what nVidia is doing is useless. You made it clear that PhysX and their features are useless and unrealistic.



I disagree with you! Market seems to disagree, too!
If it's so great why put it in one game only this year?
 

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If it's so great why put it in one game only this year?

PlanetSide 2 and Hawken should offer support by the end of the year


PlanetSide 2 Closed Beta: PhysX Effects Preview

http://physxinfo.com/news/9951/planetside-2-closed-beta-physx-effects-preview/

Hawken Closed Beta: PhysX Effects Preview

http://physxinfo.com/news/9897/hawken-closed-beta-physx-effects-preview/

I'm not saying it is an absolute must have for all but it certainly isn't useless for all either.

The key is nVidia is pro-active in Physics and trying to innovate to me.
 

NIGELG

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PlanetSide 2 and Hawken should offer support by the end of the year


PlanetSide 2 Closed Beta: PhysX Effects Preview

http://physxinfo.com/news/9951/planetside-2-closed-beta-physx-effects-preview/

Hawken Closed Beta: PhysX Effects Preview

http://physxinfo.com/news/9897/hawken-closed-beta-physx-effects-preview/

I'm not saying it is an absolute must have for all but it certainly isn't useless for all either.

The key is nVidia is pro-active in Physics and trying to innovate to me.
OOOOHHHHHH 3 whole games out of dozens or hundreds released this year....ooooooohhhhhh!!!!!....LOL

I'm glad you enjoy it.You're a cool soldier.:cool:
 

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If GPU accelerated physX was so important shouldn't the games that use it sell more units for the PC than the consoles?

The truth is graphic quality and physics quality isn't a main mover of games.

In fact, gaming GPUs aren't the main mover of AMD and NVIDIA finances either.

Of course they are important -- nVidia has mentioned improved revenue and margins based on performance and enthusiast sectors.
 

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It would probably be wise for gamers to start taking up more interest in Linux (including myself). MS has clearly indicated that tablet style OS's and Xbox is their future. If the PC gaming market is to be around and still thriving in 5-7 years, gamers like us need to relinquish our reliance on MS.

If all my games worked in Linux (as they do in Windows) I would bite the bullet and switch...until that day (and I'm sure MS will do everything they can to avoid it), I will not switch.

Hopefully Valve can make some inroads into Linux gaming...if all games on Steam worked on a "Valve Console", I would definitely consider buying it.
 

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The key is nVidia is pro-active in Physics and trying to innovate to me.

OOOOHHHHHH 3 whole games out of dozens or hundreds released this year....ooooooohhhhhh!!!!!....LOL

I'm glad you enjoy it.You're a cool soldier.:cool:

You do know that sir pauly is one of the more partial forum goers? And you're bashing him simply because he doesn't argue in favor of AMD in this instance? And that the whole point he was making, which I quoted above, was entirely dismissed and avoided by you? Meanwhile, AMD's CEO thinks we have more than enough processing power for everything we need - http://www.techspot.com/news/48704-...n-the-planet-has-enough-processing-power.html I don't have to like Nvidia's proprietary practices and I think it hurts their ability to proliferate their tech, but the very simple fact that they are actually doing something to innovate and differentiate both their products and PC games is respectable and wanted. Otherwise, we'd have AMD still championing OpenCL, Bullet Physics (which combined have ZERO games), "just a little bit of tessellation", and "we have enough processing power already."

You tell me who the innovator is. Why do you even post?
 
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A little more information on the market shifts that occured this past quarter: http://www.techpowerup.com/176147/N...-to-Quarter-Growth-AMD-and-Intel-Dropped.html

AMD shipped 10.7% less GPU's than it's previous quarter while Nvidia shipped 28.3% MORE GPU's. I don't know if that is end user sales or simply AIB orders, though. Nvidia's mobile discrete was up 12% by itself, which is really good considering the market is down, down, down.
 
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NIGELG

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You do know that sir pauly is one of the more partial forum goers? And you're bashing him simply because he doesn't argue in favor of AMD in this instance? And that the whole point he was making, which I quoted above, was entirely dismissed and avoided by you? Meanwhile, AMD's CEO thinks we have more than enough processing power for everything we need - http://www.techspot.com/news/48704-...n-the-planet-has-enough-processing-power.html I don't have to like Nvidia's proprietary practices and I think it hurts their ability to proliferate their tech, but the very simple fact that they are actually doing something to innovate and differentiate both their products and PC games is respectable and wanted. Otherwise, we'd have AMD still championing OpenCL, Bullet Physics (which combined have ZERO games), "just a little bit of tessellation", and "we have enough processing power already."

You tell me who the innovator is. Why do you even post?
Listen,do not get involved with me and Pauly.We have a long history across two forums and we get along great.GPU PhysX looks silly

In my country ''cool soldier '' is a compliment .I suggest you kindly STFU if you don't understand.

Or go run to your refugee forum and bash me if you like.

You guys derail all AMD threads with your Nvidia praising.
 

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A little more information on the market shifts that occured this past quarter: http://www.techpowerup.com/176147/N...-to-Quarter-Growth-AMD-and-Intel-Dropped.html

AMD shipped 10.7% less GPU's than it's previous quarter while Nvidia shipped 28.3% MORE GPU's. I don't know if that is end user sales or simply AIB orders, though. Nvidia's mobile discrete was up 12% by itself, which is really good considering the market is down, down, down.

It would be units sold by nVidia. It would also include sales to AIB's and OEM manufacturers. The numbers make sense when you consider the number of SKU's they added in the 3rd quarter.

That's no excuse for AMD. They had SKU's to fill those sales for months (excluding nVidia only AIB's) and didn't do it.