AMD Trinity to launch on October 2nd

[NTMBK]

Wow you found a cherry picked benchmark where the APUs can actually make use of there additional cores. Now tell me who buys an APU and uses it to OCR 100-Page documents on regular basis. Not a realistic usage scenario. if it is for work, ditch the 6670 and get a intel quad for that price and then we have double the speed of the A10.

The cheapest quad-core SB/IB on Newegg is $180, completely out of that league. And that throws away all gaming performance. The A10 is going to be good for general purpose home computers- someone who does some gaming (but doesn't need 8xAA at 4K resolutions), but also does some work. It's a well balanced chip.

 

[AtenRa]

But if you go back in time to the Intel Prescott threads you can damn sure bet you'll see this sort of trolling and derailing from AMD fanbois!

Fortunately i was not around here that time, but i wouldn't like it back then as i don't like it now.

Ohh and i did like some Pentium 4 CPUs like the 1.6GHz (OC to 2-2.2GHz) and 2.4GHz (i still have one) that i could OC to 3.7GHz with air cooling and they where faster than any Athlon at the time.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I think we should wait a week or so,NDA is over by then.

Then you hsouln't have started this thread...sorry if people don't cheer "Trinity" as the second comming...that's life

 

[NTMBK]

Then you hsouln't have started this thread...sorry if people don't cheer "Trinity" as the second comming...that's life

He started this thread to share useful news, and then the typical threadcrapping started.

 

[inf64]

He started this thread to share useful news, and then the typical threadcrapping started.

Exactly. Also the news is significant since AMD (in their newsletter) states that FM2 socket is here to stay and that it supports "future upgrades". Kaveri is launching next year so we can rightfully expect that FM2 is Steamroller compatible(unlike some other platforms ). So whomever buys a nice Trinity chip should be able to slide in Kaveri for decent bump in both CPU and GPU performance next year.

 

[Phynaz]

When you accuse someone you better have something to back it up.

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On the other hand, you have constantly Trolled this thread

I thought you wanted this thread to only talk about Trinity. Make up your mind.

I see if I don't preach at the altar of AMD I'm a troll.

 

[NTMBK]

I see if I don't preach at the altar of AMD I'm a troll.

You rolled in with the line "What class would that be? The kindergarten class?". That right there, is why you're a troll.

 

[Phynaz]

With AMD's APUs you don't have to upgrade anything

BS, to play modern games with any interesting graphics quality you will still need a discreet card with Trinity.

How good do you think something like Borderlands 2 will play 1080 high with AA on the Trinity CPU without aid of a discreet GPU.

Here's a clue for you...Add the exact same GPU to an Intel system and a modern game will play better on the Intel system. Or is every web site that has done the comparison a paid Intel shill site?

 

[Phynaz]

You rolled in with the line "What class would that be? The kindergarten class?". That right there, is why you're a troll.

Cool, then report me.

Noticed your sig, are you a person whose ego is invested in a company that makes a chip?

Why do you guys care so much about a company that just wants your money? The only thing that matters is bang for the buck (with buck not necessarily being $$$, for example I find power consumption very important).

 

[NTMBK]

BS, to play modern games with any interesting graphics quality you will still need a discreet card with Trinity.

How good do you think something like Borderlands 2 will play 1080 high with AA on the Trinity CPU without aid of a discreet GPU.

Here's a clue for you...Add the exact same GPU to an Intel system and a modern game will play better on the Intel system. Or is every web site that has done the comparison a paid Intel shill site?

Bad example, given that Borderlands 2 has only FXAA and no proper AA. Regardless; it'll run well enough. I spent 3 years of uni playing games on a laptop, with a Radeon 3470M, and dealt with it. Most people don't need every game cranked up to high with anti-aliasing; they just want to enjoy the gaming experience. (Look at how popular the current gen consoles still are.) Most people aren't looking to drop hundreds and hundreds of pounds on a PC just to play games, and they want the best performance in the lower price bracket. That's why APUs make sense.

 

[AtenRa]

I thought you wanted this thread to only talk about Trinity. Make up your mind.

I see if I don't preach at the altar of AMD I'm a troll.

Thats your words not mine,

If you believe that a CPU is inferior to another CPU try and backup your claims by providing at least some data, just coming to threads and say that CPU sucks, Company sucks etc etc is trolling.

I do say my opinion in Intel threads but you will never see me say that Intel sucks, Pentium Sucks, Intel's iGPU sucks so they have no place in the desktop etc.

 

[NTMBK]

Noticed your sig, are you a person whose ego is invested in a company that makes a chip?

Why do you guys care so much about a company that just wants your money? The only thing that matters is bang for the buck (with buck not necessarily being $$$, for example I find power consumption very important).

Really, really no. I have the current main PC I do because it's an upgrade job, an old AM2 motherboard with the best CPU it can support installed. I didn't want to buy an entire new mobo, RAM and CPU, and have to reinstall my OS. If I was buying new for myself, I'd go with an Intel chip.

But that's different niches for you. Here's 3 PCs I've worked on over the last year.

Sister- mixture of gaming and work. Went with a Llano APU.

Girlfriend- work, and watching TV/films. Went for a Sandy Bridge in a nettop case (ZBox ID82, very nice piece of kit).

Myself- lots of gaming, but didn't want to break the bank. Upgraded old PC to a Phenom II X4, and stuck in a HD7770.

I'm a believer in the right product for the right audience. I don't make any sort of stupid idealistic fanboy decisions.

 

[ShintaiDK]

From the Adobe website:



The GPU is accelerating the GUI, not any document processing. So yes, that benchmark is CPU dependant.



In those multithreaded benchmarks, it performs roughly the same as the Llano- meaning it still outperforms the Pentium in multithreaded.

For more comparison, look at the article comparing Trinity and the i3-2100:

That is the best that the Trinity performed against the i3 in those productivity benchmarks, but on the others it still performed at roughly the same level (slightly behind instead of slightly ahead like this one). And that is the i3 which is 0.5GHz faster than the G620, and has Hyperthreading.

Face it; Pentium plus 6670 is a worse deal than the A10.

I think you confuse the 2 products Acrobat and Acrobat Reader.

You can keep try cherry pick benchmarks. But even Trinity vs Llano looks horrible. Its a sidegrade CPU wise.

And by multithreaded, you mean cherry picked multithreaded. Not to mention the Trinity chips aint relased yet. Dualcore IBs are.

 

[Phynaz]

I'm a believer in the right product for the right audience. I don't make any sort of stupid idealistic fanboy decisions.

Good, that's the way it should be.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The cheapest quad-core SB/IB on Newegg is $180, completely out of that league. And that throws away all gaming performance. The A10 is going to be good for general purpose home computers- someone who does some gaming (but doesn't need 8xAA at 4K resolutions), but also does some work. It's a well balanced chip.

Would you mind defining "just fine" in regards to gaming performance?

I asked you before...but you seem to have "overlooked" it :whiste:

 

[beginner99]

The cheapest quad-core SB/IB on Newegg is $180, completely out of that league. And that throws away all gaming performance. The A10 is going to be good for general purpose home computers- someone who does some gaming (but doesn't need 8xAA at 4K resolutions), but also does some work. It's a well balanced chip.

Doing OCR on 100 Page PDF's doesn't sound like something you do on a general purpose home computer.

of course I get that it works and the experience will be ok and that for facebook, farmville, Word and email I could not tell a difference between the 2. But it still is an absolute niche market. If you don't play games, the GPU on trinity is useless. You are better of with a pentium.

 

[NTMBK]

Would you mind defining "just fine" in regards to gaming performance?

I asked you before...but you seem to have "overlooked" it :whiste:

"Just fine" - roughly speaking, playable framerates (i.e. comparable to console framerates, 24-30) on medium settings on ~1080p on modern games.

 

[NTMBK]

Doing OCR on 100 Page PDF's doesn't sound like something you do on a general purpose home computer.

Doing a set run from Crushblow to the Krazzworks over and over doesn't sound like gaming to me, either. It's the nature of benchmarks. It's notoriously difficult to try to benchmark typical day to day use of a computer in a reproducible fashion, which is why their benchmarks are more removed from reality than gaming ones are.

 

[Lonbjerg]

"Just fine" - roughly speaking, playable framerates (i.e. comparable to console framerates, 24-30) on medium settings on ~1080p on modern games.

Well, comparing it to a 6 year old console kinda shows my point...:whiste:

 

[NTMBK]

Well, comparing it to a 6 year old console kinda shows my point...:whiste:

You mean the platform most modern games are developed for?

 

[Phynaz]

If you believe that a CPU is inferior to another CPU try and backup your claims by providing at least some data

Oh please. Anybody on this site for more than a day already knows AMD is inferior to Intel in CPU performance. Why should I post benchmarks that have been posted in practically every other thread in the CPU forum?

 

[alexruiz]

It still amazes me that some people insist that an i5/i7 will speed up everyday operation... A humble dual core with an SSD will absolutely murder a X79 CPU running on a HDD for everyday use... and before you claim that anyone with a good CPU has SSD, just look at the rigs of some of the most ardent fanboys... yes, for all their claims of "AMD is crap" they have their "uber" machines running still on HDD... or with crappy video cards

Back into topic, if the motherboards are decently priced, these will make very nice all around machines. And by being affordable, some money can be used on the all-needed SSD.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You mean the platform most legacy DX9 games are developed for?

You should do some looking around.
Even Carmack has dismissed the consoles as lead platform for delevopment.

But that (the red herring fallacy) still dosn't change that if this is "comparable" to a console in performance..it's a joke

 

[piesquared]

CPU performance is irrelevant as long as its fast enough for end users in their day to day usage scenarios. The gGPU is where the real performance comes from. The old school CPU's are the past heterogeneous computing is the future. The fanboy trolls are having a hard time coming to terms with it, but the industry is headed in that direction regardless of their FUD. That's where AMD walks all over inetl.

 

[Lonbjerg]

CPU performance is irrelevant as long as its fast enough for end users in their day to day usage scenarios. The gGPU is where the real performance comes from. The old school CPU's are the past heterogeneous computing is the future. The fanboy trolls are having a hard time coming to terms with it, but the industry is headed in that direction regardless of their FUD. That's where AMD walks all over inetl.

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