AMD Trinity to launch on October 2nd

[NostaSeronx]

A10-5800K and FX-4320 are said to be the same price. The Trinity 4C chip through GPU acceleration can be 3x to 9x faster than the Vishera 4C chip.

SPECviewperf 11.0 numbers:
Lightwave:
A10 -> 43.17 FPS
FX -> ~26 FPS

Maya:
A10 -> 34.94 FPS
FX -> ~10 FPS

TCVIS:
A10 -> 13.22 FPS
FX -> ~5 FPS

A10 => A10-5800K
FX => FX-8150

^-- I'll post this here. (As I posted it everywhere)

Also, the Trinity series has a [2 Single Precision:1 Double Precision] ratio for the GPU so if you are doing DP GPGPU workloads you have the same performance as a stock, GeForce 680 or Tesla K10.

 

[AtenRa]

Get off it, you troll Intel threads constantly.

When you accuse someone you better have something to back it up.

I dont see this kind of trolling or any derailing happening in the Intel Haswell thread, but it is always manifesting in the AMD threads, i wonder why ?? :whiste:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2218060

On the other hand, you have constantly Trolled this thread,

post 28

What class would that be? The kindergarten class?

post 91

Ok, I'll say something about the topic. Trinity isn't AMD's savior, it will be just as fundamentally flawed as Derpdozer.


I'm sure it will have passable graphics for the mass market. It's CPU performance will still be crap compared to Intel. Regardless of what AMD preaches to their acolytes, CPU matters...A lot more than GPU performance matters.

Makes buying an AMD CPU a rather dumb purchase.

I havent seen this kind of wording in any of the Intel threads but its happening constantly in the AMD threads, care to explain ???

 

[beginner99]

Next time i will come to an Intel thread and post the same sentence changing the company names, lets see how you will feel then when ill Troll in an Intel thread.

You are free to do that...if you want to continue to make a fool of yourself.

Seriously I don't care [redacted] which company makes the better CPUs but I will never make it seem the inferior product is actually better. I admit i make them sound worse than they are but you guys make them sound much too good.

Vs an i3 with 2500 graphics Trinity is a win in almost every category but load power usage and single thread performance.

But really, the best way to think of Trinity is by use case.

Can the CPU handle this workload with acceptable performance?

Can you tell me your metric how you define acceptable performance for each use case?

Fact is that 90% of people buying cheapo of the shelf stuff will not use it to play games. And for anything else than gaming even a HD 2500 is overpowered. Heck I now and then still use my netbook with an z520 atom and have no problem GPU-wise even though it obviously sucks pretty badly even compared to Intel HD 2500.

Yes the gpu is nice in Trinity but it takes 50% of the die area while being mostly unused in 90% of the workloads. It's just not a very good compromise. It's good for some niche users wanting to game on a cheap laptop. But that's basically it.

Also a casual gamer that does not want to build his own PC (eg. pentium/i3 + something like a HD 7770) will in most cases just buy a console and not an AMD APU. Because the console takes even less work and is cheaper.

No profanity in the technical forums
-ViRGE

 

[AtenRa]

You are free to do that...if you want to continue to make a fool of yourself.

Nice to hear you are acknowledge the fact that what you said made a fool of yourself.

I will never make it seem the inferior product is actually better.

The AMDs iGPU is the better product as of now, whats your problem then ??

I admit i make them sound worse than they are but you guys make them sound much too good.

And this is a reason for trolling and derailing a thread ??? Intels iGPU is worst then AMDs but i havent seen this kind of trolling and derailing happening in Intels threads, :whiste:

 

[NostaSeronx]

And this is a reason for trolling and derailing a thread ??? Intels iGPU is worst then AMDs but i havent seen this kind of trolling and derailing happening in Intels threads, :whiste:

People who troll or derail in Intel threads get banned or get their posts deleted. :whiste:
AMD threads = raped, pillaged, dirty, disorder, ugly, peasents/slaves
Intel threads = virgin, untouched, pure, order, beautiful, nobles/knights

 

[Hubb1e]

You are free to do that...if you want to continue to make a fool of yourself.

Seriously I don't care [redacted] which company makes the better CPUs but I will never make it seem the inferior product is actually better. I admit i make them sound worse than they are but you guys make them sound much too good.




Can you tell me your metric how you define acceptable performance for each use case?

Fact is that 90% of people buying cheapo of the shelf stuff will not use it to play games. And for anything else than gaming even a HD 2500 is overpowered. Heck I now and then still use my netbook with an z520 atom and have no problem GPU-wise even though it obviously sucks pretty badly even compared to Intel HD 2500.

Yes the gpu is nice in Trinity but it takes 50% of the die area while being mostly unused in 90% of the workloads. It's just not a very good compromise. It's good for some niche users wanting to game on a cheap laptop. But that's basically it.

Also a casual gamer that does not want to build his own PC (eg. pentium/i3 + something like a HD 7770) will in most cases just buy a console and not an AMD APU. Because the console takes even less work and is cheaper.

More and more apps such as web browsers and adobe flash now use the GPU for acceleration. Apple has been pushing for better graphics so they can handle more graphics intensive animations on the OS level. It is not wasted die space. Besides, the A10 is competitive with the i3 on CPU tasks as well. I'm not saying Trinity is awesome. I probably won't buy one. But it certainly doesn't suck as a CPU and can hold its own even against some discrete GPUs. Sounds like a well rounded package to me.

 

[Yuriman]

More and more apps such as web browsers and adobe flash now use the GPU for acceleration. Apple has been pushing for better graphics so they can handle more graphics intensive animations on the OS level. It is not wasted die space. Besides, the A10 is competitive with the i3 on CPU tasks as well. I'm not saying Trinity is awesome. I probably won't buy one. But it certainly doesn't suck as a CPU and can hold its own even against some discrete GPUs. Sounds like a well rounded package to me.

Sounds great but not for me, I have a stack of discreet cards from around 2007 laying around that perform better than any iGPU. The A10 loses its value proposition the moment you can budget in and/or fit a discreet card. I appreciate AMD's push in that direction though, and I suppose that's why we'll have the FX-43xx's too.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Sounds great but not for me, I have a stack of discreet cards from around 2007 laying around that perform better than any iGPU. The A10 loses its value proposition the moment you can budget in and/or fit a discreet card. I appreciate AMD's push in that direction though, and I suppose that's why we'll have the FX-43xx's too.

Might I interest you in LucidLogix's Virtual d-Mode.

Marketing Bullocks:

d-Mode is provided for demanding 3D gamers to achieve uncompromised 3D performance of the discrete GPU installed in the system. In this mode, Virtu software allows user to utilize the special features of the Integrated GPU, while the display is connected to discrete GPU.

The only problem for me and the A10 is this Microsoft Patent

 

[CHADBOGA]

That said, I agree that Trinity is a great budget option to get for a casual gamer. It's exactly the chip I would pick if buying for a nephew.

Yeah Trinity is great for kiddies.

That makes you the three marketeers coming to the rescue of the King(Intel) ??

The people being rescued are those not that technically savvy, who don't yet realise that AMD has defenders akin to Religious Zealots, who spread all sorts of disinformation and distortion.

Innocent people should not be made financial sacrificial lambs, to your Unholy CPU Jihad.

And you forgot to mention that adding that same GPU to AMD's gGPU will add to the performance not replace it. Another lovely compromise that you get to pay more for with intel.

Yeah, if you love Micro Stutter.

 

[AtenRa]

The people being rescued are those not that technically savvy, who don't yet realise that AMD has defenders akin to Religious Zealots, who spread all sorts of disinformation and distortion.

Innocent people should not be made financial sacrificial lambs, to your Unholy CPU Jihad.

Ill be waiting for people (you included) to rescue those that are not technically savvy from making the mistake of getting an Intel CPU for gaming (with the iGPU) and recommend the Trinity APU

 

[SPBHM]

Ill be waiting for people (you included) to rescue those that are not technically savvy from making the mistake of getting an Intel CPU for gaming (with the iGPU) and recommend the Trinity APU

Intel IGPs are not good for gaming, no news here,
but nowadays you can buy a 6570 DDR3 for $50 or less, and it can beat/match trinity on 3dmark11, if the A10 costs 135$, you would still have $85 for a Intel CPU, and you may not find anything as good as the A10 at this price, it's true,
BUT someone trying to play games probably wouldn't be all that happy with 6570 DDR3 level of performance,
so buying something like a 7770 ($110) would make a lot of sense, and if that's the case, the APU IGP or Intel IPG becomes useless,
so you are comparing just CPU performance for most gamers....
APU is great for laptops and maybe your typical OEM "HP/Dell" PC or something, but for someone building a gaming PC... I don't think so...

 

[blastingcap]

Unless FM2 supports ECC, I'm not interested at all. Free-ish ECC was the best thing about AM3+ as the CPU could not stand on its own vs Intel and needed help via better integrated graphics, ECC, etc. I don't see that changing when Haswell comes out and uncorks a 6670-equivalent iGPU in addition to padding its CPU lead.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Weren't you the one who said games are [meaningless], and noone cares about them? Why do you get excited over a part (gpu) that only plays games?

Because now the IGP is the only thing AMD has going for them on the CPU side...kinda funny

 

[Lonbjerg]

I see the hope of the concept of the "magic" CPU that saves AMD still is fine and well..except in reality...funny.

 

[AtenRa]

Intel IGPs are not good for gaming, no news here,
but nowadays you can buy a 6570 DDR3 for $50 or less, and it can beat/match trinity on 3dmark11, if the A10 costs 135$, you would still have $85 for a Intel CPU, and you may not find anything as good as the A10 at this price, it's true,
BUT someone trying to play games probably wouldn't be all that happy with 6570 DDR3 level of performance,
so buying something like a 7770 ($110) would make a lot of sense, and if that's the case, the APU IGP or Intel IPG becomes useless,
so you are comparing just CPU performance for most gamers....
APU is great for laptops and maybe your typical OEM "HP/Dell" PC or something, but for someone building a gaming PC... I don't think so...

I consider the HD7770 inadequate for my gaming needs, that doesnt make my needs the same as anyone else. There are people that will be fine playing only with Trinity's iGPU.

 

[wlee15]

Unless FM2 supports ECC, I'm not interested at all. Free-ish ECC was the best thing about AM3+ as the CPU could not stand on its own vs Intel and needed help via better integrated graphics, ECC, etc. I don't see that changing when Haswell comes out and uncorks a 6670-equivalent iGPU in addition to padding its CPU lead.

Even if Haswell does make the 200% of Ivy Bridge claim it's not gonna be anywhere close to a HD 6670. At best it will HD 5550 levels.

 

[SPBHM]

I consider the HD7770 inadequate for my gaming needs, that doesnt make my needs the same as anyone else. There are people that will be fine playing only with Trinity's iGPU.

that's fine, but the difference from a hd7770 and 6570 DDR3 (or trinity IGP) is HUGE, I'm convinced the number of users happy with a HD7770 would be far greater than the IGP, it's the difference between playing BF3 in 1080p medium with decent framerates to playing it in 720p low, with lower framerate,
and it's a "cheap" $100 VGA, going for discrete graphics for gaming really brings huge benefits, even with a $80-$120 VGA.

(I know, it's just 3dmark, but since you used in other topics to "prove a point", why not, I think the difference for gaming is even better )

so I certainly don't see as much appeal on APUs for gaming as you do, but I agree that some would be happy with the amd IGP, as I know people which are happy with how their HD3000-4000 perform... I just don't think that the APU have a really solid advantage in price/performance perspective for gaming in most cases, simply because there are cheap graphic cards on the market, and perhaps you will even pay $20 more for the discrete solution, but the benefit for gaming will be pretty good.

again, I think it's good or great for laptops and OEM PCs,

 

[inf64]

This is what a Trinity OCed can do (no hybrid CF though).

User SUPERKAMES OCed 5800K's CPU to 4.4Ghz and iGPU to massive 1170Mhz,all on air cooling.

Results:
3dmark11 score : P2091

Looking at the post above mine it seems that 5800K with OCed GPU can come very close to 7750/55Ti discrete class(14% difference),in 3dmark 11. If you match it with hybrid CF then it will most likely come close to 5770 class.

 

[SPBHM]

^^
that's pretty good! but you are comparing OCed to stock
also 1066MHz memory (some $20 more than regular 1600 DDR3 lol, and a higher end air cooler, which are factors for low budget builds)

about dual graphics..., it's limited to Turks based cards
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7660G-HD-7670M-Dual-Graphics.81173.0.html

obviously with desktop parts it will be better, but for the price (APU + VGA) I think a single (more powerful ) VGA makes more sense,

 

[beginner99]

More and more apps such as web browsers and adobe flash now use the GPU for acceleration. Apple has been pushing for better graphics so they can handle more graphics intensive animations on the OS level. It is not wasted die space. Besides, the A10 is competitive with the i3 on CPU tasks as well. I'm not saying Trinity is awesome. I probably won't buy one. But it certainly doesn't suck as a CPU and can hold its own even against some discrete GPUs. Sounds like a well rounded package to me.

Flash only accelerates video in flash AFAIK. And that is only useful on things like atom and brazos because trinity etc CPU is fast enough for 1080p decode.
Video decode/encode IMHO does not count here anyway as fixed function hardware is superior as QuickSync has demonstrated.

Web browser can make use of it but what web pages use it beside video decode or test pages and require something more than a intel HD3000?

The problem of AMD is single-threaded performance and most stuff consumers do is single-threaded.

Price wise a pentium + lower mid-class gpu is maybe 50$ more than A10 trinity but offers much better performance. I just don't say a reason not to spend 50$ more for probably 50% better performance.

 

[inf64]

^^
that's pretty good! but you are comparing OCed to stock
also 1066MHz memory (some $20 more than regular 1600 DDR3 lol, and a higher end air cooler, which are factors for low budget builds)

about dual graphics..., it's limited to Turks based cards
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7660G-HD-7670M-Dual-Graphics.81173.0.html

obviously with desktop parts it will be better, but for the price (APU + VGA) I think a single (more powerful ) VGA makes more sense,

Price of 7750 on newegg right now is 95$. Price of 550T is around 115$. Price of CPU alone ,say pentium g620, is 63$. This CPU can't match 5800K's (stock) performance in either workloads,be it st or mt(it has inferior ISA support too). Pentium is also multi locked and has no Turbo and no SMT. Rumored price of 5800K is 131$. Boards are roughly equally priced. 5800K does not need extreme air cooling solutions in order to be OCed. If you pair it with discrete class GPU that can do hyrbid CF it gives you additional ~40-50% boost (which you won't get with CPU+discrete combination). Overall, APU is just plain better choice for majority of mainstream buyers,it's just logic.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Price of 7750 on newegg right now is 95$. Price of 550T is around 115$. Price of CPU alone ,say pentium g620, is 63$. This CPU can't match 5800K's (stock) performance in either workloads,be it st or mt(it has inferior ISA support too). Pentium is also multi locked and has no Turbo and no SMT. Rumored price of 5800K is 131$. Boards are roughly equally priced. 5800K does not need extreme air cooling solutions in order to be OCed. If you pair it with discrete class GPU that can do hyrbid CF it gives you additional ~40-50% boost (which you won't get with CPU+discrete combination). Overall, APU is just plain better choice for majority of mainstream buyers,it's just logic.

Unless you factor in CPU performance...a glorified IGP cannot save a lack-luster CPU...

 

[NTMBK]

The problem of AMD is single-threaded performance and most stuff consumers do is single-threaded.

My Chrome instance is currently running on 135 threads over 16 processes- that's with 9 tabs open. Combine that with 49 threads for Spotify, and 33 threads for Outlook. Actually take a look at Task Manager before you make silly statements- pretty much all modern software is multithreaded.

 

[inf64]

Unless you factor in CPU performance...a glorified IGP cannot save a lack-luster CPU...

What's wrong with 5800K's CPU performance exactly? It spanks that poor pentium g620 left and right. It also is very competitive to i3s in its price range (i3s are locked btw). So no, CPU is not lackluster and the buyers in the targeted segment wouldn't even notice it if it was the case(and it's not).

 

[Lonbjerg]

What's wrong with 5800K's CPU performance exactly? It spanks that poor pentium g620 left and right. It also is very competitive to i3s in its price range (i3s are locked btw). So no, CPU is not lackluster and the buyers in the targeted segment wouldn't even notice it if it was the case(and it's not).

Because the IGP is to small to be for gamers...and to overpowered to spreadsheets...it will end up just like AMD's other small CPU's:

Insignificant.