AMD Trinity to launch on October 2nd

[inf64]

Because the IGP is to small to be for gamers...and to overpowered to spreadsheets...it will end up just like AMD's other small CPU's:

Insignificant.

Insignificant? Are you serious? APUs for desktop are going to be best selling line of AMD's chips. Just wait and see .

 

[Lonbjerg]

Insignificant? Are you serious? APUs for desktop are going to be best selling line of AMD's chips. Just wait and see .

"Is going to be.." is overused in regards to AMD.

"ICP will be higher..." comes to mind...it's always "just around the corner" with AMD :whiste:

 

[AtenRa]

Insignificant? Are you serious? APUs for desktop are going to be best selling line of AMD's chips. Just wait and see .

APUs are already the best selling line of AMD

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=476&mn=242762&pt=msg&mid=11952128

 

[ShintaiDK]

APUs are already the best selling line of AMD

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=476&mn=242762&pt=msg&mid=11952128

Because they hardly sell anything else anymore. It sure aint faildozer that sells. And they stopped most of the production for the older chips.

Server segment AMD is nowhere to be found either. That leaves the misguided name APUs left.

 

[NTMBK]

Because the IGP is to small to be for gamers...and to overpowered to spreadsheets...

The APU in my sister's PC handles games just fine.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The APU in my sister's PC handles games just fine.

Define "just fine".


Running Farmville at 30 FPS isn't "fine".

 

[SPBHM]

Price of 7750 on newegg right now is 95$. Price of 550T is around 115$. Price of CPU alone ,say pentium g620, is 63$. This CPU can't match 5800K's (stock) performance in either workloads,be it st or mt(it has inferior ISA support too). Pentium is also multi locked and has no Turbo and no SMT. Rumored price of 5800K is 131$. Boards are roughly equally priced. 5800K does not need extreme air cooling solutions in order to be OCed. If you pair it with discrete class GPU that can do hyrbid CF it gives you additional ~40-50% boost (which you won't get with CPU+discrete combination). Overall, APU is just plain better choice for majority of mainstream buyers,it's just logic.

I'm sorry, but it's not that simple,
A10 = $135 (rumored price)
MB = !?
memory (8GB 1600 = 35, 8 GB 2133 = 50)

OK, now let's add the low end VGA, since you can only use turks your choices go from around $50 up until around $80 (6670 DDR5), now the memory and secondary VGA you use will have a heavy impact on the final gaming performance,

now let's try to find an option
Phenom II X4 955 $95 (or i3 for $120, or $60 pentium)
MB= $45 and higher
memory, you can get away with DDR3 1333 and save another $5
graphics: HD7770 = $100

so... if you go with better memory and dual graphics you can end up paying more for the A10 setup, and it will be slower for gaming, with more problems (from the crossfire with 2 pretty different GPUs),

so my point is, if you want to use the IGP, the APU is OK, if you need more performance, go with pure discrete graphics (and in most games even the $ 100 7770 + $50 celeron will beat the APU, but obviously outside gaming.... no chance)

and please, don't talk about inferior ISA and then "mainstream buyers"

it's funny but the worst competition at least for desktops for AMD APUs comes from their cheap graphics cards....

prices are all from newegg,

 

[Chiropteran]

If you are adding a low end video card to your A10, you are doing it wrong, so of course the price isn't going to be all that amazing.

 

[Lonbjerg]

If you are adding a low end video card to your A10, you are doing it wrong, so of course the price isn't going to be all that amazing.

Low end CPU...low end GPU...seems quite normal to me...

 

[beginner99]

My Chrome instance is currently running on 135 threads over 16 processes- that's with 9 tabs open. Combine that with 49 threads for Spotify, and 33 threads for Outlook. Actually take a look at Task Manager before you make silly statements- pretty much all modern software is multithreaded.

Anyone with common sense completely understood what I meant. Threads that actually do a lot of work. An example would be rendering a web page. That is single threaded and a reason why netbooks with atom are a bit annoying. You feel it pretty good that atom is ass slow. Your chrome can run 1 Mio threads btu the fact remains that only 1 and hence only 1 cpu core is used for the main work, namely rendering HTML.

Another example is starcraft 2. Uses 2 threads but one of them is a lot more important. that's why it sucks balls on any AMD cpu unless you never play 3v3 or 4v4. Actually it can also lag like hell AFAIK on fastest overclocked Intel cpu.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Price of 7750 on newegg right now is 95$. Price of 550T is around 115$. Price of CPU alone ,say pentium g620, is 63$. This CPU can't match 5800K's (stock) performance in either workloads,be it st or mt(it has inferior ISA support too). Pentium is also multi locked and has no Turbo and no SMT. Rumored price of 5800K is 131$. Boards are roughly equally priced. 5800K does not need extreme air cooling solutions in order to be OCed. If you pair it with discrete class GPU that can do hyrbid CF it gives you additional ~40-50% boost (which you won't get with CPU+discrete combination). Overall, APU is just plain better choice for majority of mainstream buyers,it's just logic.

All incorrect, of course. The Pentium DOES have higher single-threaded performance and will give you comparable to higher gaming framerates. As a point of comparison:

The Pentium G850 is 5% slower in gaming than the Phenom II X4 980, which is clocked stock at a whopping 3.7GHz and is based on the superior (in comparison to Bulldozer/Piledriver) K10.5/Stars architecture. Unless AMD managed to make up for the ~20-30% IPC+module design deficit with Piledriver, there's zero way an A10 will be faster than a Pentium in gaming. And since Piledriver is but a mere architectural refresh of Bulldozer, it's safe to assume that clock-for-clock, core-for-core Stars will still be 10%+ faster.

With that out of the way, let's do some quick platform comparisons:

Intel Pentium G850: $69
ASRock H77M: $70
1x4GB DDR3-1333: $18
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $242

AMD A10-5800K: $130-140 (rumored)
Hypothetical ASRock FM2 motherboard w/ USB 3.0: $70
2x2GB DDR3-1866: $25
Total: $225-235

So $7-17 more you get a decent amount higher graphics performance.

Let's see another option:

Intel Celeron G530: $45
ASRock H77M: $70
1x4GB DDR3-1333: $18
Sapphire Radeon HD 7750: $95
Total: $228

Obviously you gain GPU performance but lose CPU performance. Out of all three, the Pentium G850 + 6670 DDR5 would be the most balanced. With the A10 you get a mediocre CPU+GPU, and with the Pentium you get a mediocre CPU + decent GPU.

 

[inf64]

I used Pentium g620 for comparison,can't you read?
Oh and in the chart above, FX4100 @ 3.6Ghz/3.8Ghz has 149/155.6%. 5800K is 3.8/4.2Ghz product with ~5% higher IPC. Combined IPC+average clock advantage from stock/turbo gives 5800K a 13.5% advantage( 4Ghz/3.7Ghz x 1.05). In the chart above: 169/176.6%. Faster than Pentium G850. Sorry,but nice try.
Oh and 5800K Vs g620 is 4.2Ghz vs 2.6Ghz in ST tasks. 5800K wins. In MT tasks there is absolutely no chance that even G850 will catch it.

edit:
5800K can easily OC to ~4.5Ghz. In the link I gave user managed easy 4.4Ghz OC. Translated to numbers (with 5% IPC jump vs FX4xxx) this gives us : 4.5*1.05/3.7Ghz=1.277 or 27% higher perf. ( FX4100 has average clock of 3.7Ghz). So using above chart: 149x1.277=190 and 155.6x1.277=198%. Compare to 4Ghz 2500K which costs a lot more : 196/228%.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I used Pentium g620 for comparison,can't you read?
Oh and in the chart above, FX4100 @ 3.6Ghz/3.8Ghz has 149/155.6%. 5800K is 3.8/4.2Ghz product with ~5% higher IPC. Combined IPC+average clock advantage from stock/turbo gives 5800K as 13.5% advantage( 4Ghz/3.7Ghz x 1.05). In the chart above: 169/176.6%. Faster than Pentium G850. Sorry,but nice try.
Oh and 5800K Vs g620 is 4.2Ghz vs 2.6Ghz in ST tasks. 5800K wins. In MT tasks there is absolutely no chance that even G850 will catch it.

If you really do a lot of MT...you'd get a better CPU in the first place than these low end CPU's...lol :whiste:

 

[NTMBK]

Actually, even the current Llano APUs defeat a Pentium + 6670 in productivity benchmarks, but lose in gaming by roughly the same margin:

(Taken from http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140-12.html )

And given that Trinity has a healthy lead over Llano in both gaming:

And productivity:

I think it's pretty safe to say that Trinity is going to beat a similarly priced Pentium plus discrete card. Until Haswell comes out, Trinity has the low end of the market wrapped up.

 

[ShintaiDK]

3DMark aint productivity.....

Not to mention 99.99% of all applications and games out there is 1-2 threads.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Actually, even the current Llano APUs defeat a Pentium + 6670 in productivity benchmarks, but lose in gaming by roughly the same margin:

(Taken from http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8-3870k-radeon-hd-6670,3140-12.html )

And given that Trinity has a healthy lead over Llano in both gaming:

And productivity:

I think it's pretty safe to say that Trinity is going to beat a similarly priced Pentium plus discrete card. Until Haswell comes out, Trinity has the low end of the market wrapped up.

Again with more dishonesty. The HD 6670 DDR5 is around 25% faster than the DDR3 version.

And 3DMark is synthetic crap.

 

[Lonbjerg]

3DMark aint productivity.....

Not to mention 99.99% of all applications and games out there is 1-2 threads.

3Dmark ain't even a game...

 

[NTMBK]

3DMark aint productivity.....

Not to mention 99.99% of all applications and games out there is 1-2 threads.

Hah, good catch. My bad. Try this one on for size then: single threaded, and even the A6 Trinity beats the A8 Llano.

 

[inf64]

I think we should wait a week or so,NDA is over by then.

 

[Roland00Address]

I think we should wait a week or so,NDA is over by then.

Joins this club

 

[ShintaiDK]

Hah, good catch. My bad. Try this one on for size then: single threaded, and even the A6 Trinity beats the A8 Llano.

GPU accelerated....(Started way back in version 8)

It looks less than stellar when CPU is being used.

Not to mention the A10-5800K is the top bin, the 3850 aint.

 

[NTMBK]

GPU accelerated....(Started way back in version 8)

From the Adobe website:

Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader 8 introduces a new feature called graphical processing unit (GPU) acceleration. This features enhances page display, zooming, and panning within PDF files.

The GPU is accelerating the GUI, not any document processing. So yes, that benchmark is CPU dependant.

It looks less than stellar when CPU is being used.

snip

In those multithreaded benchmarks, it performs roughly the same as the Llano- meaning it still outperforms the Pentium in multithreaded.

For more comparison, look at the article comparing Trinity and the i3-2100:

That is the best that the Trinity performed against the i3 in those productivity benchmarks, but on the others it still performed at roughly the same level (slightly behind instead of slightly ahead like this one). And that is the i3 which is 0.5GHz faster than the G620, and has Hyperthreading.

Face it; Pentium plus 6670 is a worse deal than the A10.

 

[inf64]

They cannot face it since it's "faildozer" and it cannot possibly beat the mighty sandy bridge,even if it's lowly dual core with or without SMT. When someone fixes some preconceived picture in their head it's hard to convince them otherwise,even with hard evidence. And since it's "faildozer" ,the slowest CPU in the history of x86, it has no chance in their minds.

 

[beginner99]

For more comparison, look at the article comparing Trinity and the i3-2100:

That is the best that the Trinity performed against the i3 in those productivity benchmarks, but on the others it still performed at roughly the same level (slightly behind instead of slightly ahead like this one). And that is the i3 which is 0.5GHz faster than the G620, and has Hyperthreading.

Face it; Pentium plus 6670 is a worse deal than the A10.

Wow you found a cherry picked benchmark where the APUs can actually make use of there additional cores. Now tell me who buys an APU and uses it to OCR 100-Page documents on regular basis. Not a realistic usage scenario. if it is for work, ditch the 6670 and get a intel quad for that price and then we have double the speed of the A10.

 

[sm625]

I dont see this kind of trolling or any derailing happening in the Intel Haswell thread, but it is always manifesting in the AMD threads, i wonder why ?? :whiste:

But if you go back in time to the Intel Prescott threads you can damn sure bet you'll see this sort of trolling and derailing from AMD fanbois!