AMD Trinity to launch on October 2nd

[Phynaz]

We are talking about Trinity here, at the same price point the Intel Core i3 has better single thread performance but worst Graphics performance. Since Trinity can be OverClocked both in CPU and iGPU thus raising its overall performance it is only logical to say that Trinity is the better product, again in the same price point.

So why dont you and others acknowledge that ??

Who said anything about an i3? Have you seen Trinity's pricing?

We have been over this before. Include total system pricing and it becomes an insignificant price difference, and a large difference in CPU performance.

The price card is something JFAMD used to try to pull, until somebody posted an equivalent system. Then he would suddenly stop replying.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This

For someone on a tight budget this APU will do just fine. It does have worse ST performance but it's not a deal breaker at all since it runs everything a comparable priced Intel cpu runs. Overall is a decent effort. What's also amazing, is the Intel fanboys coming here trying to prove at all costs how bad an unreleased product is. WOW

No worse than the AMD fanbois saying how great it will be.

 

[frozentundra123456]

you did not answer as i expected.
I asked you something straightforward. Anyone knows that Atom is slow, SB is fast and BD is adequate for most enthusiasts here and that's my point. My i7 trades blows with the FX 8150 and consumes a lot more than a 3570k but i don't see anyone here saying crap about older i7. It still gives me awesome performance. Wouldn't you and most FX slayers here agree that FX is actually decent if not compared to the best Intel makes?

Isnt the whole point to campare to see which is best? That is like saying a Prius is fast if everyone else is riding a bicycle.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Actually it looks to be closer to 5%. It still seems silly to risk it over future upgrades when 8gb kits can often be found for $30.


(click to link behardware)

Edit: I would also think the lack of L3 cache on the g850 would hurt even more.

Actually, it doesn't. Is it a personal thing of yours to cherry pick benchmarks which suit your argument and dismiss all those that don't? GTA IV is a different scenario from all the games Anandtech reviewed, where the difference was under 1% in gaming.

Like I said before, 1-2% difference on average. And the "lack" of cache wouldn't hurt the G850 because there's also benchmarks proving Sandy Bridge isn't very L3 cache dependant, not to mention 3MB of L3 cache is 1.5MB/core, like it is for the 2500K. L3 cache is shared, but what they have is more than sufficient.

Here's a link, try to not pick and choose benchmarks:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html#sect0

The difference on avg. between 2MB L3 and 3MB L3 is around 1%, taking into account the frequency differences and scaling.

 

[Schmide]

Actually, it doesn't. Is it a personal thing of yours to cherry pick benchmarks which suit your argument and dismiss all those that don't? GTA IV is a different scenario from all the games Anandtech reviewed, where the difference was under 1% in gaming.

Like I said before, 1-2% difference on average. And the "lack" of cache wouldn't hurt the G850 because there's also benchmarks proving Sandy Bridge isn't very L3 cache dependant, not to mention 3MB of L3 cache is 1.5MB/core, like it is for the 2500K. L3 cache is shared, but what they have is more than sufficient.

Here's a link, try to not pick and choose benchmarks:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html#sect0

The difference on avg. between 2MB L3 and 3MB L3 is around 1%.

It was the one article I could find on it??? If you look at the other benchmarks they are much more dramatic!!!. You're going from 20gb's to 10gb's and you think that's not going to have an effect. Shens.

I asked for a link. You couldn't produce one, then when I find one you call cherry pick. I call troll.

Edit: PS you can't cherry pick the one thing you can find. That's called just pick.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Really, really no. I have the current main PC I do because it's an upgrade job, an old AM2 motherboard with the best CPU it can support installed. I didn't want to buy an entire new mobo, RAM and CPU, and have to reinstall my OS. If I was buying new for myself, I'd go with an Intel chip.

But that's different niches for you. Here's 3 PCs I've worked on over the last year.

Sister- mixture of gaming and work. Went with a Llano APU.

Girlfriend- work, and watching TV/films. Went for a Sandy Bridge in a nettop case (ZBox ID82, very nice piece of kit).

Myself- lots of gaming, but didn't want to break the bank. Upgraded old PC to a Phenom II X4, and stuck in a HD7770.

I'm a believer in the right product for the right audience. I don't make any sort of stupid idealistic fanboy decisions.

If APUs are so great for gaming, why arent you using one?? APUs may be OK in a laptop which you cant easily upgrade and are power limited. On the desktop, just too easy to add a discrete card and get much better performance.

 

[Schmide]

I found another one.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/sandy_bridge_e_memory_performance_guide,8.html

It shows lesser penalties. However they are only showing ddr3 2133 which is 60% faster than ddr3 1333.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Now, now hear me out the 6570 can be placed in Crossfire with that iGPU in the A10 and A8. Unlike the G850 and G530, you can do AVX and FMA3/4 on Trinity.

Now if you are getting a 680 or 7970 your GPUs can benefit from the IOMMU device in the Integrated Northbridge. But Seronx, wouldn't that disable the iGPU? Well no, if you have LucidLogix MVP on your A85X board you can still use the iGPU!

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

It was the one article I could find on it??? If you look at the other benchmarks they are much more dramatic!!!. You're going from 20gb's to 10gb's and you think that's not going to have an effect. Shens.

I asked for a link. You couldn't produce one, then when I find one you call cherry pick. I call troll.

Edit: PS you can't cherry pick the one thing you can find. That's called just pick.

Yeah, except synthetic/canned benchmarks like AIDA don't count. There's a difference between a theoretical and a practical/real-world difference. If you were to follow AIDA, then you'd be led to believe going to dual-channel gives you 2x more performance.

I already gave you links supporting my statements about the memory bandwidth and cache.

 

[Yuriman]

As Axel said, a doubling of memory read and write speeds can equate to anywhere between a 0% and a 100% improvement in performance, depending on the CPU and the software. On SB/IB, it's closer to 0% for games (and most applications for that matter). Things like compression may show fair improvements up to a point.

 

[Schmide]

I personally think you're glossing over things.

Here is a few benches that show a ~10% difference going from 1333 to 2133. Here

In their conclusion.

As we can see, gamers should really take memory speed into consideration. Of course, the situation is different in different games, but all in all one 266-MHz increment increase in the memory frequency produces about 2% gain in fps rate in nominal mode and about 3-4% in a system with an overclocked processor. Therefore, choosing the right memory for a gaming computer should be taken seriously enough. Slow DDR3 SDRAM modules may turn into a system bottleneck that will prevent the processor and graphics card from unveiling their true potential. Especially, since there are some games (in our case it is F1 2010), where you can gain a fps or two by simply playing around with memory timings. Not to mention a significant performance boost resulting from the increase in the memory frequency.

And you're claiming there is less difference going from 16gb/s to 10gb/s?

All this is stupid. Get the dual channel ram for either system. You'll see even less benefit holding off for 8gb vs 4gb.

 

[NostaSeronx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcA9W1xb0Cs
^-- a comparison preview

 

[AtenRa]

Intel Pentium G850: $69
ASRock H77M: $70
1x4GB DDR3-1333: $18
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670 DDR5: $85
Total: $242

AMD A10-5800K: $130-140 (rumored)
Hypothetical ASRock FM2 motherboard w/ USB 3.0: $70
2x2GB DDR3-1866: $25
Total: $225-235

So $7-17 more you get a decent amount higher graphics performance.

Let's see another option:

Intel Celeron G530: $45
ASRock H77M: $70
1x4GB DDR3-1333: $18
Sapphire Radeon HD 7750: $95
Total: $228

Obviously you gain GPU performance but lose CPU performance. Out of all three, the Pentium G850 + 6670 DDR5 would be the most balanced. With the A10 you get a mediocre CPU+GPU, and with the Pentium you get a mediocre CPU + decent GPU.

AMD A6-3670K with DIRT coupon : $89,99
BIOSTAR A75MG FM1 AMD A75 USB3 : $59,99 or $44,99 AR
G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR-3 1333MHz : $19,99
SAPPHIRE Ultimate Radeon HD 6670 1GB GDDR-5 : $84,99 or 69,99 AR

254,96 or 224,96 AR

For $12,96(254,96) more over your G850 setup the Llano 3670K is a Quad core unlocked CPU that can be OCed to 3.5GHz or more making it superior over the Pentium. Plus you CF the HD6670 to have even more graphics performance than the single HD6670 your Pentium has.

The final conclusion will be that with the Llano you get far better Multithread CPU performance (Better single thread when OCed) and far superior graphics performance through the CrossFire of the HD6670 with the iGPU.

Now im expecting people to say that Pentium G850 has no plaice in the desktop and or Gaming and defend poor not technically savvy users for making the mistake and get a lesser product like the Pentium G850 over a Llano/Trinity setup.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Why would anyone go CF with these slow solutions? Especially at those low fps microstuttering will make proper gaming a pain. Trinity should stand on its own, that is its spot. Pushing AFR to the mainstream is a bad bad idea in my opinion.

 

[Yuriman]

Can't argue with that system, it's a solid performer for the price. The only criticism I can give is that if you can afford anything higher than the 6670, the Intel route starts to have merit. For under $250 AMD can sell you a solid mobo+cpu+vid+ram. For $300 you'll want an i3 paired with a 7750.

 

[Yuriman]

Why would anyone go CF with these slow solutions? Especially at those low fps microstuttering will make proper gaming a pain. Trinity should stand on its own, that is its spot. Pushing AFR to the mainstream is a bad bad idea in my opinion.

TBH at settings where you'd get 30-40fps before, you can probably get close to 60 with hybrid crossfire and your stuttering mostly goes away. It's only when you try to raise your graphical settings and bring the crossfire setup into the 30's that microstuttering (to me) starts to get distracting.

 

[boxleitnerb]

For you, maybe. I've seen lots of user reports and reviews mentioning that CF can be stuttery even above 60fps. Add to that the need to keep profiles updated, wait for profiles, resolve graphic glitch issues etc.
CF and SLI have no place in the low end segment in my opinion. They belong to the highend market and should be used by experienced users only who know what they're getting into.

 

[Schmide]

^ recent reports???

 

[AtenRa]

Hmmmm, it seams that we will have TWO CPUs occupying the same FM2 socket next year, Kaveri APUs and could the second be the StreamRoller ???

 

[NostaSeronx]

Hmmmm, it seams that we will have TWO CPUs occupying the same FM2 socket next year, Kaveri APUs and could the second be the StreamRoller ???

2 cents: Trinity 2.0 and Kaveri.

 

[AtenRa]

2 cents: Trinity 2.0 and Kaveri.

Trinity 2.0 ?? I havent seen anything about that, do you have any info ??

 

[NostaSeronx]

Trinity 2.0?? I havent seen anything about that, do you have any info??

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/08/06/amd-to-update-trinity-to-trinity-2-0/

Kaveri was delayed from Q1 2013 to Q3 2013, production wise.
Trinity 2.0 is the stop-gap processor.

Specifically, Kaveri went from a 28-nm GlobalFoundries specific process to a 28-nm Common Platform process which would allow it to be made in other foundries that have that process.

My 2 cents:
Qualcomm and AMD will be producing their APUs/SoCs on Samsung's & GlobalFoundries' 28-nm LPH.

 

[AtenRa]

Nhaa i dont thing so, i believe AMD will keep the Trinity for at least 12 months and then they will introduce the 28nm Kaveri.

End of H1 2013 they will launch Kaveri for Laptops and then Q3 2013 for Desktop like Trinity.

will have to wait and see

 

[SPBHM]

AMD A6-3670K with DIRT coupon : $89,99
BIOSTAR A75MG FM1 AMD A75 USB3 : $59,99 or $44,99 AR
G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR-3 1333MHz : $19,99
SAPPHIRE Ultimate Radeon HD 6670 1GB GDDR-5 : $84,99 or 69,99 AR

254,96 or 224,96 AR

For $12,96(254,96) more over your G850 setup the Llano 3670K is a Quad core unlocked CPU that can be OCed to 3.5GHz or more making it superior over the Pentium. Plus you CF the HD6670 to have even more graphics performance than the single HD6670 your Pentium has.

The final conclusion will be that with the Llano you get far better Multithread CPU performance (Better single thread when OCed) and far superior graphics performance through the CrossFire of the HD6670 with the iGPU.

Now im expecting people to say that Pentium G850 has no plaice in the desktop and or Gaming and defend poor not technically savvy users for making the mistake and get a lesser product like the Pentium G850 over a Llano/Trinity setup.

6670 DDR5 is not a great choice for gaming, the $100 7770 is a lot faster, better try to save money in something else, if you are gaming,
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3870k_7.html#sect0
that's with a 6770, now add a 7770, and it will improve, also his suggestion could use a cheaper MB,

also I'm not sure about the CF using the 320sps version of llano, it should be even more problematic, is much slower than the 6670 DDR5, I think you should defend the not technically savvy users from the possible issues of dual graphics with that configuration compared to a single card...

 

[NTMBK]

If APUs are so great for gaming, why arent you using one?? APUs may be OK in a laptop which you cant easily upgrade and are power limited. On the desktop, just too easy to add a discrete card and get much better performance.

Did you even read my post? My rig is an upgraded old AM2 system, because I wanted to get the most out of my old hardware. AM2 doesn't do APUs.