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AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

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wahdangun

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That doesn’t sound like a great idea. Very small market for an expensive product. I suspect the few enthusiasts that would even consider this would ultimately choose a discrete GPU with dedicated memory instead.
But it will be miner proof, with overpriced GPU, and lack of availability, building cpu with strong gpu can be good for PC gamer.
 
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There is interesting (and optimistic) development in this field. I believe this is what is needed for 4K Netflix to work:
>Please note that HDCP 1.4/2.2 are supported for the purposes of streaming 4K+HDR content. AMD intends to have a production PlayReady 3-capable graphics driver in early Q2.
(link)
And the other very interesting/good news is- some Raven Ridge users are finding that with 2400G/2200G processors their motherboard HDMI 1.4 port turns into 2.0 (4K 60Hz 4:4:4)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7xd636/raven_ridge_hdmi_20_test_request/
Strange, Tom's Hardware says Q3. I'm hoping that someone digs into this a little bit sooner or that AMD shows a real proof-of-concept. Let's not forget that in 2016 AMD said that PlayReady 3.0 support would be enabled for Polaris in a driver update - a driver update that never materialized. As I posted earlier, this APU seems like the perfect HTPC and budget gaming/emulation setup, but that is only predicated upon proper support of high-speed HDMI 2.0 (18Gbps), full HDCP 2.2, PlayReady 3.0, and media acceleration. My nearby Microcenter has plenty of 2200G units in stock, but I'm unwilling to buy into it without proven motherboard HDMI support and driver support. As it stands, I've already got two computers with GT 1030 GPUs that can't do Netflix 4K (thanks to NVIDIA's 3GB requirement). I don't need a third.
 
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Strange, Tom's Hardware says Q3. I'm hoping that someone digs into this a little bit sooner or that AMD shows a real proof-of-concept. Let's not forget that in 2016 AMD said that PlayReady 3.0 support would be enabled for Polaris in a driver update - a driver update that never materialized. As I posted earlier, this APU seems like the perfect HTPC and budget gaming/emulation setup, but that is only predicated upon proper support of high-speed HDMI 2.0 (18Gbps), full HDCP 2.2, PlayReady 3.0, and media acceleration. My nearby Microcenter has plenty of 2200G units in stock, but I'm unwilling to buy into it without proven motherboard HDMI support and driver support. As it stands, I've already got two computers with GT 1030 GPUs that can't do Netflix 4K (thanks to NVIDIA's 3GB requirement). I don't need a third.
It would likely be best to wait until the next generation 400-series boards, to see if official support materialises. Personally, I'm waiting a year or two to see where this is heading.

The whole NV 3GB required for Netflix 4K just seems ridiculous. The chip itself is perfectly capable of 4K playback, as is the GTX1050non-TI. If nothing else, why don't they make a 4GB GT1030? (I know, I know. Likely because of the 64bit bus)
 

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It would likely be best to wait until the next generation 400-series boards, to see if official support materialises. Personally, I'm waiting a year or two to see where this is heading.
I don't really want to wait that long. By 2020 we'll have a whole new set of problems like HDMI 2.1 compatibility and DDR5 shortages. LOL I joke, but it would just be nice if AMD could just publically and directly address this topic and put forth a demonstration of its functionality. Maybe even list compatible motherboards on their website. Marketing slides are great, but I'm not getting burned again.
The whole NV 3GB required for Netflix 4K just seems ridiculous. The chip itself is perfectly capable of 4K playback, as is the GTX1050non-TI.
No doubt. My i5-7200U laptop can do Netflix 4K with 0GB dedicated VRAM (I realize it's shared system RAM, but the point is that dGPUs can also share system RAM). It's very clearly an artificial limitation imposed by NVIDIA. I mean it's possible that there's some conflict between their GPU design and the PlayReady hardware DRM requirements that requires 3GB to work properly on Pascal. What I can say with absolute certainty is that the GT 1030 has no problem playing back UHD Blu-ray backups with HDR at bit rates far beyond Netflix, so it's not an issue with performance. I suspect they don't want it to cut into their Shield sales (which has 3GB... hmm). The Shield is NVIDIA's official push for the living room and if tossing a $70 GT 1030 into any old POS could suddenly transform it into a perfect HTPC machine, no one would buy the Shield.
There exist 4GB versions of the GT 730, so no, 64-bit bus width isn't a problem.
Definitely not a bus-related problem. They needed something to undercut the $79 RX 550, but as I hypothesize above, they couldn't risk making it too good either. I can only guess that if AMD had followed through with PlayReady drivers for Polaris RX 550 for $79, NVIDIA would have followed suit with the GT 1030.
 

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Update on the VP9 hardware decoding: Currently VP9 decoding IS working fully in Edge, while Chrome still has some significant issues in playback.
It is likely that either the decoder or the driver still needs some patching before the decoding through DXVA2 / D3D11VA works properly.
 

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But it will be miner proof, with overpriced GPU, and lack of availability, building cpu with strong gpu can be good for PC gamer.
Why would AMD want to discourage people from buying their GPUs?

Again, it makes little financial sense for AMD to combine a high end CPU with a high end GPU in a monster APU. The market for that is miniscule.
 

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The whole NV 3GB required for Netflix 4K just seems ridiculous. The chip itself is perfectly capable of 4K playback, as is the GTX1050non-TI. If nothing else, why don't they make a 4GB GT1030? (I know, I know. Likely because of the 64bit bus)
Yeah... why DONT they do that? There are 4GB DDR3 GT 730 cards with a 64-bit bus by Zotac.
 

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Why would AMD want to discourage people from buying their GPUs?

Again, it makes little financial sense for AMD to combine a high end CPU with a high end GPU in a monster APU. The market for that is miniscule.
Im pretty sure the market explosion of NUCs with Kaby Lage-G Chips will show otherwise.

4C/8T APU, with 1792 GCN5 cores, and 4 GB of HBM2 and 65-95W TDP will get TONS of traction. APU would consume everything up to GP107/GV107/Polaris 12, and to some degree Polaris 10 GPU market share. If properly designed, with heavy emphasize of front end(64 ROPs) it may even in performance cut into GTX 1060 3 GB levels.

I can assure you - insane amount of people would be interested in this chip.

P.S. If Full Raven Ridge is 2400G Ryzen 5, we still have room for bigger, more powerful APU in 2600G R5, and 2700G R7. Price target (199$ for 2600G and 299$ for 2700G) is also quite interesting from this perspective.
 

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Im pretty sure the market explosion of NUCs with Kaby Lage-G Chips will show otherwise.

4C/8T APU, with 1792 GCN5 cores, and 4 GB of HBM2 and 65-95W TDP will get TONS of traction. APU would consume everything up to GP107/GV107/Polaris 12, and to some degree Polaris 10 GPU market share. If properly designed, with heavy emphasize of front end(64 ROPs) it may even in performance cut into GTX 1060 3 GB levels.

I can assure you - insane amount of people would be interested in this chip.

P.S. If Full Raven Ridge is 2400G Ryzen 5, we still have room for bigger, more powerful APU in 2600G R5, and 2700G R7. Price target (199$ for 2600G and 299$ for 2700G) is also quite interesting from this perspective.
I thought KL-G was going to be too expensive for anything other than a niche product?

I think someone posted that AMD indicated that R5-2400G was the top end and there'd be no higher parts?
 
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I thought KL-G was going to be too expensive for anything other than a niche product?

I think someone posted that AMD indicated that R5-2400G was the top end and there'd be no higher parts?
I think the point was that there wasn't going to be an R7 apu. I think AMD wants to prevent some of the core count confusion that Intel has with their model numbers. AMD has the 1500 and 1500x as 4 core counterparts on the R5 series. So maybe a higher clocked or higher power version as a 2500G might be possible still.
 

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I think the point was that there wasn't going to be an R7 apu. I think AMD wants to prevent some of the core count confusion that Intel has with their model numbers. AMD has the 1500 and 1500x as 4 core counterparts on the R5 series. So maybe a higher clocked or higher power version as a 2500G might be possible still.
R5-1500 seems to be MIA?
 

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Don't see any 4gb 1030 or 1050 cards.
4GB GT 1030 doesn't exist because there isn't any 16Gb GDDR5 ICs available (which are needed as the card has 64-bit memory interface).

The lack of 4GB GTX 1050 is probably due to the segmentation (Ti).

Currently the APUs are limited to 2GB as well, however that should change in the near future.
 

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i heared people are able to overclock 2400mhz memory to even over 3ghz, with some samsung sourced kits atleast. anyone got a few words on that regarding am4 or where can i get more spesific info?
 

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i heared people are able to overclock 2400mhz memory to even over 3ghz, with some samsung sourced kits atleast. anyone got a few words on that regarding am4 or where can i get more spesific info?
Most Samsung and Hynix based ICs (which represent the majority in 8GB modules) will do 3000MHz+.
Micron ICs are more a hit or miss.
 

kallisX

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is it indicated in the product code/label?
so if it doesnt work it will usually be unstable as you go up, or chance of frying the memory, but not the memory controller right?
 

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R5-1500 seems to be MIA?
No that's on me. Just a terrible memory for a product I never spent much time looking into. I knew there were 2 4c R5's. My memory had that as the 1500 and 1500x, thinking of the 1400 as an R3. But they went 1400 and 1500x for R5.
 

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Im pretty sure the market explosion of NUCs with Kaby Lage-G Chips will show otherwise.

4C/8T APU, with 1792 GCN5 cores, and 4 GB of HBM2 and 65-95W TDP will get TONS of traction. APU would consume everything up to GP107/GV107/Polaris 12, and to some degree Polaris 10 GPU market share. If properly designed, with heavy emphasize of front end(64 ROPs) it may even in performance cut into GTX 1060 3 GB levels.

I can assure you - insane amount of people would be interested in this chip.

P.S. If Full Raven Ridge is 2400G Ryzen 5, we still have room for bigger, more powerful APU in 2600G R5, and 2700G R7. Price target (199$ for 2600G and 299$ for 2700G) is also quite interesting from this perspective.
Leaving cost concerns aside, sony would even let amd to release a console killer apu like that?
 

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Leaving cost concerns aside, sony would even let amd to release a console killer apu like that?
That might be the biggest reason holding back such products. Secret agreements with the gamebox makers, especially as they help finance R&D.
 

Glo.

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Leaving cost concerns aside, sony would even let amd to release a console killer apu like that?
Did Sony stopped Microsoft release PS4 Pro console killer APU in Xbox One X Console?

Did Sony and Microsoft stopped Intel from designing Console killer chip?

Its one of strangest concerns I have ever read on any technological forum, to be honest...
 

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