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Dusted off my spare rig (R5 3600/Crosshair VI Hero) today and switched some stuff around. Swapped coolers and dropped in my 5700 to do some testing.

Think I finally figures out how to get PBO working thru the uEFI only.

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Using the D.O.C.P profile for my ram to get it's stated spec of 3733MHz C17. I haven't had much luck getting it tweaked so far, but at least it's running at spec. Not sure why D.O.C.P. drops the Bus to 99.8 MHz?
 
DooKey said:
Go into BIOS and manually set DDR4 voltage to 1.35 then reboot. After it comes back up manually set to appropriate 3200 and timings. Reboot.
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With the old kit (HyperX 2x4GB) that works at 3200, I went to BIOS and rest to XMP off, cleared CMOS manually, uninstalled that kit and installed the G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB. BIOS screen came up, went in, it was at 2133. I went ahead and booted, Windows runs fine, RAM is at 2133 per CPU-Z etc.

Went back on restart into BIOS and increased to 2400 and ensured I manually set voltage to 1.35V. Would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3000, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3200, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, set back to 2133, and booted fine. Shut down, uninstalled this G.skill kit, installed the HyperX kit, boots right away, set XMP 3200, done.

Two issues come to mind:

- I'm very unlucky.
- Perhaps a 3600 + 5700 + RGB 16GB RAM is too much power draw from my 450W PSU. My HyperX kit, though, actually stress tests just fine. But G.skill won't even boot outside of 2133.
 
amrnuke said:
With the old kit (HyperX 2x4GB) that works at 3200, I went to BIOS and rest to XMP off, cleared CMOS manually, uninstalled that kit and installed the G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB. BIOS screen came up, went in, it was at 2133. I went ahead and booted, Windows runs fine, RAM is at 2133 per CPU-Z etc.

Went back on restart into BIOS and increased to 2400 and ensured I manually set voltage to 1.35V. Would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3000, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3200, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, set back to 2133, and booted fine. Shut down, uninstalled this G.skill kit, installed the HyperX kit, boots right away, set XMP 3200, done.

Two issues come to mind:

- I'm very unlucky.
- Perhaps a 3600 + 5700 + RGB 16GB RAM is too much power draw from my 450W PSU. My HyperX kit, though, actually stress tests just fine. But G.skill won't even boot outside of 2133.
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The RAM is not going to cause a no boot issue if it is your PSU. You would probably see random reboots if it was the PSU. Too bad there is not someone else that can test your RAM and confirm the RAM is indeed fine.
 
amrnuke said:
With the old kit (HyperX 2x4GB) that works at 3200, I went to BIOS and rest to XMP off, cleared CMOS manually, uninstalled that kit and installed the G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB. BIOS screen came up, went in, it was at 2133. I went ahead and booted, Windows runs fine, RAM is at 2133 per CPU-Z etc.

Went back on restart into BIOS and increased to 2400 and ensured I manually set voltage to 1.35V. Would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3000, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3200, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, set back to 2133, and booted fine. Shut down, uninstalled this G.skill kit, installed the HyperX kit, boots right away, set XMP 3200, done.

Two issues come to mind:

- I'm very unlucky.
- Perhaps a 3600 + 5700 + RGB 16GB RAM is too much power draw from my 450W PSU. My HyperX kit, though, actually stress tests just fine. But G.skill won't even boot outside of 2133.
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Set the RAM to 1.35v before you increase the frequency.
 
amrnuke said:
With the old kit (HyperX 2x4GB) that works at 3200, I went to BIOS and rest to XMP off, cleared CMOS manually, uninstalled that kit and installed the G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8GB. BIOS screen came up, went in, it was at 2133. I went ahead and booted, Windows runs fine, RAM is at 2133 per CPU-Z etc.

Went back on restart into BIOS and increased to 2400 and ensured I manually set voltage to 1.35V. Would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3000, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, tried 3200, would not boot even to BIOS. Reset CMOS, set back to 2133, and booted fine. Shut down, uninstalled this G.skill kit, installed the HyperX kit, boots right away, set XMP 3200, done.

Two issues come to mind:

- I'm very unlucky.
- Perhaps a 3600 + 5700 + RGB 16GB RAM is too much power draw from my 450W PSU. My HyperX kit, though, actually stress tests just fine. But G.skill won't even boot outside of 2133.
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I think it's a bios issue with your ram. Who uses a 450w power supply with a 5700? You need to upgrade your power supply.
 
Hans Gruber said:
I think it's a bios issue with your ram. Who uses a 450w power supply with a 5700? You need to upgrade your power supply.
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The 5700 peak power draw in Furmark is 183W, peak 3600 power draw is 132W, and every power supply calculator I used even with full 100% utilization stated at most I believe 390W under peak utilization, with a recommendation for at most a 440W PSU, though a couple calculated recommendation of 400W.

Based on that, I thought I did my due diligence. However, I'm open to listening to your thoughts behind why I need more wattage.
 
Kenmitch said:
Dusted off my spare rig (R5 3600/Crosshair VI Hero) today and switched some stuff around. Swapped coolers and dropped in my 5700 to do some testing.

Think I finally figures out how to get PBO working thru the uEFI only.

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Using the D.O.C.P profile for my ram to get it's stated spec of 3733MHz C17. I haven't had much luck getting it tweaked so far, but at least it's running at spec. Not sure why D.O.C.P. drops the Bus to 99.8 MHz?
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That is a low average. 😳
 
I've been testing more with the 1usmus BIOS settings. I think they are the correct settings the BIOS should be using by default. I'm not going faster in benchmarks, but I notice more cores hitting max boost than before. I question whether the custom power plan is necessary. It looks the same as the Ryzen Balanced installed with the chipset drivers. ie processor min power =99%. Can someone else please verify?

As a side note I noticed that Asus BIOS has ECC DRAM default to Auto with Auto being ENABLED. What the heck Asus?
 
CHADBOGA said:
There is a column called "Average".

It seems you are referencing boost speed, which I wasn't talking about.
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Yep. I don't have a screenshot, but average will be much higher in the end. That was just to show the boost behavior changed for the better.
 
DooKey said:
Set the RAM to 1.35v before you increase the frequency.
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Hans Gruber said:
I think it's a bios issue with your ram. Who uses a 450w power supply with a 5700? You need to upgrade your power supply.
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Hans, spot-on. The BIOS compatibility issue came somewhere in the last 3 BIOS updates. Now the question is do I swap out the motherboard or request a refund on the RAM.

The kicker is that the RAM kit G.skill sent as a replacement is Samsung b-die, my original kit was Hynix. I'd hate to send back lottery-winning RAM. But I also am not sure I want to fork out another $60-90 on a mobo.

Edit: sub-$100 I have these decent options: ASUS TUF B450M PLUS Gaming; ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac; ASRock B450M Pro4 -- any recommendations?
 
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My patience has paid off - when I checked Sunday morning my local Microcenter had open box 3900X. Got there 20 minutes after opening to scoop it up for $425+tax. I'm not sure why would anyone return 3900x, but I'd like to thank the fella.

Two ffmpeg threads encoding blurays almost max it out. It runs at about 4GHz which is 100Mhz higher than 3700X it replaced, under the same Scythe Ninja 4 + Scythe GentleTyphoon 1450RPM fan the temps go to 72C which is not too bad for full 12 core load.

The 3700X will go into my main desktop now and 2700x will go on ebay. Yay!
 
fleshconsumed said:
... my local Microcenter had open box 3900X. .... I'm not sure why would anyone return 3900x, but I'd like to thank the fella.
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I bet it was not boosting decisively enough ... 🙂 I myself returned one such reluctant CPU. The next buyer was probably happy too to obtain unobtainium with a discount added.
 
I returned a Ryzen 5 3600 because it instantly gave rounding errors in Prime 95 at stock (no overclock). So there could be various reasons for a return.
 
Hey guys, so I know there is an NDA and all but if there are any users here that got an 3950x sample for testing, could you please let me know if its at least going to be possible to do air cooling for this CPU?
I see on the AMD website that they are recommending an 280mm AIO at the bare minimum.
This is the only issue that worries me right now as I prefer air cooling over water cooling due to water coolers leaking.
Plus I watched quite a few videos on youtube where even a dual tower air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 were barely keeping the 3900x cool at full load.
So I can only imagine that it will cool even less efficiently with more of the cores that the 3950x has.
 
NH-D15 should be good for stock 3900x operation under most circumstances. I think it can handle static clocks up to about 4.2 GHz as well.
 
Latest Asus C6H uEFI is playing crazy with my 3600. I'm not sure if she'll hold it, but I managed to make it this far with PBO. Got's to do some testing to see if she's stable and maybe drop down the PBO boost if not.

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