AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[beginner99]

Does anybody have the ASUS Prime X570-Pro ? If so... Does your video card cover up the chipset fan? I'm assuming they tested that and it's ok for it to do that or is it bad design?

You will have to monitor chipset temps. Over at reddit, one guy found this to be an issue with the x570 taichi, his gpu dumping the heat into the chipset fan leading the chipset to overheat, throttle and even crashing the PC.

 

[lopri]

Maybe you should try booting into Windows with BIOS default and essential tweaks only. (e.g. RAID) And try also booting into Safe Mode as well. If all else fails, revert back to old BIOS.

 

[Shamrock]

ASRock doesn't allow you to revert back to old bioses. Only problem I have with the company.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

Tightened up timings a bit on the 3600 CL16 Trident Z Royal B-Die kit with some better results.

 

[Shmee]

Well I got it working finally, I did a full backup and reinstalled Windows 1903 as Mark suggested.

 

[Sunaiac]

And I had to choose the Taichi as my board ...
Haha hopefully all is resolved by the time I'm ready to build.

 

[phillyman36]

So reinstalled the Amd drivers. Still getting the beep once in a while.(beep you hear when you plug a new device in) This happens under normal operation.

 

[phillyman36]

Going to switch the ports my keyboard is attached to. Keyboard lights go out for a second and come back on. If this keeps up anyone want a 1 week old 3900x lol

 

[Terzo]

A video I watched on YouTube, the guy had to let his Asrock board do that sort of thing for around 10 minutes before it posted the first time. Why it took so long? I have no idea.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-3600-upgrade-issues.2567500/#post-39871136

Thanks, I'll try and wait a bit longer. But honestly if this is the case, that's ridiculous and unacceptable. I'm pretty unhappy with amd right now.

 

[Shmee]

Maybe not AMD, but at least ASRock. Oh well up and running now. Time will tell how much more performance we get with better BIOS updates.

 

[jackstar7]

@IndyColtsFan Just to update, got the ram yesterday and got it installed and running at default (below spec). Hoping I'll have time before the end of the week to confirm it can run at the 3200 speeds without issue (though I have no desire to try higher at this point).

 

[IndyColtsFan]

@IndyColtsFan Just to update, got the ram yesterday and got it installed and running at default (below spec). Hoping I'll have time before the end of the week to confirm it can run at the 3200 speeds without issue (though I have no desire to try higher at this point).

Thanks. Yeah, I just care about running RAM at the spec - I don't envision buying anything over 3200 or perhaps 3600. I've decided to keep my 3900x and just wait a few weeks before finally deciding what to do. I can either upgrade the Ryzen 1700X system in my sig with this CPU and maybe some more RAM, or I could just get a new board and RAM and build it from the ground up (I have everything else now).

 

[Elfear]

Anyone have any luck using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator? When I try to get timings for running at 3600Mhz, it keeps spitting out CAS 14 for both Safe & Fast presets. That's for 2x8GB B-die at 1.45V but it still seems way optimistic (confirmed by not being able to boot at the suggested timing numbers).

 

[Markfw]

Anyone have any luck using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator? When I try to get timings for running at 3600Mhz, it keeps spitting out CAS 14 for both Safe & Fast presets. That's for 2x8GB B-die at 1.45V but it still seems way optimistic (confirmed by not being able to boot at the suggested timing numbers).

What motherboard and cpu do you have ? and whats the spec on the memory ? bdie 3200 cl14 should run at exactly that in a motherboard with decent bios and a 3000 series cpu.

And at 1.35, not 1.45

 

[Kenmitch]

Anyone have any luck using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator? When I try to get timings for running at 3600Mhz, it keeps spitting out CAS 14 for both Safe & Fast presets. That's for 2x8GB B-die at 1.45V but it still seems way optimistic (confirmed by not being able to boot at the suggested timing numbers).

Have you tried 3600MHz @1.45v with all the timings on auto to see if it'll boot?

No luck with the DRAM calculator for me. When I selected x570 chipset it said something like coming soon.

I found a memory tweaking guide that I used to tweak my memory.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/9.html

I'm on x570 and using the G.Skill Flare X 2x8GB B-die 3200CL14 kit.

My uefi has a try it option for memory. I just picked the 3600MHz with the tightest timings, change memory voltage to 1.45v's and booted right up without any issues. I then used the guide to set the timing, then some sub-timings, then all the timings. I rebooted and tested between changing the sub-timings.

I'm running it at 3600 14-14-14-28 CR1 @1.45v's currently without any issues. I still have to see if I can drop the voltage and keep it stable.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

Anyone have any luck using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator? When I try to get timings for running at 3600Mhz, it keeps spitting out CAS 14 for both Safe & Fast presets. That's for 2x8GB B-die at 1.45V but it still seems way optimistic (confirmed by not being able to boot at the suggested timing numbers).

On x570 Crosshair VIII Hero the DRAM calculator worked perfectly for me. If you scroll up a bit you can see my results at 3600 14-14-14-28 with DRAM calculator optimized sub timings. Granted this was 3600 CL16 binned B-Die RAM and not 3200 CL14 bin, so that may be why I'm not having any troubles with my kit.
@Kenmitch got almost exactly the results that I did so it seems to be pretty viable.

 

[Juiblex]

Hi all, I went with an MSI motherboard so the GPU wouldn't cover the chipset fan. However, when swapping from the Asus Prime Pro board to the MSI, I had to clean off the CPU and apply some new thermal paste. Anyways, long story short, fired it up. Just wondering if these numbers look normal to anyone? With those settings in Prime 95, it seems my CPU is not running at the 3.8ghz base, but the temp is under the limit. Also the voltage looks ok. Just wondering if I need to reapply thermal paste or if this is within normal spec. I am not overclocking, it's all auto/stock except the ram which is 14-14-14-34. When running in other prime 95 modes, the CPU temp goes down, and the peak speed goes up. But it peaks 4.0, 4.1ghz ish.

 

[Markfw]

I think your cooling solution is kiling your auto-oc

 

[EXCellR8]

Meanwhile on my bench... naked 7nm Ryzen CPU and no radiator for Vega yet. I'm really dropping the ball on this build. Hoping to get it powered up tomorrow after work though.

 

[Elfear]

What motherboard and cpu do you have ? and whats the spec on the memory ? bdie 3200 cl14 should run at exactly that in a motherboard with decent bios and a 3000 series cpu.

And at 1.35, not 1.45

I'm using the X570 Prime Pro and 3900X. Memory is B-die 3200 CL14. Normally I run the ram at 1.4V but I decided to bump it up a bit to see if I could hit 3600.

Have you tried 3600MHz @1.45v with all the timings on auto to see if it'll boot?

No luck with the DRAM calculator for me. When I selected x570 chipset it said something like coming soon.

I found a memory tweaking guide that I used to tweak my memory.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/9.html

I'm on x570 and using the G.Skill Flare X 2x8GB B-die 3200CL14 kit.

My uefi has a try it option for memory. I just picked the 3600MHz with the tightest timings, change memory voltage to 1.45v's and booted right up without any issues. I then used the guide to set the timing, then some sub-timings, then all the timings. I rebooted and tested between changing the sub-timings.

I'm running it at 3600 14-14-14-28 CR1 @1.45v's currently without any issues. I still have to see if I can drop the voltage and keep it stable.

Thanks! I'll give that tweaking guide a try.

On x570 Crosshair VIII Hero the DRAM calculator worked perfectly for me. If you scroll up a bit you can see my results at 3600 14-14-14-28 with DRAM calculator optimized sub timings. Granted this was 3600 CL16 binned B-Die RAM and not 3200 CL14 bin, so that may be why I'm not having any troubles with my kit.
@Kenmitch got almost exactly the results that I did so it seems to be pretty viable.

That's exactly what I needed. I'll check your timings against what the Dram Calculator spit out. It may be that Asus labels the sub-timings differently and I have something screwed up.

 

[mopardude87]

No idea. I had 1903 also. I would say, put in the 3700x and install 1903 from scratch, I know its good bios. Its is a beta bios.... But I feel confident that it will work, based on my experience. Mine rebooted twice after the bios flash, but I have seen that before.

When i upgraded my motherboard for my i7 8700 non k my motherboard kept looping where it goes on and off did it maybe 5 times then suddenly worked fine and has ever since. I did remove the battery and reset bios prior to this too. I was scared i had a doa board.

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

@Fanatical Meat
@StinkyPinky
@IndyColtsFan

Just a quick update. all the parts arrived late yesterday, so the new build is assembled, and Win10 Pro is installed. That aorus master mobo showed up with the F3 BIOS installed, and since GB put out the F5G BIOS (AGESA 1.0.0.3AB) the other day, I updated to it first thing.

So far, so good. The BIOS and CPU-Z are listing that 3200CL16 4x16GB Vengeance LPX kit at the 16-18-18-38 timings (All I had to do, was just enable the XMP profile for it). I won't have a chance to really benchmark the new desktop until this weekend, after I've already
migrated all my work stuff over to it over the next 2 days. Anything in particular you want me to use? I've got AIDA64 (haven't installed it on the new box yet), and I could run the CPU bench in CPU-Z and I guess Cinebench (never used that before).

Once I get WS Pro 15.1 and my VMs moved over, I'll find out whether there's an issue on that front in regards to Linux VMs. :/


@DarthKyrie

I found those low profile Ballistix kits. The only one I could find was listed on that AVAdirect site folks here link to, and it's DDR3.

 

[jackstar7]

Thanks. Yeah, I just care about running RAM at the spec - I don't envision buying anything over 3200 or perhaps 3600. I've decided to keep my 3900x and just wait a few weeks before finally deciding what to do. I can either upgrade the Ryzen 1700X system in my sig with this CPU and maybe some more RAM, or I could just get a new board and RAM and build it from the ground up (I have everything else now).

Confirming that the LPX 3200 ram works fine through stress test with XMP set.

I'm now using a -0.075v offset which brought idle temps down a bit and limited boost to 4GHz across all 8 cores, but I'm not complaining about that. Cool, quiet, and stable are my goals. Performance is already there for my needs with this chip.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For those of you running a manual fixed OC on a 3rd-Gen Ryzen CPU, what are your temps like?

My R5 3600 *IDLES* at 59-66C! With nothing more than a web browser, Skype (not in a call), Task Manager, HWMonitor, and Firefox. CPU load under 10%.

I currently have a 125W TDP old-school AMD 4-heatpipe cooler with copper base on there.

I just tried a manual OC with the F41b (AGESA 1.0.0.3AB) BIOS on my B450 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX.

CPU Freq. 4000
CPU Volt. 1350

In Ryzen Master, it shows 4000 Mhz, and 1.35V (locked).

Unfortunately, when I start all 12 threads of PrimeGrid in BOINC, in no short order, my temps hit 107C !!!! And rising!!!!

Yet, HWMonitor says Package Power 111W. Which should be within the 125W TDP that this heatsink handles.

WTF is going on? I'm starting to think, that for some of these CPUs, the temp sensor itself is BORKED. Like the problems with FM2. (It seems that AMD always has temp sensor problems, with new process nodes and designs?)

That's the only thing that I can think of.

My 2700 @ 4.0Ghz, 1.35V, takes more Package Power, up to 140W. It's on 240mm AIO WC (CM ML240L), and gets up to 85-88C on water.

So, it seems, that I should put this one on water too. But is it possible, due to my high idle temp readings, that something about the sensors are borked, and that I should consider the delta between idle and load, instead of the absolute value that Ryzen Master is telling me? IOW, I should be OK to let this particular CPU hit 117C in Ryzen Master?

Edit: Or does this have something to do with the thermal density of 7nm chips? Less power usage than 12nm, but still hotter?

Edit: Does anyone know how to detect PROCHOT in Ryzen Master? There's an option under settings to "Disable PROCHOT", but I want to know how to detect it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

@Fanatical Meat
@StinkyPinky
@IndyColtsFan

Just a quick update. all the parts arrived late yesterday, so the new build is assembled, and Win10 Pro is installed. That aorus master mobo showed up with the F3 BIOS installed, and since GB put out the F5G BIOS (AGESA 1.0.0.3AB) the other day, I updated to it first thing.

So far, so good. The BIOS and CPU-Z are listing that 3200CL16 4x16GB Vengeance LPX kit at the 16-18-18-38 timings (All I had to do, was just enable the XMP profile for it). I won't have a chance to really benchmark the new desktop until this weekend, after I've already
migrated all my work stuff over to it over the next 2 days. Anything in particular you want me to use? I've got AIDA64 (haven't installed it on the new box yet), and I could run the CPU bench in CPU-Z and I guess Cinebench (never used that before).

Once I get WS Pro 15.1 and my VMs moved over, I'll find out whether there's an issue on that front in regards to Linux VMs. :/


@DarthKyrie

I found those low profile Ballistix kits. The only one I could find was listed on that AVAdirect site folks here link to, and it's DDR3.

Thanks. To be clear, the RAM is running @ 3200 with those timings or did it drop down to 3000?