Amd Radeon 6970 Rumours Source claiming it to be faster than gtx 580.

[Sickamore]

In this article is saying 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world. Correction in that article its the fastest dual gpu but not the fastest single gpu.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Interisting piece Sickamore. Thx

So no yield, no BIOS or performance issues then i assume

It's going to be interesting to see how 6970 compares to GTX 580

 

[crisium]

Computerbase.de averaged 11 modern games. They got 16% at 1920x1200 8AA, and 18% at 2560x1600 4AA. So your estimate of 10-15% is not correct. It's rather 15-20%. In Anandtech's case, the performance difference was also around 15% or more.

I simply used this:

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/27.html

At all resolutions, it was 11% faster. At 2560 it is 16.3% faster. At 1920 it is 14.9% faster. I guess since the low resolutions don't really matter much, we can say it is about 13-17% faster. I just don't see it being 20% faster enough to call that the average, but 10% is indeed a bit too slow.

 

[Ares1214]

In this article is saying 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world. Correction in that article its the fastest dual gpu but not the fastest single gpu.

It is the fastest CARD in the world.

 

[ginfest]

Release date and performance remains to be seen but this smells like "damage control" since NV released the 580 . Fudzilla and and an "insider" as sources? I'm surprised that no one is questioning these reports ala when the 580 was first rumored, the tone from some was that it was all a ruse to rain on AMD's upcoming 6xxx release!

 

[Sickamore]

It is the fastest CARD in the world.

Have you seen the reviews lately for the gtx 580.

 

[Aristotelian]

That must have either included truffles or at least 1 bottle of expensive wine? ^_^

Their (L'Ambroisie, Paris) famous truffle dish (Feuilleté de truffe fraîche ‘bel humeur’) is only available on the fall/winter menu. I went there in the summer and the meal did include Oscietra Gold caviar, wine and so on, but the bliss revolved centrally around the stunning way simple-ish ingredients were treated. Simply amazing.

Release date and performance remains to be seen but this smells like "damage control" since NV released the 580 . Fudzilla and and an "insider" as sources? I'm surprised that no one is questioning these reports ala when the 580 was first rumored, the tone from some was that it was all a ruse to rain on AMD's upcoming 6xxx release!

Sorry, who's doing the damage control? I'm a bit confused by your post. I don't think either company needs to do damage control right now.

 

[Aristotelian]

Have you seen the reviews lately for the gtx 580.

Have you? The 5970 is still the fastest single card solution money can buy, but a lot of people think that multi gpu setups have cons that outweigh the marginal performance advantage the 5970 has over the 580.

 

[Sickamore]

Have you? The 5970 is still the fastest single card solution money can buy, but a lot of people think that multi gpu setups have cons that outweigh the marginal performance advantage the 5970 has over the 580.

My bad there. I should have clarify i wanted to compare with sli. I will still hold my words. Fastest dual gpu 5970. Fastest single gpu 580.

 

[betasub]

Sorry, who's doing the damage control? I'm a bit confused by your post.

Agree that the phrasing is confusing.

I don't think either company needs to do damage control right now.

That doesn't mean associated parties won't be carrying out their own black ops regardless.

 

[Skurge]

That doesn't mean associated parties won't be carrying out their own black ops regardless.

I see what you did there.

 

[nOOky]

I am anxiously awaiting to see how the new ATI cards shake out before I buy myself a Christmas gift of gpu.
One thing I have learned over the years as a budget-conscious buyer, I never buy the first effort I always buy the refresh. GTX285, HD4890, GTX580 etc. Always seems to be the card the original should have been...

 

[ginfest]

I see what you did there.

"If the shoe fits..."

Do you really need clarification:\
Obviously the red-team spinmeisters are out in full force today now that the 580 has been released (and seems to be killer) and the 6xxx parts have been delayed
Just read through the "Cayman" thread and you'll "get it"-unless of course you are one of the aforementioned meisters that is:biggrin:

 

[happy medium]

It is the fastest Direct x 9/10 CARD in the world.

fixed

In direct x 11 games it loses, that more important.

 

[RussianSensation]

At all resolutions, it was 11% faster. At 2560 it is 16.3% faster. At 1920 it is 14.9% faster.

OK, that makes sense. I see how you arrived at the 10-15% then. I am not sure 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1680x1050 are that good to test though for a $500 GTX580 (esp. the first 2 resolutions).

So from one of the articles, NDA doesn't lift until December 13th? That's a month away.

 

[blastingcap]

OK, that makes sense. I see hwo you arrived at the 10-15% then. I am not sure 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1680x1050 are that good to test though for a $500 GTX580 (esp. the first 2 resolutions).

I'd love more tests done at 5040x1050 and 5760x1200. Perhaps the least costly way to do that is to ax the 1024x768 and 1280x1024 resolutions. Maybe keep those low resolutions for lesser cards, but at midrange and higher, transition to the Eyefinity resolutions.

 

[Rifter]

I'd love more tests done at 5040x1050 and 5760x1200. Perhaps the least costly way to do that is to ax the 1024x768 and 1280x1024 resolutions. Maybe keep those low resolutions for lesser cards, but at midrange and higher, transition to the Eyefinity resolutions.

I agree, if you buy a $500 GPU and play at 1024x768 you are a moron.

 

[Aristotelian]

fixed

In direct x 11 games it loses, that more important.

Depending on the resolution and depending on the game.

For example, the 5970 is better than the 580 in Metro at any resolution higher than 1680x1050, but is slower in Dirt 2 at all resolutions (though both cards still play the game well).

You can't say "it loses in DX11 games" part and parcel because that's just false. It wins some, and loses some. Overall, it's still the faster card.

 

[happy medium]

Depending on the resolution and depending on the game.

For example, the 5970 is better than the 580 in Metro at any resolution higher than 1680x1050, but is slower in Dirt 2 at all resolutions (though both cards still play the game well).

You can't say "it loses in DX11 games" part and parcel because that's just false. It wins some, and loses some. Overall, it's still the faster card.

My point was it allready loses in many direct x 11 games and the gap will widen with time.

 

[Sickamore]

Depending on the resolution and depending on the game.

For example, the 5970 is better than the 580 in Metro at any resolution higher than 1680x1050, but is slower in Dirt 2 at all resolutions (though both cards still play the game well).

You can't say "it loses in DX11 games" part and parcel because that's just false. It wins some, and loses some. Overall, it's still the faster card.

Whats the point of buying this card when it only performs in x10 games. You can to play futures games right based on the right software.

 

[Aristotelian]

Whats the point of buying this card when it only performs in x10 games. You can to play futures games right based on the right software.

It performs in DX11 games as well. I highly recommend you take a look at benchmarks. Look, I'm not trying to say that people should buy a 5970 over a 580, and that's because I'm not a fan of multi-gpu setups anyway. But to keep maintaining that the 580 is faster than a 5970 is just empirically false. Also, given that it's give and take, one can't simply say "since the 580 is better in some games now it'll be better for all future games", see? I bet it'll be give and take there too, depending on the resolution and depending on the game.

@happy: I've read every 580 benchmark that has been released, and the distribution seemed roughly equal to me (depending on the game, and the resolution). By over time do you mean that the 580 will get better drivers?Could be, we'll see.

 

[T2k]

It's not going to be 15-20% faster than the 580. The 5870 was slower than the 480, so why will there be a sudden turn around this time?

Ehh? The 5870 came 6 months before the GTX480, beating everything NVIDIA had and even with GTX480 the difference between the two is pretty small.

THere's no turn unless you mean it's AMD's turn to take back the lead, once again.

Not because AMD new what they were up against. They try to make the card as fast as possible within power limits and cost constraints - knowing how quick the opposition is doesn't suddenly make them do a better job. It's not like they'd normally not bother trying.

There's a pretty big gap between being able to test a card and guessing an upcoming card - one gives you solid info for your optimizations, the other one doesn't give you crap to work with.

 

[T2k]

Whats the point of buying this card when it only performs in x10 games.

PRICELESS. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

 

[RussianSensation]

Look, I'm not trying to say that people should buy a 5970 over a 580, and that's because I'm not a fan of multi-gpu setups anyway.

I am just not sure HD5970 competes with the GTX580 that much now that you can get better performing HD6850/70 in CF for less $ than the HD5970.

Chances are if you are OK with multi-gpu setups and have the motherboard that can support it, you'll be getting HD6870 CF > HD5970 or GTX580 anyway. If you don't like multi-gpu setups, chances are you bought a motherboard that supports a single PCIe 16x slot and wouldn't be considering HD5970 anyway due to its multi-GPU nature. This perhaps leaves owners of smaller mATX boards in smaller cases (but then again the length of the HD5970 becomes an issue a lot of times).

I would love to see statistics on how many people CF/SLI $150, 200, $350 and $500 cards at launch and later down the line.

Ehh? The 5870 came 6 months before the GTX480, beating everything NVIDIA had and even with GTX480 the difference between the two is pretty small.

Actually the difference between a GTX470 and HD5870 is much smaller than between HD5870 and GTX480 < 2560x1600 resolutions. GTX580 is now about 35-40&#37; faster than a single HD5870 in modern games. Like I said if you are expecting HD6970 to beat a GTX580 by 15-20%, that would put the 6970 ~ 50-60% faster than an HD5870. That's a big difference on the same manufacturing node. If AMD can pull that off, then the 4D design has tremendous potential in HD7000 series on 28nm.

 

[Sickamore]

I don't think that any of us will be surprised that "sources" are saying that the AMD HD 6970 will beat the new NVIDIA GTX 580 in performance. What else would AMD say after all? It's not as if they can say, "our next card will suck." I like it when these two companies get to goading and competing with each other for the performance crown, and so

Competition like this is when we get new cards with even more performance as they trade the world's fastest title back and forth. The only downside is that the new cards seem to get more expensive each time they launch. The upside is a new faster card means price cuts on older hardware. Kit Guru cites sources that claim the HD 6970.
The sources really don’t quantify "beats GTX 580" so we can take this with a massive amount of salt until the cards land and we can see how they work in the real world. We all know that these companies tend to use the benchmarks that make them look the best. Still, the sources claim that the AMD card beat the GTX 580 in a "majority of benchmarks." We shall see.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/17515/sources_say_amd_hd_6970_will_beat_nv_gtx_580/index.html