Amd Radeon 6970 Rumours Source claiming it to be faster than gtx 580.

[Sickamore]

I don't think that any of us will be surprised that "sources" are saying that the AMD HD 6970 will beat the new NVIDIA GTX 580 in performance. What else would AMD say after all? It's not as if they can say, "our next card will suck." I like it when these two companies get to goading and competing with each other for the performance crown, and so

Competition like this is when we get new cards with even more performance as they trade the world's fastest title back and forth. The only downside is that the new cards seem to get more expensive each time they launch. The upside is a new faster card means price cuts on older hardware. Kit Guru cites sources that claim the HD 6970.
The sources really don’t quantify "beats GTX 580" so we can take this with a massive amount of salt until the cards land and we can see how they work in the real world. We all know that these companies tend to use the benchmarks that make them look the best. Still, the sources claim that the AMD card beat the GTX 580 in a "majority of benchmarks." We shall see.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/17515/sources_say_amd_hd_6970_will_beat_nv_gtx_580/index.html

 

[lavaheadache]

can't believe the GTX 580 beat this card to the punch AMD really needs to get some juicy info out there to keep people like me from getting a 580

 

[GaiaHunter]

can't believe the GTX 580 beat this card to the punch AMD really needs to get some juicy info out there to keep people like me from getting a 580

Don't tell me you cant wait 3 weeks to see the price, power consumption and performance of this card before spending $500+ on card.

Or that 5870CF setup cant hold you those weeks just fine.

 

[Genx87]

If this thing is slower than the 580 at least one poster is going to eat crow for claiming the 580 was a disappointment for only being 20% faster than a 480 😀

 

[Creig]

can't believe the GTX 580 beat this card to the punch AMD really needs to get some juicy info out there to keep people like me from getting a 580

We're only talking about a timeframe of two weeks or so. With the possibility of Black Friday deals thrown in the mix I would definitely wait if I were in the market for a high end card.

 

[Creig]

If this thing is slower than the 580 at least one poster is going to eat crow for claiming the 580 was a disappointment for only being 20% faster than a 480 😀

And this post has exactly what to do with this thread? 😕

 

[Scali]

And this post has exactly what to do with this thread? 😕

I think this:
"early report was that the prototype was slower than GTX 580, but who knows, with a tweak or two as well as an increased clock and better drivers, Cayman might have a chance. In any case it will be a very close race."

 

[crisium]

People regretted buying the GTX 280 for $649 because if they waited a few weeks they could have had a 4870 for $299 or a GTX 280 for $499.

I don't think that we'll see anywhere close to that amount of undercutting, but with the 6870 at $239, I don't think the 6970 will cost more than $399.

 

[vshin]

It would be quite an upset if the 6970 retails for $399 while coming within 5% of 580 performance. If the 6950 retails for $299 while coming within 10% then this will be the card to get for the masses.

 

[RaistlinZ]

They'll likely have to price it at $399-$429 if it's 10% slower than a 580. Should be interesting.

No matter what, I'm saving up cash to replace my 5870 and 20" NEC monitor with a 6990 and HP30W or Dell U3011. That should set me straight for the next 2 years easily.

 

[Aristotelian]

I think this:
"early report was that the prototype was slower than GTX 580, but who knows, with a tweak or two as well as an increased clock and better drivers, Cayman might have a chance. In any case it will be a very close race."

A close race is...just a close race, Scali. If the 6970 is slower I don't see how that quote entails that someone is going to have been wrong. It can be a close race with the 6970 losing by a few fps here and there, while still being a cheaper card.

Not to you, Scali, but: If people are going to apply "bang for the buck" scenarios on lower tier cards, they should do that for higher tier cards too. So if the 6970 is slower I don't see how that's a failure unless AMD try to charge as much as a 580 for it. 'Failure' isn't defined by how some forums poster receives a card, it is defined by sales, plain and simple.

 

[T2k]

I think this:
"early report was that the prototype was slower than GTX 580, but who knows, with a tweak or two as well as an increased clock and better drivers, Cayman might have a chance. In any case it will be a very close race."

That was a completely unsubstantiated rumor, not a report. Only an idiot would judge two months early a new architecture based on some vague claim and retouched photos.

 

[T2k]

It would be quite an upset if the 6970 retails for $399 while coming within 5% of 580 performance. If the 6950 retails for $299 while coming within 10% then this will be the card to get for the masses.

What are you talking about with these numbers?
If it's not at least 15-20% faster than 580 in key games (no, not in Metro-like NV-handicapped ones) then AMD seriously messed up something IMO because they said they were expecting GTX580 to arrive...

 

[Daedalus685]

What are you talking about with these numbers?
If it's not at least 15-20% faster than 580 in key games (no, not in Metro-like NV-handicapped ones) then AMD seriously messed up something IMO because they said they were expecting GTX580 to arrive...

20%????

I can't fathom it being 20% faster in anything... Equal perhaps in many games, there are outliers where the 5870 is half as fast as a 580... And what on earth is this about NV handicap?? Metro may be a poorly coded game but you speak as if it is intentionally slow on AMD cards...

They expected the 280 to arrive too.. That didn't mean the 4870 beat it, it meant the price/performance was killer. It also meant the dual GPU card was for the top end. Prepared can mean a lot of things.. The card will be what it is.

 

[Scali]

That was a completely unsubstantiated rumor, not a report. Only an idiot would judge two months early a new architecture based on some vague claim and retouched photos.

He did say 'if'.

 

[Red Storm]

It's common knowledge by now that AMD aims for the performance crown with dual-gpu cards, which the 6970 is not. Knowing that, it doesn't make much sense for the 6970 to be faster than the 580, or there would be no need for the dual-gpu variant to follow.

6970 will sit between the 480 and 580, while costing a lot less than the 580's $499 MSRP.

580 prices will probably take a bit of a nosedive if the 6970 is close enough to it.

Everyone who bought a $500 580 will feel like a fool for not waiting a month.

That's my guess. :hmm:

 

[exar333]

It's common knowledge by now that AMD aims for the performance crown with dual-gpu cards, which the 6970 is not. Knowing that, it doesn't make much sense for the 6970 to be faster than the 580, or there would be no need for the dual-gpu variant to follow.

6970 will sit between the 480 and 580, while costing a lot less than the 580's $499 MSRP.

580 prices will probably take a bit of a nosedive if the 6970 is close enough to it.

Everyone who bought a $500 580 will feel like a fool for not waiting a month.

That's my guess. :hmm:

I definitely agree, but early adopters always pay somewhat of a tax. For those who dropped 2x$500 for a SLI setup, I doubt they will be too worried if the 580 drops $50-75 in a couple months. 🙂

 

[T2k]

20%????

I can't fathom it being 20% faster in anything... Equal perhaps in many games, there are outliers where the 5870 is half as fast as a 580...

I sure can.

And what on earth is this about NV handicap??

NV's constant tactics when they get involved in direct development to intentionally make it into 'NV-exclusive' by any means which means make it perform worse on non-NV hardware.

Metro may be a poorly coded game but you speak as if it is intentionally slow on AMD cards...

No, it is due to negligence: their pimp-faced head proudly stated they got pre-released Fermis from NV - talk about being prepped up - but they were unfortunately too busy to test on on ATI cards...
Pathetic.

They expected the 280 to arrive too.. That didn't mean the 4870 beat it, it meant the price/performance was killer. It also meant the dual GPU card was for the top end. Prepared can mean a lot of things.. The card will be what it is.

They knew what Fermi can do since past Spring and what anyone can do with it in 6-10 months. There are many factors but magic isn't among them... 😉

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I definitely agree, but early adopters always pay somewhat of a tax. For those who dropped 2x$500 for a SLI setup, I doubt they will be too worried if the 580 drops $50-75 in a couple months. 🙂

People might not have a problem with spending money, but that doesn't mean those same people wouldn't have a problem wasting money...

 

[Scali]

It's common knowledge by now that AMD aims for the performance crown with dual-gpu cards, which the 6970 is not. Knowing that, it doesn't make much sense for the 6970 to be faster than the 580, or there would be no need for the dual-gpu variant to follow.

Thing is, the 6970 is all but finished, AMD didn't know how fast the 580 was going to be, and wouldn't really know what it would take to compete with it, and whether or not they'd require a dual GPU.
If the 6970 turns out to be faster than the 580, then so be it. Too late to change anything now.

 

[WelshBloke]

If this thing is slower than the 580 at least one poster is going to eat crow for claiming the 580 was a disappointment for only being 20% faster than a 480 😀

Even if the only difference between a 580 and 480 was a 20%perf difference I dont see how it could be a disappointment. Given that its cooler and quieter as well it seems what we wanted from fermi all along. 😕


But I still don't see what this has to do with the launch date of Cayman.

 

[Janooo]

I think this:
"early report was that the prototype was slower than GTX 580, but who knows, with a tweak or two as well as an increased clock and better drivers, Cayman might have a chance. In any case it will be a very close race."

The latest rumors are that it was Pro.
SP's: 1920 - XT, 1536 - Pro

 

[Genx87]

Even if the only difference between a 580 and 480 was a 20%perf difference I dont see how it could be a disappointment. Given that its cooler and quieter as well it seems what we wanted from fermi all along. 😕


But I still don't see what this has to do with the launch date of Cayman.

In another thread I said the 580 was a pretty good refresh product. And a local zoner told me it wasnt impressive because it was only 20% faster than a 480. To which I said lets wait and see what the 6970 brings to the table before declaring the 580 not impressive.

It was a jab at that poster if this thing turns out to be slower than the 580. Yeah, it was slightly off topic. But whatever.......................

 

[sagrada]

Chiphell is saying the conference is this week, with launch on the 22nd still

Not sure where Fud is getting his numbers, but he seems to be pulling them out of his @$$ again

 

[Skurge]

Chiphell is saying the conference is this week, with launch on the 22nd still

Not sure where Fud is getting his numbers, but he seems to be pulling them out of his @$$ again

Yeah, Just yesterday Xbit labs posted a story where AMD delayed the 6990, but cayman wasn't delayed, its still on track.