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Amd Radeon 6970 Rumours Source claiming it to be faster than gtx 580.

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happy medium said:
This has been beaten to death, if you don't know by now then you are the ........ 🙂
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No seriously, if its faster what's the problem?

You're obviously not opposed to multi GPU solutions, I've read some of your posts.

Theres arguments against multi GPU but to call anyone using one a moron seems a bit strong, especially after I've seen you recommending them.
 
Red Storm said:
Everyone who bought a $500 580 will feel like a fool for not waiting a month.
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Not really. People like myself buy the high end cards when they first come out because we honestly don't care about the price. If the 6970 is as great as people on here make it and it costs a lot less then the 580's i just picked up. Maybe i'll just put them for sale on this forum for 400 bucks and pick up a pair of 6970's.

I think about money like this.. You can't take it with you when you're dead.
 
Jdawg84 said:
Not really. People like myself buy the high end cards when they first come out because we honestly don't care about the price. If the 6970 is as great as people on here make it and it costs a lot less then the 580's i just picked up. Maybe i'll just put them for sale on this forum for 400 bucks and pick up a pair of 6970's.

I think about money like this.. You can't take it with you when you're dead.
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Agreed. I've spent more on a single dinner for two than 580s SLId. I hope you enjoy your purchases, Jdawg84.
 
Aristotelian said:
Thought we agreed different strokes for different folks? You can't be too negative about multi gpu setups now, after how enthusiastic you were back in the 460 1GB SLI glory days, can you? 😀
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I'm not negative about the 6000 series, unless AMD somehow screws that up.
The 5000 series? yea I am, and have every right to be.
 
Jdawg84 said:
As sad as this is going to sound. I'd rather spend money on a pair of 580's and get taco bell then eat at mr. chow's and pick up a pair of 6870's :biggrin:
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So would I, not sad at all.

Except my wife wouldn't leave me for spending 1000 on a meal for the both of us... dropping 1000 on video cards on the other hand.. 😉


That being said.. bring on the new high end from AMD so I can at least fit one of them in my budget 😀
 
WelshBloke said:
Theres arguments against multi GPU but to call anyone using one a moron seems a bit strong, especially after I've seen you recommending them.
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I called anyone who buys a 5970 over a single gtx580 a moron. Thats a big difference.
They are about the same price, for 7% more performance. Now bring in the CF difficulties and its just not worth it.
Now say you wanna upgrade? would you rather have quad CF scaling or sli scaling when adding another card? 2 gtx 580's would completely destroy 2 5970's.
 
Jdawg84 said:
As sad as this is going to sound. I'd rather spend money on a pair of 580's and get taco bell then eat at mr. chow's and pick up a pair of 6870's :biggrin:
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I enjoy the entire gamut as part of my rational hedonism. From McDonald's cheeseburgers to three star Michelin restaurants. It's the same with music for me: from listening to Snoop Doggy Dogg's Doggystyle to watching Don Giovanni in an opera house. There are some other comparable examples but I think this is probably a pg-13 forum so..🙂 That meal wasn't a charity event though I do give to charity through various avenues.

One option is not to have to worry about the choice, no? And let's face it, that's part of the fun with splurging on a 580 SLI solution. It's not rank consumerism, it's taking the time to have a bit of fun. That's how I see it, anyway. And as far as your video cards go it seems that you have, for now, the strongest single gpu gaming card money can buy and similarly the strongest 2 card solution money can buy. I was going back to that implication you were a fool when I first replied. People say 'a fool and his money are soon parted' but we're not going to Vegas (or, I'm not!) and gambling our houses on a roll of the dice. I was told a long time ago that I'd grow out of gaming and now, I realize I never will. The only difference between now and then is now I buy my own toys (not that toys are identified with happiness...but we'll leave Aristotle for another time).
 
happy medium said:
2 gtx 580's would completely destroy 2 5970's.
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You know, I was actually hoping to see this in the 580 SLI review on TPU, but alas it didn't happen. I'm sure you're right with respect to the scaling, but it is now a lot better than it used to be. I wonder if they really would destroy 2 5970s.
 
happy medium said:
I called anyone who buys a 5970 over a single gtx580 a moron. Thats a big difference.
They are about the same price, for 7% more performance. Now bring in the CF difficulties and its just not worth it.
Now say you wanna upgrade? would you rather have quad CF scaling or sli scaling when adding another card? 2 gtx 580's would completely destroy 2 5970's.
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I'm gonna say that your going to need a hefty CPU and lots of monitor real estate to make that worthwhile.

So like you said the same price, but faster. Thats going to be worth it for some people.

To say taking the faster option for the same price is moronic is, well, moronic :sneaky:. I'm not saying there's no disadvantages, but I can see why someone would do it.
 
crisium said:
It is only 20% faster than a 480 in a few titles. On average it is closer to 10-15%.
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Computerbase.de averaged 11 modern games. They got 16% at 1920x1200 8AA, and 18% at 2560x1600 4AA. So your estimate of 10-15% is not correct. It's rather 15-20%. In Anandtech's case, the performance difference was also around 15% or more.

Aristotelian said:
Agreed. I've spent more on a single dinner for two than 580s SLId. I hope you enjoy your purchases, Jdawg84.
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That must have either included truffles or at least 1 bottle of expensive wine? ^_^
 
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RussianSensation said:
Computerbase.de averaged 11 modern games. They got 16% at 1920x1200 8AA, and 18% at 2560x1600 4AA. So your estimate of 10-15% is not correct. It's rather 15-20%. In Anandtech's case, the performance difference was also around 15% or more.
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I don't think you can say he wasn't correct. Numbers change depending on which games you consider and which settings, resolution, etc. Which you can then argue about.

On another topic:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1492574&postcount=4779

HD6970
1920@~900MHz, 4D
30 SIMD
2GB GDDR5@6GHz
3.5 TFlops

HD6950
1536@~800MHz, 4D
30 SIMD
2GB GDDR5@5GHz
2.5 TFlops
 
blastingcap said:
I don't think you can say he wasn't correct.
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We are discussing the average performance difference. The card has been shown to be about 15% faster, on average across many reviews. So the 10% "average" is not supported.

T2k said:
What are you talking about with these numbers?
If it's not at least 15-20% faster than 580 in key games (no, not in Metro-like NV-handicapped ones) then AMD seriously messed up
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And what are key games/not "NV handicapped" exactly? GTX480 beats HD5870 in Lost Planet 2, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, STALKER:CoP, Hawx 2, BattleForge, Dirt 2, Mafia 2, Mass Effect 2, Starcraft 2, Civilization 5, Medal of Honor and Splinter Cell Conviction. Are all these games "paid for" by NV? That leaves BF:BC2 and F1 2010 as the only unbiased games?

blastingcap said:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1492574&postcount=4779

HD6970
1920@~900MHz, 4D
30 SIMD
2GB GDDR5@6GHz
3.5 TFlops
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That looks beastly if true. Wonder why HD6950 is only rated at 2.5 Tflops though; that's less than the HD5870. Although of course Tflops don't exactly translate into gaming performance.

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I can't believe HD5850 launched at $259 13 months ago. What a hell of a deal that was!!

13 months later we get HD6870 for $239 and only 10% more performance and $499 GTX580 that still can't outperform dual HD5850s in CF from 13 months ago for $520 :thumbsdown:.

Time for HD6970 to open a can of whoop-*ss and end this nonsense of 10-20% performance increases. If not we might have to wait for our 28nm fix.
 
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happy medium said:
I called anyone who buys a 5970 over a single gtx580 a moron. Thats a big difference.
They are about the same price, for 7% more performance. Now bring in the CF difficulties and its just not worth it.
Now say you wanna upgrade? would you rather have quad CF scaling or sli scaling when adding another card? 2 gtx 580's would completely destroy 2 5970's.
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CF difficulties are greatly exaggerated. It's more likely that the user will never experience them. 5970 is still faster, cheaper, and uses less power than the GTX 580. Based on that alone, I consider the GTX 580 a disappointment. A lot of people somehow find positive things to say about it still somehow. Calling anyone who would prefer the 5970 over the 580 a moron is a bit of an oxymoron itself. Saying 2 580s would destroy 2 5970s is also stretching the truth quite a bit without evidence to back it up.

On another note, do you realize that all 5970s are deliberately clocked at 725Mhz core specifically so they don't surpass the 300W number right? AMD refuses to release a product that breaks PCIe specification. Every single 5970 AMD has ever shipped is fully capable of running at 5870 speeds(850Mhz core), it's just up to the user to select those speeds. I doubt a 580 has enough overclocking headroom to overcome that.
 
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RussianSensation said:
We are discussing the average performance difference. The card has been shown to be about 15% faster, on average across many reviews. So the 10% "average" is not supported.

That looks beastly if true. Wonder why HD6950 is only rated at 2.5 Tflops though; that's less than the HD5870. Although of course Tflops don't exactly translate into gaming performance.
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I don't want to get involved in whatever the discussion is because frankly who cares if it's 10-15 or 15-20, just call it 10-20 and be done with it.

Anyway, 4D is supposed to utilize shaders more efficiently than 5D for most gaming apps, so max theoretical flops can drop and real-game performance can rise at the same time.

I'm more concerned about the paltry memory bandwidth, seems like that will be the bottleneck.

40nm is a features transition into DX11. Power will come with 28nm. That said, I just started playing LOTRO on 5040x1050 with max details including 8x AA. I still got good fps, so I am happy with my card's performance for now. 🙂
 
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blastingcap said:
I'm more concerned about the paltry memory bandwidth, seems like that will be the bottleneck.
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192 GB/sec is paltry/bottleneck? I don't how you think this is little. Besides when you are running 6GB/sec GDDR5 chips, there is probably some overclocking headroom. Maybe these chips are rated 7GB/sec :sneaky:
 
Partners not getting their AMD Radeon HD 6970 boards in time has led many to speculate AMD is indeed facing yield issues with its upcoming flagship GPU. However, an insider has shared a contradicting piece of news: the card's delay is not due to yield issues - production is perfectly fine, but rather a shortage of a particular component from Texas Instruments (TI) is the root cause of the hold-up.

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This TI component is an integrated driver-MOSFET (DrMOS) that was first used on AMD's Radeon HD 6800 Series. This DrMOS is so new to the point there is no information on it on the Web, not even from the manufacturer itself.
Supply of this DrMOS is limited, and since the Radeon HD 6800 Series and upcoming HD 6900 Series share the same VRM design, any (tight) supply from TI is shared between all the cards. This leads to a delay in HD 6970 card manufacturing, with partners receiving their final boards late as well.
It is interesting to note that AMD has also withheld the final BIOS from partners. It is an open question as to whether NVIDIA's just-launched GeForce GTX 580 flagship GPU and its performance figures has anything to do with this. That aside, the initial 22nd November date may be set to change; AIBs will only know the final launch date from AMD at the end of this week.
Meanwhile, NVIDIA can take this time to gloat about its GeForce GTX 580 (which we have reviewed too) before the Radeon HD 6970 drops.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-rad...age-launch-date-to-be-re-confirmed/10276.html
 
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