AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

[balane]

Just thinking of possible solutions. It might work fine from a different connection? It would still be a driver fault, but it might not effect all types of connectors.

I do appreciate it and thank you. If I get the gumption I'll dig up a HDMI to DVI cable (The LCD only has DVI and VGA.) and see if that helps any.

 

[MTDEW]

I do appreciate it and thank you. If I get the gumption I'll dig up a HDMI to DVI cable (The LCD only has DVI and VGA.) and see if that helps any.

If you do that and your desktop is no longer full-screen, don't forget to go into CCC and under My Digital Flat Panels / Scaling Options and adjust the overscan slider accordingly.
With HDMI, my AMD cards always underscan by default.
But I'm running 6000 series so your 7000 series may be different.
The only other issue ive ever had using AMD/HDMI is Crysis running at 24fps in DX10 mode. It was/is a real pain and requires creating a custom rez to fix.
So I stick to my DL DVI connection.

It just seems any HDMI connection and the AMD drivers treat your monitor like a tv by default.

I personally would stick to DVI and try doing an uninstall, driver sweeper / Ccleaner to ensure a clean install first and see if the issues go away.

Otherwise, i'd wait for an official release as you mentioned and hope your issues are fixed.

 

[AdamK47]

I heard this release 12.11 on ,,, is not coded by the intern programming team.


So dont worry about BSODs or other CCC anamolies.

So, they have a whole programming team made up of interns? I guess that's one way for AMD to save money.

 

[railven]

Oh I just had to comment on this since it made me laugh, and I know he still reads here (basically that whole forum is 80% of their posts are commenting about this forum.)

UPDATE: The shills at VC&G pay far more attention to our posts over here than they ever did to our posts over there

Haha, this coming from the same person who said this:

First of all, i would much rather *ignore* VC&G. Their posts simply aren't worth our time. And i wish we wouldn't make topics asking if certain posters are shills or not.

Odd, he wishes to ignore us, yet never stops talking about us.

His comment to my post:

Unlike AMD's inept PR shills, i have been testing each catalyst release since i got my HD 7970 and the drivers' performance improvement up until 12-7 have mostly been game specific or bug fixes.

Article history, thankfully he posts a few times a month or it would have taken longer than 30 seconds to find:
Recent Cata comparison article: Oct 28, 2012 [in which his own readers had to correct him on clear bias]
Last Cata comparison article: April 2, 2012.

Hmmm...according to that nice chart from OCaholics, we've had about 14 driver releases since launch, and since April at least 8. Oh my, being blinded by his own bitterness. Woof! At this point I'm just trolling him, and I admit it, but it's so easy when his ax to grind is so clear.

Now to wait for his rebuttal since he loves reading this forum. Oh my.

 

[NIGELG]

Oh I just had to comment on this since it made me laugh, and I know he still reads here (basically that whole forum is 80% of their posts are commenting about this forum.)



Haha, this coming from the same person who said this:



Odd, he wishes to ignore us, yet never stops talking about us.

His comment to my post:



Article history, thankfully he posts a few times a month or it would have taken longer than 30 seconds to find:
Recent Cata comparison article: Oct 28, 2012 [in which his own readers had to correct him on clear bias]
Last Cata comparison article: April 2, 2012.

Hmmm...according to that nice chart from OCaholics, we've had about 14 driver releases since launch, and since April at least 8. Oh my, being blinded by his own bitterness. Woof! At this point I'm just trolling him, and I admit it, but it's so easy when his ax to grind is so clear.

Now to wait for his rebuttal since he loves reading this forum. Oh my.

The owner of ABT a.k a appopjackass is obsessed and needs to get a life.

He needs to STFU...REALLY.

As long as I am quoted over there I will insist that he is a complete f**ktard.He needs to leave this forum alone and focus on his weakass website.

 

[railven]

The owner of ABT a.k a appopjackass is obsessed and needs to get a life.

He needs to STFU...REALLY.

As long as I am quoted over there I will insist that he is a complete f**ktard.He needs to leave this forum alone and focus on his weakass website.

This was his post, after all:

First of all, i would much rather *ignore* VC&G. Their posts simply aren't worth our time. And i wish we wouldn't make topics asking if certain posters are shills or not.

If you take out his posts stirring conversation his forum about this forum, that place be DEAD. I mostly read because at work I get bored and I like reading the drama. I'd admit if they stopped Mystery Science Theater 3000's this place, I'd probably stop reading their forums.

Why I really like Balla, as much as in your face he is, he's true to his roots. I'm enjoying his posts about politics. Go get em Balla!

EDIT: Haha,

Railven clearly follows our posts and he obviously read my Beta vs Beta evaluation. What a tool

I read his article, he calls me a tool? Damn, guess he admits to his own pandering. Such delicious irony. Oh my! haha.

I'll stop dragging mud into our home, just wanted to get my post across since I won't make an account there.

 

[ocre]

Most epic example or poor reading comprehension in history. Sorry you can't read pal.

I even stated, "It's not a response driver." Clear as day. I have no idea what you think you read with your green colored glasses. I think your ill informed inflammatory post is more likely to start a flame war then anything posted by me.

My post cause a flame war????
seriously trying to go there?

lets see now:

Look at the release notes for Nvidia's "response" driver. They averaged 2% in a bunch of irrelevant games, and 15% in a game that is ridiculously old that no one plays. It's not a response, and they advertised it as such by creatively only using the largest increase in the oldest game to paint it in a more positive light. The new Nvidia drivers are laughable compared to 12.11 cats.

Haha reading those two back to back made me laugh.

AMD - months of work ~7% perf increase with up to ~30% increase in specific examples
nVidia - months of work ~2% perf increase with up to ~15% increase in specific examples.

Haha, why do you guys even have to bother trying to defend nVidia in a pro-AMD thread? You guys think people actually care? Separate the forums and we'd see this kind of stuff happening regardless.

Agendas met!

i think you got stuff a little backwards. Me? i just try to offer a little sanity at times, you know reality. Sorry, i'm not here to hype up a company or to bash another and i have never.

Besides, your deflections do little. People arent as stupid as you might think:

The review of the AMD driver here at Anands states a avg of 5%. Imo, we have some people piling in the extra clocking of the GHZ and turbo editions with the driver increases, and declaring it's all driver optimization. When in fact the cards are now clocked over 10+% faster than launch cards.

i am not sure why some people try so hard to make dubious claims. The gains AMD made with the 12.11 driver are fantastic but i do not see the reason people want to make this some sort of Nvidia vs AMD battle. Whats strange is the very people claiming stuff "like nvidia sux (laughable, whatever) cause AMD is just so much better" are the same ones accusing others of trying to cause a flame war? The gig is up dude.

There is nothing i wish to take away from AMDs achievement although it appears some others would want to do this very thing to another company. AMDs has done well by increasing performance, but why take this opportunity to hate on nvidia?

 

[badb0y]

My post cause a flame war????
seriously trying to go there?

lets see now:




i think you got stuff a little backwards. Me? i just try to offer a little sanity at times, you know reality. Sorry, i'm not here to hype up a company or to bash another and i have never.

Besides, your deflections do little. People arent as stupid as you might think:



i am not sure why some people try so hard to make dubious claims. The gains AMD made with the 12.11 driver are fantastic but i do not see the reason people want to make this some sort of Nvidia vs AMD battle. Whats strange is the very people claiming stuff "like nvidia sux (laughable, whatever) cause AMD is just so much better" are the same ones accusing others of trying to cause a flame war? The gig is up dude.

There is nothing i wish to take away from AMDs achievement although it appears some others would want to do this very thing to another company. AMDs has done well by increasing performance, but why take this opportunity to hate on nvidia?

Re-read the thread.

 

[raghu78]

folks let the thread not be derailed. Focus on 12.11b performance and issues/bugs . The problem with downclocking is prevalent with quite a few users. hopefully AMD fixes it in the whql drivers. The good thing about this driver for AMD is the massive BF3 performance improvement. BF3 matters because its very popular in multiplayer servers. Also the other big reason is the FrostBite 2 engine is one of the best engines out there. So the performance with FrostBite 2 is critical as it is going to be licensed and used a lot in AAA titles going forward. Unfortunately the first big game MOH Warfighter which uses Frostbite 2 has been crucified by reviews.

http://asia.gamespot.com/medal-of-honor-warfighter/reviews/medal-of-honor-warfighter-review-6399013/

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/medal-of-honor-warfighter

 

[BoFox]

I really wish I could get these to work right on my computer. I don't know why I'm having problems. I've tried a few different installs and I get the below problems. I've done a full clean install each time with a driver sweep in safe mode. 12.10 works without any of these problems.

1.) My computer is set to turn off the display after 10 minutes of no computer use. Not sleep mode, just shutting off the display. About 80% of the time the display will not turn back on with activity. I can hear Windows noises in the background but the display will absolutely not reactivate. The only fix is a complete system reboot.

2.) About half the time with these drivers Windows will not start. When I go to turn on my computer I will get the option to boot into Windows or do a start up repair. Either option will continually cause the computer to reboot back into this same option over and over. My only fix is to turn off the PSU and let it sit for a while, then it will boot into Windows safe mode and finally into regular with a reboot from there.

This is frustrating because I very much like the performance gains that 12.11 gives. All I can do now is wait for the 12.11 final drivers to be released and hope my issues go away. These are the first AMD drivers I've had issue with in a very, very long time.

Yes, when the monitor is on standby, it won't turn on when I jiggle the mouse or hit a key like the other drivers will do. I will try to power off and on the LCD the next time this happens, good idea but it does seem to me like the video card is not sending the correct signal when it comes time to use the computer again.

On the different connections, no I've only been using the DVI cable on both the card and the monitor. Is there a reason that might be picky with one software driver but not another?

Everything works fine on any driver I've used 12.10 and earlier. These two issues only crop up with 12.11.

My solution is to leave the computer on 24/7 and power off the monitor with its own power button. But since this is a back up computer in the garage I really don't want to leave it on since it isn't used nearly as often as my office computer.

I'm OK with using 12.10 for now, just hoping the 12.11 final drivers remove these problems.

D:

Anybody else been having this problem with something like a 7870? I guess not (definitely not here)..

Now, somebody report this problem to AMD engineers, not Edelman or the PR department!

At this point I'm just trolling him, and I admit it, but it's so easy when his ax to grind is so clear.

Perhaps he was only speaking in general, about the 10 months thing, to see such a thorough overall driver performance gains. He didn't do driver update testing comparisons as often this year, so it was the only time that AMD got his clear attention as to a driver update that actually improves performance all across the suite (for 7xxx series only, though). So, I don't think that was such a threatening "axe" from Apoppin after all, so let's take it easy with your self-declared trolling attempts that you are apparently quite "confident" to do freely here on ATF without any bounds or restrictions for some reason.

 

[BoFox]

My post cause a flame war????
seriously trying to go there?

lets see now:




i think you got stuff a little backwards. Me? i just try to offer a little sanity at times, you know reality. Sorry, i'm not here to hype up a company or to bash another and i have never.

Besides, your deflections do little. People arent as stupid as you might think:



i am not sure why some people try so hard to make dubious claims. The gains AMD made with the 12.11 driver are fantastic but i do not see the reason people want to make this some sort of Nvidia vs AMD battle. Whats strange is the very people claiming stuff "like nvidia sux (laughable, whatever) cause AMD is just so much better" are the same ones accusing others of trying to cause a flame war? The gig is up dude.

There is nothing i wish to take away from AMDs achievement although it appears some others would want to do this very thing to another company. AMDs has done well by increasing performance, but why take this opportunity to hate on nvidia?

Nah, he wasn't talking about your post, but about Apoppin's, I think (EDIT - sorry I didn't read the whole thread yet)

Both the GCN and Kepler are new architectures, so driver improvements are not unexpected.

Anyway, here are Alienbabeltech's review charts (the fancy charts were done by somebody else):

(original review http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=32344 with more details/resolutions)
The 7970 GE wins 31 times and the 680 wins 24 (according to Ocre's findings).

 

[Silverforce11]

Unfortunately the first big game MOH Warfighter which uses Frostbite 2 has been crucified by reviews.

http://asia.gamespot.com/medal-of-honor-warfighter/reviews/medal-of-honor-warfighter-review-6399013/

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/medal-of-honor-warfighter

They are all complaining about the short unexciting singleplayer missions... well seriously?? All these sites jizzed praises all over CoD, Black Ops and those were even shorter and more predictable and unexciting, i could feel i was playing a console port. BF3's singleplayer was heaps better than those and it was also bashed to death by reviewers..

Paid shills for CoD? I think so.

 

[Grooveriding]

This was his post, after all:



If you take out his posts stirring conversation his forum about this forum, that place be DEAD. I mostly read because at work I get bored and I like reading the drama. I'd admit if they stopped Mystery Science Theater 3000's this place, I'd probably stop reading their forums.

Why I really like Balla, as much as in your face he is, he's true to his roots. I'm enjoying his posts about politics. Go get em Balla!

EDIT: Haha,



I read his article, he calls me a tool? Damn, guess he admits to his own pandering. Such delicious irony. Oh my! haha.

I'll stop dragging mud into our home, just wanted to get my post across since I won't make an account there.

Not worth worrying about what he posts there, or even looking at his site. He's probably just stamping his feet and pissing his pants because AMD is winning most every benchmark with these new drivers.

His reviews come off as diatribes against AMD and nut hugging of nvidia. I don't think anyone objective can take him seriously. His reviews, benchmarks and conclusions are all questionable and pretty much garbage. The only positive is that his website is a good venue for those too emotionally invested in nvidia to go to and piss their pants, rather than pollute other forums with that garbage.

 

[BoFox]

Not worth worrying about what he posts there, or even looking at his site. He's probably just stamping his feet and pissing his pants because AMD is winning most every benchmark with these new drivers.

His reviews come off as diatribes against AMD and nut hugging of nvidia. I don't think anyone objective can take him seriously. His reviews, benchmarks and conclusions are all questionable and pretty much garbage. The only positive is that his website is a good venue for those too emotionally invested in nvidia to go to and piss their pants, rather than pollute other forums with that garbage.

Why is the most thorough driver comparison review on the internet garbage, when it shows 7970 GE beating GTX 680? Are you saying that it should be the other way around?

Look, the truth is that we are not "overly" emotionally invested in Nvidia, ok? We were really never that much of Nvidia fanboys to begin with, except for maybe one. I was against PhysX for a long while, and also against Nvidia's proprietary 3D Vision glasses that cost $200 for a while when I had several other S3D glasses for $10 a pair, working just as well.

To really hate anybody who likes Nvidia is a bit extreme, and a little silly too.

Most of us do like Radeon cards very much too, but the extreme hatred from the outrageous AMD loyalists is actually distorting things here. First, it causes Apoppin to no longer receive high-end Radeon cards from AMD for review, then it causes all kinds of flame wars (which it always did), and also paints us in green when most of us are actually neutral. Consistently painting everything in green makes other see us as green too, which is not the truth for most of us.

We do not HATE AMD enthusiasts like you appear to really, really, really hate Nvidia enthusiasts. I used to hate the ego of 6800 Ultra owners for gloating with "awesome" Doom3 speeds and with SLI support, while I only had a 9800 Pro at the time. That was, until I got both a 6800 Ultra and an X800XT All-In-Wonder. In fact, I was even happier with the X800XT AIW, because it was smaller, ran cooler, and had super-awesome TV tuner functions built-in, too, and was also faster overall anyways. Yes, the ego is very very hate-able. Just don't let it paint you all "red" with rage.

You guys do seem to be protected here with your affiliation, so carry on, and at least be happy.. let Apoppin get the Radeon cards for review again so that he can continue to do awesome reviews on them, which would be a far more effective job of promoting your cards than "pwning" the forums would ever do. Just because Apoppin refused to be a puppet for AMD, and just because he almost spoiled the launch of HD 7970 by warning you about Nvidia being smarter this time with the 28nm round, does not mean that you have to try to put him into oblivion, beyond the black hole into the Universe of ultimate destruction and wayyyy beyond, into hell for all eternity!!!!! And he's still doing a fine job as a reviewer. He's not perfect - even Anand himself says some bad things about AMD too. Apoppin said bad things about Nvidia too. And everybody here can see that Apoppin is still doing perfectly verifiable benchmarks (did anybody ever, EVER, disagree with his benchmark scores?????).

Guys!

 

[sze5003]

They are all complaining about the short unexciting singleplayer missions... well seriously?? All these sites jizzed praises all over CoD, Black Ops and those were even shorter and more predictable and unexciting, i could feel i was playing a console port. BF3's singleplayer was heaps better than those and it was also bashed to death by reviewers..

Paid shills for CoD? I think so.

I think moh warfighter is as long as the last one. Its short but I thought sp was decent. Same emotional connection to the characters as last time. I think the call of duty series individually was a little longer campaign, at least for me.

As for the beta drivers, I saw the performance increase but I didn't like how bf3 looked for me on ultra. It looked washed out kind of in really bright areas and extremely dusty in certain indoor spaces. I installed 12.10 to see if it is the same. I'll go back to 12.11 if it is. As for the idle problem, I have not had it happen, nor any issues with display going out.

 

[Red Hawk]

On the subject of ABT...I had forgotten about that site, so I went and read the latest review article there, 650 Ti review.

Guy reviewed it by mainly comparing it to an overclocked Radeon HD 7770, and conveniently left out any mention of the 6870, which goes for around $165 or lower if MIR, and the 6850, which goes for less than $150, both of which beat the 650 Ti in other reviews. He then says that the 650 Ti "destroys" the overclocked 7770 and acts like this is some sort of phenomenonal thing. No mention in his conclusion of how the 7850 -- you know, the harvested version of the chip that GK106 is actually slotted to compete with -- completely destroys the 650 Ti itself.

Okay, never bothering to visit that website again. I mean, I could register and counter-troll them there, but what would be the point of that?

 

[BoFox]

On the subject of ABT...I had forgotten about that site, so I went and read the latest review article there, 650 Ti review.

Guy reviewed it by mainly comparing it to an overclocked Radeon HD 7770, and conveniently left out any mention of the 6870, which goes for around $165 or lower if MIR, and the 6850, which goes for less than $150, both of which beat the 650 Ti in other reviews. He then says that the 650 Ti "destroys" the overclocked 7770 and acts like this is some sort of phenomenonal thing. No mention in his conclusion of how the 7850 -- you know, the harvested version of the chip that GK106 is actually slotted to compete with -- completely destroys the 650 Ti itself.

Okay, never bothering to visit that website again. I mean, I could register and counter-troll them there, but what would be the point of that?

The 6xxx cards are no longer in production (having been EOL'ed long before the review).

At the time of the review, the oc'ed 7770 retailed at the same price-point as GTX 650 Ti.

HD 7850 was cut in price *again* recently, right after the review. He showed it to perform so much better than the 650 Ti that it should be OBVIOUS, and he did mention it too.

If you had the red shades off, you would've noticed this in the conclusion:

The HD 7850 offers a lot of performance for its approximately $30 higher price than the GTX 650 Ti, and it also offers good overclockability.

Of course, you couldn't see the bolded part with red shades on.

Let's look at it the other way around - I could also bash the review if I had green shades on, and thought that Apoppin was favoring the 7850 too much over the 650 Ti in the benchmarks.

If your red shades stop you from reading his massive 28-game reviews, then you do not appreciate the hard worker who shows how a card performs in a vast suite of games, unlike some other popular reviewers who only cover 3-5 games and reach a sweeping conclusion. A true gamer appreciates the things that deserve appreciation.

 

[Red Hawk]

Hard work doesn't compensate for...well, incompetence. The fact of the matter is the 6800 series was available at the time of the review and it's still available. It is the only official AMD product that's directly priced against the 650 Ti -- the overclocked 7770 is not an official AMD product. If a review site is not being candid about products that are actually available then it's not worth my time or anyone's time.

I mean, if it was just a review comparing how this finishes up the Geforce 600 lineup compared to the Radeon 7000 series, it would be fine. Little odd to include a non-reference 7770, but fine. But no, his conclusion says the 650 Ti is great "bang for buck" and destroys the 7770 "in its price range" and ignores the existence of the 6800 series. Neither the 6800 series nor the 7850 are mentioned in the pros & cons rundown. It may not necessarily be a useless review, because all those benchmarks might be good for something, but I would go as far as to call it a misleading review.

But of course, you accuse me of having "red shades". Because clearly my opinions are determining what I see as facts, rather than just stating the facts as I see them. I must be another AMD marketer that snuck into VC&G.

EDIT: Ok, I will admit, he does mention the 7850 in his conclusion. What I meant is that he didn't mention it in his pros&cons and verdict. And he still makes no mention of the 6800 series at all.

 

[railven]

i think you got stuff a little backwards. Me? i just try to offer a little sanity at times, you know reality. Sorry, i'm not here to hype up a company or to bash another and i have never.

Besides, your deflections do little. People arent as stupid as you might think:

Deflection? I didn't know I was defending something, oh wait one of your comrades explains it:

D:

Anybody else been having this problem with something like a 7870? I guess not (definitely not here)..

Now, somebody report this problem to AMD engineers, not Edelman or the PR department!

I forgot, you guys over there think anyone here who is positive AMD-GPUs is compensated since, well, your site's author claims it, and has yet to provide proof and even when called on by his own readers provides zilch. Gotcha. Easier to accuse someone you don't agree with of being a shill/marketer than counter them. Take your own advice: People aren't as stupid as you might think.

Perhaps he was only speaking in general, about the 10 months thing, to see such a thorough overall driver performance gains. He didn't do driver update testing comparisons as often this year, so it was the only time that AMD got his clear attention as to a driver update that actually improves performance all across the suite (for 7xxx series only, though). So, I don't think that was such a threatening "axe" from Apoppin after all, so let's take it easy with your self-declared trolling attempts that you are apparently quite "confident" to do freely here on ATF without any bounds or restrictions for some reason.

He actually made the claim:

Unlike AMD's inept PR shills, i have been testing each catalyst release since i got my HD 7970 and the drivers' performance improvement up until 12-7 have mostly been game specific or bug fixes.

You claim otherwise and after searching the ABT articles history, I agree with you (not him) since I only found two articles with driver comparisons (and note, this recent driver comparison doesn't even compare previous releases which I found more useful than "Which driver release is better, AMD or nVidia!" since I have both cards it been useful to have numbers to look at versus "Believe me, I know" conclusions.) I guess we can assume he's been testing and not publishing his results, but then his claim means nothing outside of "believe me, I've done the work...proof, who needs it."

Ironically, you want me to take it easy with my trolling of your site, yet you've come here (and openly stated over there) to troll. How about we remember our glass homes.

Irony, it's always what that site reminds me of. If this work week is slow, I might take him up on his challenge and join that forum, it can use some more posters rather than the usual 5, don't you think

 

[chimaxi83]

Lol at that dead site. What ever happened to his proof of shills? Sad that most of the traffic there is probably us looking for laughs. At least Balla has a home :wub:

 

[exar333]

Lol at that dead site. What ever happened to his proof of shills? Sad that most of the traffic there is probably us looking for laughs. At least Balla has a home :wub:

AT is probably more pathetic right now. Can't even discuss a nice driver update without it turning into a flame war. Shills on both sides are destroying this forum.

 

[NIGELG]

Why is the most thorough driver comparison review on the internet garbage, when it shows 7970 GE beating GTX 680? Are you saying that it should be the other way around?

Look, the truth is that we are not "overly" emotionally invested in Nvidia, ok? We were really never that much of Nvidia fanboys to begin with, except for maybe one. I was against PhysX for a long while, and also against Nvidia's proprietary 3D Vision glasses that cost $200 for a while when I had several other S3D glasses for $10 a pair, working just as well.

To really hate anybody who likes Nvidia is a bit extreme, and a little silly too.

Most of us do like Radeon cards very much too, but the extreme hatred from the outrageous AMD loyalists is actually distorting things here. First, it causes Apoppin to no longer receive high-end Radeon cards from AMD for review, then it causes all kinds of flame wars (which it always did), and also paints us in green when most of us are actually neutral. Consistently painting everything in green makes other see us as green too, which is not the truth for most of us.

We do not HATE AMD enthusiasts like you appear to really, really, really hate Nvidia enthusiasts. I used to hate the ego of 6800 Ultra owners for gloating with "awesome" Doom3 speeds and with SLI support, while I only had a 9800 Pro at the time. That was, until I got both a 6800 Ultra and an X800XT All-In-Wonder. In fact, I was even happier with the X800XT AIW, because it was smaller, ran cooler, and had super-awesome TV tuner functions built-in, too, and was also faster overall anyways. Yes, the ego is very very hate-able. Just don't let it paint you all "red" with rage.

You guys do seem to be protected here with your affiliation, so carry on, and at least be happy.. let Apoppin get the Radeon cards for review again so that he can continue to do awesome reviews on them, which would be a far more effective job of promoting your cards than "pwning" the forums would ever do. Just because Apoppin refused to be a puppet for AMD, and just because he almost spoiled the launch of HD 7970 by warning you about Nvidia being smarter this time with the 28nm round, does not mean that you have to try to put him into oblivion, beyond the black hole into the Universe of ultimate destruction and wayyyy beyond, into hell for all eternity!!!!! And he's still doing a fine job as a reviewer. He's not perfect - even Anand himself says some bad things about AMD too. Apoppin said bad things about Nvidia too. And everybody here can see that Apoppin is still doing perfectly verifiable benchmarks (did anybody ever, EVER, disagree with his benchmark scores?????).

Guys!

I do not like to be quoted on that site.I said people who come into this thread to pee on the drivers/bundle who don't use and will never use said drivers/bundle should GTFO out of this thread;

He then calls me stupid.The guy should focus on his own site and stop reading and quoting this ''AMD shill infested site''He's like a jilted ex lover who keeps stalking his ex online and bad mouthing her.Good grief!!!

For the record I don't hate Nvidia or it's fans.I just can't stand the extreme fanatics.

 

[MTDEW]

AT is probably more pathetic right now. Can't even discuss a nice driver update without it turning into a flame war. Shills on both sides are destroying this forum.

Finally somebody said it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Anandtech VC&G is pretty much worthless anymore for sharing info or getting answers in any troubleshooting question posts.

 

[railven]

AT is probably more pathetic right now. Can't even discuss a nice driver update without it turning into a flame war. Shills on both sides are destroying this forum.

Finally somebody said it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Anandtech VC&G is pretty much worthless anymore for sharing info or getting answers in any troubleshooting question posts.

I'd have to disagree with this, to some degree. I've learned a good amount of different things from this site (how to properly OC kepler, RAM OC limitations, etc.)

However, I do agree that this place quickly turns into a "my team is better than you" orgy, but with such a high volume of posters - what you expect? Most forums I frequent have their in-fighting going on too.

I'll stick around here since I enjoy AT's articles and I'm not easily offended someone claims the card I use is something other than just the card I use.





On the side, I totally called it Pretty much another "believe me because I said so" conclusion. ROFL!

 

[NIGELG]

Finally somebody said it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Anandtech VC&G is pretty much worthless anymore for sharing info or getting answers in any troubleshooting question posts.

It would be better if there wasn't so much mistrust,name calling and threadcrapping.Flame wars will always be in big sites and circle jerking will be in small crap sites where it's hard to get new members to join.

But who doesn't like it could get the hell out and don't look back which is what Asspoppin can't seem to do....