AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

[thilanliyan]

Look, the truth is that we are not "overly" emotionally invested in Nvidia, ok? We were really never that much of Nvidia fanboys to begin with, except for maybe one.

I wholeheartedly disagree. There have been and there are some people here that are definitely emotionally invested in nvidia. The most extreme fanboys I have come across on this forum have been the nvidia ones...no idea why.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I wholeheartedly disagree. There have been and there are some people here that are definitely emotionally invested in nvidia. The most extreme fanboys I have come across on this forum have been the nvidia ones...no idea why.

:thumbsup:

 

[joe_H]

I just read on another forum that the problem is related to the use of DVI. Switching to hdmi fixes the problem.

I guess I'll have to wait for a fix then. HDMI isn't an option with my 1440p Shimian. :\

 

[Goresplattered]

I find bf3 loads about 5x as fast as it used to. I'd get into a game maybe with 1 sec to game start, now its 17-20 seconds. similar improvements when game ends and the recap screen pops up. another extra 15 seconds of time


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[ArchAngel777]

It has been a long time since I have used an AMD/ATI desktop part. But... I pulled the trigger on a 7970. It should be here on Wednesday. I have not had any problems with nVidia for quite a while, so here is hoping for a smooth transition... I am hoping for at least a 1100/1500 overclock. If I get even more, great.

The problem is... What do I do with my 480? Does anyone even want those anymore? It is fine card performance wise, but one needs to use a custom fan profile if they don't want the fan to do ridicuously loud cycling. I may give it to my Dad, if he can handle the noise.

 

[Spjut]

The problem is... What do I do with my 480? Does anyone even want those anymore? It is fine card performance wise, but one needs to use a custom fan profile if they don't want the fan to do ridicuously loud cycling. I may give it to my Dad, if he can handle the noise.

A bit overkill perhaps, but you could use it as a dedicated physx card


I'm currently debating with a friend regarding if he should get a HD 6870 or HD 7770.
He's leaning more towards the HD 7770 since it's a little cheaper, whereas I'm leaning more towards the 6870.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

My post cause a flame war????
seriously trying to go there?

lets see now:




i think you got stuff a little backwards. Me? i just try to offer a little sanity at times, you know reality. Sorry, i'm not here to hype up a company or to bash another and i have never.

Besides, your deflections do little. People arent as stupid as you might think:



i am not sure why some people try so hard to make dubious claims. The gains AMD made with the 12.11 driver are fantastic but i do not see the reason people want to make this some sort of Nvidia vs AMD battle. Whats strange is the very people claiming stuff "like nvidia sux (laughable, whatever) cause AMD is just so much better" are the same ones accusing others of trying to cause a flame war? The gig is up dude.

There is nothing i wish to take away from AMDs achievement although it appears some others would want to do this very thing to another company. AMDs has done well by increasing performance, but why take this opportunity to hate on nvidia?

The major issue you're glossing over is the fact that the so called "AMD shills" are not saying Nvidia sucks. They are saying AMD is better for the money. There are no shills here other than the admitted Nvidia ones.

I have owned voodoo 2, voodoo 3, geforce mx 440, 6800GT, 7800GT, 8800GTS 512mb, gtx260 Core216, 5870, and 7970. So obviously I'm an AMD shill. The difference between me now, and when I bought the 8800GTS is that I'm actually informed now. I bought the gtx260 when it was the best performance/price when I was in the market, and the trend continued in my last two purchases.

The only reason I may seem pro AMD on these forums is because I can't abide idiots, and people with this blind attachment to one brand are indeed idiots.

 

[ocre]

The major issue you're glossing over is the fact that the so called "AMD shills" are not saying Nvidia sucks. They are saying AMD is better for the money. There are no shills here other than the admitted Nvidia ones.

I have owned voodoo 2, voodoo 3, geforce mx 440, 6800GT, 7800GT, 8800GTS 512mb, gtx260 Core216, 5870, and 7970. So obviously I'm an AMD shill. The difference between me now, and when I bought the 8800GTS is that I'm actually informed now. I bought the gtx260 when it was the best performance/price when I was in the market, and the trend continued in my last two purchases.

The only reason I may seem pro AMD on these forums is because I can't abide idiots, and people with this blind attachment to one brand are indeed idiots.

Is that what you were saying? Man my reading comprehension must be terrible:whiste:

But you know what, I can totally agree those words in bold. AMD gives you more frames per dollar. I have no issues with that. For gaming, AMD gives you more bang for the buck and this is great.

But lets talk about the driver. I have no issue commending AMD for their driver achievement. I think its great to see them go that extra bit to bring out the 7000 series power. I dont think its too late. I would be happy to see these kind of increases 10months from now even. What a great sentiment that would be. Like if they brought out a driver increase for the 6000 series, i mean that would be fantastic.

I also think its ill spirit to say these drivers arent any good now because they are late. Its about as dumb as hearing ppl say that nvidia is late so there is no point. Its retarded. What I can say is that AMD would have been much better off with had they got these gains 10months ago. It would have been better for the company. but getting them now is not a negative at all. Its only a great thing. It brings more value to customers on top of the great value they already offer. But better is the fact that it brings performance to people who already bought the cards, amd it gives them performance for free.

This can only be a fantastic thing. How can anyone say otherwise?

Had this been what you were saying, i would be like, Whoa yeah! But it was not and you know it. You claim to not be a fanboy but you may be starting to slip. Letting yourself go? If nothing else please see this as a reminder your not this.

it is just getting tiring seeing such polarity these days. There has to be a few left that are sensible. Hope you see my reason and point. ttl

 

[96Firebird]

The problem is... What do I do with my 480? Does anyone even want those anymore? It is fine card performance wise, but one needs to use a custom fan profile if they don't want the fan to do ridicuously loud cycling. I may give it to my Dad, if he can handle the noise.

Unless you have another card besides the two, always keep a backup in case something happens to your main card. However, now that most motherboards support the iGPU, I guess that isn't necessary anymore. Depends on if you can/want to game on the iGPU, or if you can hold off gaming for a while.

 

[railven]

Is that what you were saying? Man my reading comprehension must be terrible:whiste:

But you know what, I can totally agree those words in bold. AMD gives you more frames per dollar. I have no issues with that. For gaming, AMD gives you more bang for the buck and this is great.

But lets talk about the driver. I have no issue commending AMD for their driver achievement. I think its great to see them go that extra bit to bring out the 7000 series power. I dont think its too late. I would be happy to see these kind of increases 10months from now even. What a great sentiment that would be. Like if they brought out a driver increase for the 6000 series, i mean that would be fantastic.

I also think its ill spirit to say these drivers arent any good now because they are late. Its about as dumb as hearing ppl say that nvidia is late so there is no point. Its retarded. What I can say is that AMD would have been much better off with had they got these gains 10months ago. It would have been better for the company. but getting them now is not a negative at all. Its only a great thing. It brings more value to customers on top of the great value they already offer. But better is the fact that it brings performance to people who already bought the cards, amd it gives them performance for free.

This can only be a fantastic thing. How can anyone say otherwise?

Had this been what you were saying, i would be like, Whoa yeah! But it was not and you know it. You claim to not be a fanboy but you may be starting to slip. Letting yourself go? If nothing else please see this as a reminder your not this.

it is just getting tiring seeing such polarity these days. There has to be a few left that are sensible. Hope you see my reason and point. ttl

Here is the logical fail in your post, using your own post:

1) "I also think its ill spirit to say these drivers arent any good now because they are late."
2) "Its about as dumb as hearing ppl say that nvidia is late so there is no point."

Now, you said claiming any of those two is "retarded." Again, you're own post. Yet, you follow up with:

3) "What I can say is that AMD would have been much better off with had they got these gains 10months ago."

Hmmm...well of course AMD and it's users would have benefited from this 10 months ago, same as nVidia and their users would have benefited from releasing earlier. So, are we at the point of "retarded" yet?

You presented your point, stepped on it, then bowed. Awesome.

And what's with the 10 month point, yet again, since even the other site noted performance boosts in the Cata 12.7 Beta which were released in June - did those not exist. Oh yeah, he tested them all, but he doesn't have validation. I forgot. "Believe me because I said so!"

But at this point, I'm not making any friends

 

[ArchAngel777]

Unless you have another card besides the two, always keep a backup in case something happens to your main card. However, now that most motherboards support the iGPU, I guess that isn't necessary anymore. Depends on if you can/want to game on the iGPU, or if you can hold off gaming for a while.

I already have three backup cards, an 8800GT, 8800GTS 512 and a 280 GTX. But that was a good idea, especially for those who do not have a backup card.

 

[railven]

Unless you have another card besides the two, always keep a backup in case something happens to your main card. However, now that most motherboards support the iGPU, I guess that isn't necessary anymore. Depends on if you can/want to game on the iGPU, or if you can hold off gaming for a while.

Gotta agree with that statement. I held on to a 9800 GTX+ for almost half a decade and still used it during down times. I just retired it this year, but I also ran it in my main rig while I was waiting for my HD 7970 to arrive.

 

[96Firebird]

Yeah my "backup" card is being used in my "HTPC" (old computer), 8800GT 512MB. Still going strong, not bad for a single-slot card bought in late 2007/early 2008.

Ok back on topic...

 

[NIGELG]

Yeah my "backup" card is being used in my "HTPC" (old computer), 8800GT 512MB. Still going strong, not bad for a single-slot card bought in late 2007/early 2008.

Ok back on topic...

I admire cards that can last long and be put to use after being retired from gaming.I sell my old cards because I'm a one computer kind of guy.

 

[Meghan54]

The major issue you're glossing over is the fact that the so called "AMD shills" are not saying Nvidia sucks. They are saying AMD is better for the money. There are no shills here other than the admitted Nvidia ones.

Wait a minute.....apoppin swears there are paid AMD shills on this board. He even says, over and over, he's got a list of names and proof they're paid AMD shills.

Of course, we've never seen either the list or the proof. Guess you have to be in the inner circle to actually see either.

 

[SirPauly]

I'd have to disagree with this, to some degree. I've learned a good amount of different things from this site (how to properly OC kepler, RAM OC limitations, etc.)

However, I do agree that this place quickly turns into a "my team is better than you" orgy, but with such a high volume of posters - what you expect? Most forums I frequent have their in-fighting going on too.

It is everywhere to me, but the chaos translates into two companies being relevant, while bringing compelling and strong competition. It's nothing new really.

One of my favorite threads was in this forum -- the TXAA Secret World thread. With gamers offering their investigations, views, pros-and-cons, some chaos and did bring Timothy Lottes into the discussion; to share some insight from developers to engineering.

Forums are like mine-fields at times, just have to try to dodge or ignore the mines.

AMD offers performance leadership with single GPU's, while delivering impressive price/performance -- speaks for itself. It's been very entertaining to see how the IHV's react and try to out do each other -- fight hard to improve performance, efficiency, quality, tool sets, flexibility, immersion and gaming experience potential so they can garner performance and technology leadership, while providing solid revenue, profits and margins for their respective companies.

 

[exar333]

The major issue you're glossing over is the fact that the so called "AMD shills" are not saying Nvidia sucks. They are saying AMD is better for the money. There are no shills here other than the admitted Nvidia ones.

I have owned voodoo 2, voodoo 3, geforce mx 440, 6800GT, 7800GT, 8800GTS 512mb, gtx260 Core216, 5870, and 7970. So obviously I'm an AMD shill. The difference between me now, and when I bought the 8800GTS is that I'm actually informed now. I bought the gtx260 when it was the best performance/price when I was in the market, and the trend continued in my last two purchases.

The only reason I may seem pro AMD on these forums is because I can't abide idiots, and people with this blind attachment to one brand are indeed idiots.

I partially agree. Back 9 months ago, every other thread was (1) 7950/7970 users who paid a lot for their fast GPUs and (2) 580/480 users bickering back and forth before Kepler was released.

I purchased my 670 right when they were released and got a better deal (for my uses) for the $$$ vs. what was available from AMD. 2 Months ago, however, when building a new gaming rig for a family member, the 7950 was significantly cheaper and a better buy.

The fanboism is OUT OF HAND on both sides. No one side is better or worse IMHO. If it's not a 'call out; thread, it is worded in a subtle way as to invoke a flame war, such as constantly cherry-picking benches to suit a specific purpose.

It's time for me to take a break from VC&G and hope it gets better. Its so hard to have a rational discussion at all.

Who turns a thread that talks about almost double-digit performance increases FOR FREE, without IQ loss, in a negative light? I don't get it!

 

[ocre]

Here is the logical fail in your post, using your own post:

1) "I also think its ill spirit to say these drivers arent any good now because they are late."
2) "Its about as dumb as hearing ppl say that nvidia is late so there is no point."

Now, you said claiming any of those two is "retarded." Again, you're own post. Yet, you follow up with:

3) "What I can say is that AMD would have been much better off with had they got these gains 10months ago."

Hmmm...well of course AMD and it's users would have benefited from this 10 months ago, same as nVidia and their users would have benefited from releasing earlier. So, are we at the point of "retarded" yet?

You presented your point, stepped on it, then bowed. Awesome.

And what's with the 10 month point, yet again, since even the other site noted performance boosts in the Cata 12.7 Beta which were released in June - did those not exist. Oh yeah, he tested them all, but he doesn't have validation. I forgot. "Believe me because I said so!"

But at this point, I'm not making any friends

fail in my logic? hahaha. Tell me this is another one of those looking for drama moments.

if not......
Dont jump to conclusions just cause your not getting it. You have to think of things on a larger scale and not in a single dimension. I will try to simplify this for you.

A) to say these drivers are pointless because they are 10 months late is retarded for so many reasons i care not to list again.
B) AMD could have benefited greatly had they got this performance months ago.

Both A and B are correct. A does not make B untrue and nor does B make A untrue. To further bring this revolutionary thought process home for you i might add.... it is great for AMD to pull off this kind of performance increase just as it would have been great them doing it months ago. I think AMD will benefit from these improvements and if they had came out earlier they would have been benefiting now for some time. Which i would think you should agree on? unless somehow you still dont get it and find some way to confuse/spin what i say into something negative.

but seriously i hope not. Geez Louise .
I am saying that these drivers are fan-freakn-tastic and i am glad they could achieve this. Had they done so long ago, it is my opinion that they wouldve raked in loads of success by now. I am saying things couldve been even better for AMD. But this does not take away from the achievement, it is just my opinion on the 10 month comment. I still think that this monumental achievement will benefit them from here on out. I think that it should help them gain momentum for the holidays and drive sales up. We all should tip our hats to that!

 

[3DVagabond]

Why is the most thorough driver comparison review on the internet garbage, when it shows 7970 GE beating GTX 680? Are you saying that it should be the other way around?

Because apoppin has no credibility.

Look, the truth is that we are not "overly" emotionally invested in Nvidia, ok? We were really never that much of Nvidia fanboys to begin with, except for maybe one. I was against PhysX for a long while, and also against Nvidia's proprietary 3D Vision glasses that cost $200 for a while when I had several other S3D glasses for $10 a pair, working just as well.

apoppin is biased, pure and simple. Please don't bring up that years ago he was pro AMD like he does anytime someone calls him out.

Most of us do like Radeon cards very much too, but the extreme hatred from the outrageous AMD loyalists is actually distorting things here. First, it causes Apoppin to no longer receive high-end Radeon cards from AMD for review, then it causes all kinds of flame wars (which it always did), and also paints us in green when most of us are actually neutral. Consistently painting everything in green makes other see us as green too, which is not the truth for most of us.

I don't know about "most of you", I don't go to ABT. I read a couple of reviews and that was enough for me to decide that apoppin is terribly biased. The only way I know that anyone else goes there is when they come here and try and defend apoppin.

I know apoppin doesn't like AMD cards, and neither do you.

I would be surprised if even one person here hates apoppin, you, or anyone else on either of the boards. Not respecting someone's opinion and extreme hatred are not the same thing.

Has apoppin actually convinced you that somehow it's AMD fanbois that have made AMD stop sending him cards? What happens to apoppin is apoppin's fault. The sooner he realizes it the better off he will be.
I recall apoppin going into a tirade because he couldn't get an AMD review sample warrantied (a 6990 IIRC). At that time he threatened to blackmail AMD with this information he had proving that AMD engages in ninja marketing and has shills, etc... He was told that the problem he had was a motherboard incompatibility, but he ranted on. In the end he found out that there was indeed a mobo incompatibility. Then he didn't get some review sample (the 7970?) when it was released. ABT wasn't the only site, but he again went into his rant threatening to reveal all this dirt on AMD. So, he published this story he claims are actual events that happened some years ago and claimed there were members here who are paid AMD marketing shills. None of which he had any proof of. Yet, you expect members here, who aren't nVidia fanbois, to have any respect for ABT? Somehow you see apoppin as the victim when the real victims are those who he slandered. If I had read his reviews and read his rant, I wouldn't send apoppin samples either if I were AMD.

We do not HATE AMD enthusiasts like you appear to really, really, really hate Nvidia enthusiasts. I used to hate the ego of 6800 Ultra owners for gloating with "awesome" Doom3 speeds and with SLI support, while I only had a 9800 Pro at the time. That was, until I got both a 6800 Ultra and an X800XT All-In-Wonder. In fact, I was even happier with the X800XT AIW, because it was smaller, ran cooler, and had super-awesome TV tuner functions built-in, too, and was also faster overall anyways. Yes, the ego is very very hate-able. Just don't let it paint you all "red" with rage.

I don't see any hatred for someone's brand leanings at all on these boards. I have seen some really strong disagreements and people calling each other names that creates a genuine dislike though. Don't confuse that with someone being hated because they have a brand preference. That's merely being a crybaby and will not endear you to anyone. Also you owning and liking an ATI card 8 years ago doesn't make your opinion valid today. It's like someone being accused of being a bigot and him thinking because he "has a black friend" he is exempt for his views.

You guys do seem to be protected here with your affiliation, so carry on, and at least be happy.. let Apoppin get the Radeon cards for review again so that he can continue to do awesome reviews on them, which would be a far more effective job of promoting your cards than "pwning" the forums would ever do. Just because Apoppin refused to be a puppet for AMD, and just because he almost spoiled the launch of HD 7970 by warning you about Nvidia being smarter this time with the 28nm round, does not mean that you have to try to put him into oblivion, beyond the black hole into the Universe of ultimate destruction and wayyyy beyond, into hell for all eternity!!!!! And he's still doing a fine job as a reviewer. He's not perfect - even Anand himself says some bad things about AMD too. Apoppin said bad things about Nvidia too. And everybody here can see that Apoppin is still doing perfectly verifiable benchmarks (did anybody ever, EVER, disagree with his benchmark scores?????).

Guys!

WTF? This whole last section is purely delusional. It's schizophrenic and paranoid to think like this.

Who is protecting anyone and why do we need protection?
Should I be concerned for my well being from whoever it is I'm being protected from?
Who are "we" affiliated with?
How are we stopping apoppin from getting AMD cards and who is doing it?
apoppin did what? Almost spoiled the 7970 launch? Again, delusional. apoppin isn't in any position to spoil anything. He's a very small fish in a very big ocean.
Who is trying to destroy apoppin over here? Again it's paranoid delusion. The "AMD fanbois" never bring him up. It's always one of his minions that brings him up and when it's received with disdain, typically by someone who he singled out as a shill, then somehow apoppin and his follower are the victims.

 

[railven]

fail in my logic? hahaha. Tell me this is another one of those looking for drama moments.

if not......
Dont jump to conclusions just cause your not getting it. You have to think of things on a larger scale and not in a single dimension. I will try to simplify this for you.

A) to say these drivers are pointless because they are 10 months late is retarded for so many reasons i care not to list again.
B) AMD could have benefited greatly had they got this performance months ago.

Both A and B are correct. A does not make B untrue and nor does B make A untrue. To further bring this revolutionary thought process home for you i might add.... it is great for AMD to pull off this kind of performance increase just as it would have been great them doing it months ago. I think AMD will benefit from these improvements and if they had came out earlier they would have been benefiting now for some time. Which i would think you should agree on? unless somehow you still dont get it and find some way to confuse/spin what i say into something negative.

but seriously i hope not. Geez Louise .
I am saying that these drivers are fan-freakn-tastic and i am glad they could achieve this. Had they done so long ago, it is my opinion that they wouldve raked in loads of success by now. I am saying things couldve been even better for AMD. But this does not take away from the achievement, it is just my opinion on the 10 month comment. I still think that this monumental achievement will benefit them from here on out. I think that it should help them gain momentum for the holidays and drive sales up. We all should tip our hats to that!

Well then, since you want to use revolutionary talk let's try again, to your points above, like I said in my first post.

A) D'uh
B) D'uh

There, now we're both getting towards a level of retarded where stating something obvious means something revolutionary such as: "derp, if nVidia released sooner they wouldn't be late." or "derp, if Nvidia released sooner, they would have been more successful."

Mind blown!

From my perspective what you did above, some people did to nVidia (I being one of them, had they released sooner - more ponies and kittens for all through competition, which is where we are now), but you said "doing so is retarded" indirectly, yet you felt inclined to do it to AMD - which was my point.

By all means, swap around the words nVidia and AMD in my post, then you'll be with me - mind blown

 

[NIGELG]

I could put up with Appopidiot's rantings if he didn't always link to this site he claims he hates so much but follows like a stalker and if he didn't insult members here on his absurd,woeful site.

Anyhow I'll enjoy my AMD card that I will pay for and my free games too.It should be a huge upgrade from my now long in the tooth 5850.

 

[blastingcap]

I didn't even know he was still around. He was annoying when he'd come around here prancing around advertising his site... it's like, come on dude, there is a classy way to do that and a not-so-classy way to do that. He was rude to many people and yet ironically and hypocritically he had the thinnest skin ever.

I don't think he's obsessed with this forum so much as he gets little traffic in his echo chamber of a forum and not much attention to his main site either. If you lived in a one-horse town, you'd want to tune in to the radio to hear what was happening in the City, too.

P.S. Apoppin if you are still reading this forum, you still owe apologies to a lot of people for how you behaved near the end. It doesn't matter if some people were mean to you, as a website owner you have to learn to grow a skin and take the high road instead of indiscriminately smearing a lot of people as liars or worse. A lot of people weren't even attacking you personally, but you seemed to take things personally and saw enemies everywhere.

 

[BoFox]

I wholeheartedly disagree. There have been and there are some people here that are definitely emotionally invested in nvidia. The most extreme fanboys I have come across on this forum have been the nvidia ones...no idea why.

Oh, I was wrong about there being just one - I mean two, not one, haha!

"No idea why" carries no logic to it. Perhaps you came across a bunch of 15-year old teenage boys who regularly made love with their Nvidia retail boxes, that I do not know about? I can't see everything that goes on here on ATF, but what I have seen so far is rather extreme on the side you seem to be on. I think I can speak objectively since I'm usually in the middle, able to see both sides fairly well.

We just need two ATI "exclusive loyalists" over at ABT, to balance things out. Just not an undisclosed shill or a spammer spreading misinformation, that's all.

 

[NIGELG]

We just need two ATI "exclusive loyalists" over at ABT, to balance things out. Just not an undisclosed shill or a spammer spreading misinformation, that's all.

Hardly anybody new wants to join your site in my view.How many active posters are there...less than ten or twenty??

I'm almost sure you can count the active posters on two hands if you try hard.

 

[BoFox]

Because apoppin has no credibility.



apoppin is biased, pure and simple. Please don't bring up that years ago he was pro AMD like he does anytime someone calls him out.




I don't know about "most of you", I don't go to ABT. I read a couple of reviews and that was enough for me to decide that apoppin is terribly biased. The only way I know that anyone else goes there is when they come here and try and defend apoppin.

I know apoppin doesn't like AMD cards, and neither do you.

I would've liked Radeon cards much better if it were not for the likes of you putting out such a negative and malicious vibe surrounding Radeon cards. It's like having a beautiful and sexy wife, but she nags you to death every day about you being an ugly troll. Eventually, you just end up not liking her.

I would be surprised if even one person here hates apoppin, you, or anyone else on either of the boards. Not respecting someone's opinion and extreme hatred are not the same thing.

Thanks, and hope you guys keep this in mind. It's very easy for hatred to creep in like usual.

Has apoppin actually convinced you that somehow it's AMD fanbois that have made AMD stop sending him cards? What happens to apoppin is apoppin's fault. The sooner he realizes it the better off he will be.
I recall apoppin going into a tirade because he couldn't get an AMD review sample warrantied (a 6990 IIRC). At that time he threatened to blackmail AMD with this information he had proving that AMD engages in ninja marketing and has shills, etc... He was told that the problem he had was a motherboard incompatibility, but he ranted on. In the end he found out that there was indeed a mobo incompatibility. Then he didn't get some review sample (the 7970?) when it was released. ABT wasn't the only site, but he again went into his rant threatening to reveal all this dirt on AMD. So, he published this story he claims are actual events that happened some years ago and claimed there were members here who are paid AMD marketing shills. None of which he had any proof of. Yet, you expect members here, who aren't nVidia fanbois, to have any respect for ABT? Somehow you see apoppin as the victim when the real victims are those who he slandered. If I had read his reviews and read his rant, I wouldn't send apoppin samples either if I were AMD.

Whoa, you are the one who really remembers a laundry list of everything Apoppin could've done to piss off AMD's same PR who blatantly lied to the public about Bulldozer having 2 billion instead of 1.2 billion trannies. Even Dave Baumann himself said that it was a PR decision (EDIT: which AT, not ABT exploited - why not hate AT with the same intensity for this?)

So, YOU are the one who carries all of that baggage. At least you're one of the few.. well, that's a lot of baggage.

I cannot command you to drop the baggage. It has to come from within. Are you going to be forgiving and give him a second chance for whatever "slights"? Maybe he was just having a bad day with the 6990 not working with his mobo? He actually has the customer's best interest at heart, when it comes to warranty. If AMD states the AUSUM (BIOS 2 switch) clock at 880 MHz for their 6990 on their official specs page, they should at least warranty that clock for the customers. Isn't it nice to have Apoppin review the products with the customer in mind, first and foremost? This is the essence of a good quality review that is not afraid to cover any subject concerning the matter at hand.

I don't see any hatred for someone's brand leanings at all on these boards. I have seen some really strong disagreements and people calling each other names that creates a genuine dislike though. Don't confuse that with someone being hated because they have a brand preference. That's merely being a crybaby and will not endear you to anyone. Also you owning and liking an ATI card 8 years ago doesn't make your opinion valid today. It's like someone being accused of being a bigot and him thinking because he "has a black friend" he is exempt for his views.

Difficult to follow, sorry. Too much obscure philosophy wayyyy off the tangent, don't ya think? Save yourself some trouble and let's not delve that far into the dark woods, getting lost.

WTF? This whole last section is purely delusional. It's schizophrenic and paranoid to think like this.

Who is protecting anyone and why do we need protection?
Should I be concerned for my well being from whoever it is I'm being protected from?
Who are "we" affiliated with?
How are we stopping apoppin from getting AMD cards and who is doing it?
apoppin did what? Almost spoiled the 7970 launch? Again, delusional. apoppin isn't in any position to spoil anything. He's a very small fish in a very big ocean.
Who is trying to destroy apoppin over here? Again it's paranoid delusion. The "AMD fanbois" never bring him up. It's always one of his minions that brings him up and when it's received with disdain, typically by someone who he singled out as a shill, then somehow apoppin and his follower are the victims.

You just tried with your own paragraphs to destroy Apoppin all over in the very same post above. YOU - look in the mirror and see what it looks like. Ok, here's a small piece of mirror, that I'm putting right in front of your eyes, quoting you: "Yet, you expect members here, who aren't nVidia fanbois, to have any respect for ABT? Somehow you see apoppin as the victim when the real victims are those who he slandered. If I had read his reviews and read his rant, I wouldn't send apoppin samples either if I were AMD." ARGH! Did the mirror drive you nuts in realizing that it was YOU? No, I'm not the delusional one here like you called me, nor schizo or anything.

And you're the one who's protected here, able to talk nonsense like that, with the very likes of you causing him to say this:

Finally somebody said it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Anandtech VC&G is pretty much worthless anymore for sharing info or getting answers in any troubleshooting question posts.

Now, you're probably thinking that "Oh, if I could only get rid of the last few Nvidia enthusiasts still lingering around here...", that your glass home would be the perfect place for a lovely "circle" gathering - never minding that "ATF is pretty much worthless" thanks to your rampant efforts. Or do you want to give Apoppin a friendly handshake as a civil GPU enthusiast without carrying this over-blown baggage and letting it bother you deep down inside for as long as ABT exists?

Truce? Peace, I hope? Or, do I have to bend over in this pipe dream here?