AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

[railven]

Yes, extremely laughable seeing how the latest Nvidia drivers, no matter how hard you try, will not run a Radeon. No comparison there. And the 12.11's are merely 10 months of overdue performance and architecture tweaks culminated in one driver. As I have read, there is about a 17%? is it? increase in performance from launch til now for the 7xxx series. Not bad at all but also expected. I'll take several Nvidia driver updates at 2% each and not complain. They add up.

seriously? troll much?
its like wow, every single thing you said is a joke. To start off with, nvidia's "response driver" is no such thing. Its been months in the making and as much as you would love for them to create entirely new drivers in as little as 24hrs, its completely impossible. This is totally false. Nvidia did not create their driver in spite of AMDs 12.11, sorry pal.

then the "using the largest increase". Yeah, thats kinda what "up to" means. Its the highest you can expect in the specific case they specify. AMD uses the best case claims in every release note and in all their marketing to. Even in the 12.11 case. Nvidia is doing nothing out of the ordinary, again sorry pal.

I know your just looking for the drama but your really reaching for substance. Misleading and manipulating. Besides, we all are impressed with AMDs results. They got solid gains from top to the bottom. There is no reason to try to start a flame war. Sorry pal

Haha reading those two back to back made me laugh.

AMD - months of work ~7% perf increase with up to ~30% increase in specific examples
nVidia - months of work ~2% perf increase with up to ~15% increase in specific examples.

Haha, why do you guys even have to bother trying to defend nVidia in a pro-AMD thread? You guys think people actually care? Separate the forums and we'd see this kind of stuff happening regardless.

Agendas met!

 

[Keysplayr]

Haha reading those two back to back made me laugh.

AMD - months of work ~7% perf increase with up to ~30% increase in specific examples
nVidia - months of work ~2% perf increase with up to ~15% increase in specific examples.

Haha, why do you guys even have to bother trying to defend nVidia in a pro-AMD thread? You guys think people actually care? Separate the forums and we'd see this kind of stuff happening regardless.

Agendas met!

Glad to amuse you. Why are you comparing Nvidia driver to AMD driver anyway? Or whoever was?

 

[AdamK47]

Look at the release notes for Nvidia's "response" driver. They averaged 2% in a bunch of irrelevant games, and 15% in a game that is ridiculously old that no one plays. It's not a response, and they advertised it as such by creatively only using the largest increase in the oldest game to paint it in a more positive light. The new Nvidia drivers are laughable compared to 12.11 cats.

At lest The Chronicles of Riddick Assault on Dark Athena runs on nVidia hardware. Just tried it on my 7970s with the 12.11 drivers and the game won't even start. Have to use an atioglxx.dll driver from a previous driver to get it running. AMD/ATI has always been horrible with OpenGL.

 

[railven]

Glad to amuse you. Why are you comparing Nvidia driver to AMD driver anyway? Or whoever was?

Why you asking me? Ask yourself, Ocre, Vulgar, and etc

And we all need some laughs, especially around here. Y SO SRS?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Yes, extremely laughable seeing how the latest Nvidia drivers, no matter how hard you try, will not run a Radeon. No comparison there. And the 12.11's are merely 10 months of overdue performance and architecture tweaks culminated in one driver. As I have read, there is about a 17%? is it? increase in performance from launch til now for the 7xxx series. Not bad at all but also expected. I'll take several Nvidia driver updates at 2% each and not complain. They add up.

10 months of overdue performance? I've had great performance since release. You call it overdue performance, I call it icing on the cake, and confirmation that I made the right choice when I bought my GPU.

 

[Rvenger]

Yes, extremely laughable seeing how the latest Nvidia drivers, no matter how hard you try, will not run a Radeon. No comparison there. And the 12.11's are merely 10 months of overdue performance and architecture tweaks culminated in one driver. As I have read, there is about a 17%? is it? increase in performance from launch til now for the 7xxx series. Not bad at all but also expected. I'll take several Nvidia driver updates at 2% each and not complain. They add up.

First of all it takes forever to optimize a new architecture such as GCN. Nvidia has this architecture optimized from Fermi and I don't notice anything substantial from even the launch drivers. I think the performance is tapped out on Kepler IMO. Now I wish we had GK110.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

seriously? troll much?
its like wow, every single thing you said is a joke. To start off with, nvidia's "response driver" is no such thing. Its been months in the making and as much as you would love for them to create entirely new drivers in as little as 24hrs, its completely impossible. This is totally false. Nvidia did not create their driver in spite of AMDs 12.11, sorry pal.

then the "using the largest increase". Yeah, thats kinda what "up to" means. Its the highest you can expect in the specific case they specify. AMD uses the best case claims in every release note and in all their marketing to. Even in the 12.11 case. Nvidia is doing nothing out of the ordinary, again sorry pal.

I know your just looking for the drama but your really reaching for substance. Misleading and manipulating. Besides, we all are impressed with AMDs results. They got solid gains from top to the bottom. There is no reason to try to start a flame war. Sorry pal

Most epic example or poor reading comprehension in history. Sorry you can't read pal.

I even stated, "It's not a response driver." Clear as day. I have no idea what you think you read with your green colored glasses. I think your ill informed inflammatory post is more likely to start a flame war then anything posted by me.

 

[Keysplayr]

First of all it takes forever to optimize a new architecture such as GCN. Nvidia has this architecture optimized from Fermi and I don't notice anything substantial from even the launch drivers. I think the performance is tapped out on Kepler IMO. Now I wish we had GK110.

If the performance was tapped out there wouldn't even be the minimal 2% gain.
There is always room for improvement as we can both see.

 

[3DVagabond]

Haha, why do you guys even have to bother trying to defend nVidia in a pro-AMD thread? You guys think people actually care? Separate the forums and we'd see this kind of stuff happening regardless.

Agendas met!

Every time I see someone suggest separate forums I think the same thing. What difference would that make? It's not like fanbois would stay out of each others forums.



So, these drivers are too late, by some peoples estimation? It's OK for nVidia to release the hardware 8mos. after it's competition, and that's not late?

It didn't take 10mos. for AMD to improve performance. They've been doing that right along. This one here just wipes out BF3 and that's really hurting team green's marketing. You know the one that says any game AMD is better in is just a crap game? The only game that really matters is BF3.

 

[railven]

10 months of overdue performance? I've had great performance since release. You call it overdue performance, I call it icing on the cake, and confirmation that I made the right choice when I bought my GPU.

First of all it takes forever to optimize a new architecture such as GCN. Nvidia has this architecture optimized from Fermi and I don't notice anything substantial from even the launch drivers. I think the performance is tapped out on Kepler IMO. Now I wish we had GK110.

I just saw someone else use the 10 month rolled into one comment, so I see where he got it from - guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Then I saw this image he refferred to earlier:

I remember the 12.7 betas being the cat's meow, which delivered a 23% boost over launch (6 months, since everyone likes to use the hard launch month of January), and now the 12.11 improve on that 23% by adding another 8% based on that chart.

So I guess AMD didn't roll out any performance boost until now, or the of course, the agenda driven creator of the 10 month comment is still bitter about not having free Radeon's to bench.

Hmmm...

 

[blastingcap]

At lest The Chronicles of Riddick Assault on Dark Athena runs on nVidia hardware. Just tried it on my 7970s with the 12.11 drivers and the game won't even start. Have to use an atioglxx.dll driver from a previous driver to get it running. AMD/ATI has always been horrible with OpenGL.

This is a very important point. Stability is very important to some of us. I must have decent reliability. I would not install drivers that gave 10% extra perf if it also meant 10% more CTD/BSOD/other such problems. At the >25% range, maaaaaybe, and I speak only for myself on that number. But stability matters a lot to some of us.

 

[railven]

This is a very important point. Stability is very important to some of us. I must have decent reliability. I would not install drivers that gave 10% extra perf if it also meant 10% more CTD/BSOD/other such problems. At the >25% range, maaaaaybe, and I speak only for myself on that number. But stability matters a lot to some of us.

Totally agree with this. Why the 12.6 betas were uninstalled due to the overscan/underscan issue. Sure it was a minute nuisance, but it's one I could do without and not miss the ~2% boost from 12.4 to 12.6 based on that chart.

Thankfully 12.7 fixed and had a noticeable boost.

 

[notty22]

The review of the AMD driver here at Anands states a avg of 5%. Imo, we have some people piling in the extra clocking of the GHZ and turbo editions with the driver increases, and declaring it's all driver optimization. When in fact the cards are now clocked over 10+% faster than launch cards.

At 1920x1200 we’re seeing a roughly 5% across the board performance improvement for both the 7970 and the 7950. Everything except Starcraft II sees at least a marginal improvement here, with Starcraft II being the lone exception due to the previous issues we’ve run into with the 1.5 patch. The 7770 also sees some gains here but they aren’t quite as great as with AMD’s other cards; the average gain is just 4% at 1680x1050, with gains in individual games being shallower on the 7770 than they are on other cards.
Interestingly even on the 7970 the largest gains are at 1920x1200 and not 2560x1600. The latter is the more GPU-limited resolution and that’s where we’d typically expect to see the largest gains, but that’s not what’s happening here. Most likely AMD’s performance improvements are targeting shading/texturing performance rather than ROP/memory performance, in which case the highest resolutions where we’re already more likely to be ROP/memory bound would be the resolutions least likely to benefit.

 

[tweakboy]

I heard this release 12.11 on ,,, is not coded by the intern programming team.


So dont worry about BSODs or other CCC anamolies.

 

[railven]

The review of the AMD driver here at Anands states a avg of 5%. Imo, we have some people piling in the extra clocking of the GHZ and turbo editions with the driver increases, and declaring it's all driver optimization. When in fact the cards are now clocked over 10+% faster than launch cards.

I saw 20% gain in the TPU review and it compared GHZ to GHZ [EDIT: specifically for WoW]. I think any of the 10%+ gains are game specific. TPU shows, what 7% or less average?

20% gain for me is welcomed!

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The review of the AMD driver here at Anands states a avg of 5%. Imo, we have some people piling in the extra clocking of the GHZ and turbo editions with the driver increases, and declaring it's all driver optimization. When in fact the cards are now clocked over 10+% faster than launch cards.

Most reviews came up with 5-10%. It varied wildly due to different IQ settings. The really important one was BF3. A lot of the other games gave the Radeons a 5% boost in games they were already leading, but gaining back all that ground in BF3 was the real shocker that no one saw coming.

 

[balane]

I really wish I could get these to work right on my computer. I don't know why I'm having problems. I've tried a few different installs and I get the below problems. I've done a full clean install each time with a driver sweep in safe mode. 12.10 works without any of these problems.

1.) My computer is set to turn off the display after 10 minutes of no computer use. Not sleep mode, just shutting off the display. About 80% of the time the display will not turn back on with activity. I can hear Windows noises in the background but the display will absolutely not reactivate. The only fix is a complete system reboot.

2.) About half the time with these drivers Windows will not start. When I go to turn on my computer I will get the option to boot into Windows or do a start up repair. Either option will continually cause the computer to reboot back into this same option over and over. My only fix is to turn off the PSU and let it sit for a while, then it will boot into Windows safe mode and finally into regular with a reboot from there.

This is frustrating because I very much like the performance gains that 12.11 gives. All I can do now is wait for the 12.11 final drivers to be released and hope my issues go away. These are the first AMD drivers I've had issue with in a very, very long time.

 

[DiogoDX]

The review of the AMD driver here at Anands states a avg of 5%. Imo, we have some people piling in the extra clocking of the GHZ and turbo editions with the driver increases, and declaring it's all driver optimization. When in fact the cards are now clocked over 10+% faster than launch cards.

If you read the release notes and compare it with the games tested by anand you will see why the average increase was 5%.

just for reminding:

Performance Highlights of the AMD CATALYST 12.11 BETA Driver
10%-15% more performance in Battlefield 3 in most cases
More than 20% in certain missions and sequences (Comrades)
Up to 7% more performance in Metro 2033
Up to 10% more performance in DIRT Showdown
Up to 8% more performance in Sleeping Dogs
Up to 12% more performance in Civilization V
Up to 10% more performance in StarCraft II
Up to 8% more performance in Sniper Elite: V2

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I really wish I could get these to work right on my computer. I don't know why I'm having problems. I've tried a few different installs and I get the below problems. I've done a full clean install each time with a driver sweep in safe mode. 12.10 works without any of these problems.

1.) My computer is set to turn off the display after 10 minutes of no computer use. Not sleep mode, just shutting off the display. About 80% of the time the display will not turn back on with activity. I can hear Windows noises in the background but the display will absolutely not reactivate. The only fix is a complete system reboot.

2.) About half the time with these drivers Windows will not start. When I go to turn on my computer I will get the option to boot into Windows or do a start up repair. Either option will continually cause the computer to reboot back into this same option over and over. My only fix is to turn off the PSU and let it sit for a while, then it will boot into Windows safe mode and finally into regular with a reboot from there.

This is frustrating because I very much like the performance gains that 12.11 gives. All I can do now is wait for the 12.11 final drivers to be released and hope my issues go away. These are the first AMD drivers I've had issue with in a very, very long time.

Do you mean setting the monitor to standby? Like if you move the mouse the monitor wakes up?

I have issues with display port where sometimes I have to turn the monitor off and on completely before it wakes up. Try that.

 

[3DVagabond]

I really wish I could get these to work right on my computer. I don't know why I'm having problems. I've tried a few different installs and I get the below problems. I've done a full clean install each time with a driver sweep in safe mode. 12.10 works without any of these problems.

1.) My computer is set to turn off the display after 10 minutes of no computer use. Not sleep mode, just shutting off the display. About 80% of the time the display will not turn back on with activity. I can hear Windows noises in the background but the display will absolutely not reactivate. The only fix is a complete system reboot.

2.) About half the time with these drivers Windows will not start. When I go to turn on my computer I will get the option to boot into Windows or do a start up repair. Either option will continually cause the computer to reboot back into this same option over and over. My only fix is to turn off the PSU and let it sit for a while, then it will boot into Windows safe mode and finally into regular with a reboot from there.

This is frustrating because I very much like the performance gains that 12.11 gives. All I can do now is wait for the 12.11 final drivers to be released and hope my issues go away. These are the first AMD drivers I've had issue with in a very, very long time.

Have you tried using a different type of connection to your monitor? DVI, HDMI, DP...?

 

[balane]

Yes, when the monitor is on standby, it won't turn on when I jiggle the mouse or hit a key like the other drivers will do. I will try to power off and on the LCD the next time this happens, good idea but it does seem to me like the video card is not sending the correct signal when it comes time to use the computer again.

On the different connections, no I've only been using the DVI cable on both the card and the monitor. Is there a reason that might be picky with one software driver but not another?

Everything works fine on any driver I've used 12.10 and earlier. These two issues only crop up with 12.11.

My solution is to leave the computer on 24/7 and power off the monitor with its own power button. But since this is a back up computer in the garage I really don't want to leave it on since it isn't used nearly as often as my office computer.

I'm OK with using 12.10 for now, just hoping the 12.11 final drivers remove these problems.

 

[NIGELG]

People who are not or won't be using these drivers or Game bundles should GTFO and STFO this thread.

I want those games and soon I'll be getting a new 7900 series card.I have new shiny unopened games like Metro,Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2 which are begging me to get my new computer with a 7970 OR 7950.

Hoping this bundle will be available on AMAZON soon.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Yes, when the monitor is on standby, it won't turn on when I jiggle the mouse or hit a key like the other drivers will do. I will try to power off and on the LCD the next time this happens, good idea but it does seem to me like the video card is not sending the correct signal when it comes time to use the computer again.

On the different connections, no I've only been using the DVI cable on both the card and the monitor. Is there a reason that might be picky with one software driver but not another?

Everything works fine on any driver I've used 12.10 and earlier. These two issues only crop up with 12.11.

My solution is to leave the computer on 24/7 and power off the monitor with its own power button. But since this is a back up computer in the garage I really don't want to leave it on since it isn't used nearly as often as my office computer.

I'm OK with using 12.10 for now, just hoping the 12.11 final drivers remove these problems.

Like I said, for me it's an issue with display port. I just press the power button on my monitor and turn it back on and it wakes up. I could be a monitor specific problems. I have the issue with my samsung.

 

[3DVagabond]

On the different connections, no I've only been using the DVI cable on both the card and the monitor. Is there a reason that might be picky with one software driver but not another?

Just thinking of possible solutions. It might work fine from a different connection? It would still be a driver fault, but it might not effect all types of connectors.

 

[djnsmith7]

Still using these. So far, they still seem better than the 12.8's, as most of the sporadic flickering is gone.