AMD Files Antitrust Complaint Against Intel in U.S. Federal District Court

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kremlar

Correct, you don't punish victims. What you are asking is that if someone holds a gun to your head and asks you to tell the bank teller to put all the money in the bag and then makes you drive the getaway car that you should be punished for that. Intel is the guy with the "gun" as many other CEO's from other OEMs are saying.

That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

There's no reason Dell couldn't add AMD to their lineup if they chose to - they are a big gun, Intel would certainly not want to lose Dell business.

Imagine if Dell went all AMD? It would change the face of the market in one fell swoop. Dell just chooses not to.

pssst, I can tell you why....AMD is not as stable as EVERYONE thinks.


If you think Dell is holding off AMD because Intel tells them not to, you're naive. Dell is smart, they have their own QA team, and I can bet that this team says AMD is not as stable. I know, because I have to jump through hoops to get my rig to be stable. I love it now, but I hated that I had to make the extra efforts to stabilize it. Everyone that says otherwise, is in denial. now imagine dell's helpdesk trying to troubleshoot those all those AMD workstations...that's why Dell is still an Intel shop. When AMD gets their sh1t together, Dell will be AMD inside, but not until then.


/pets his A64

Sorry, but what the hell was that? I'm sure its just your board being retarded. Dude I own 2 intel systems, and I've helped a friend build an AMD system. They ALL had problems - when it comes to DIY you're gonna have to troubleshoot something 99.9% of the time. Honest to god, AMD is not unstable.

Possibly intel has the edge by providing a chipset that would utilize the processor's max capabilities, but honestly, I think it's just a bad experience you might have had - so please don't say a particular product is unstable just because of one experience you had.

Then again, please take these words with a grain of salt as I don't know your situation and your grounds for saying this.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kremlar

Correct, you don't punish victims. What you are asking is that if someone holds a gun to your head and asks you to tell the bank teller to put all the money in the bag and then makes you drive the getaway car that you should be punished for that. Intel is the guy with the "gun" as many other CEO's from other OEMs are saying.

That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

There's no reason Dell couldn't add AMD to their lineup if they chose to - they are a big gun, Intel would certainly not want to lose Dell business.

Imagine if Dell went all AMD? It would change the face of the market in one fell swoop. Dell just chooses not to.

pssst, I can tell you why....AMD is not as stable as EVERYONE thinks.

If you think Dell is holding off AMD because Intel tells them not to, you're naive. Dell is smart, they have their own QA team, and I can bet that this team says AMD is not as stable. I know, because I have to jump through hoops to get my rig to be stable. I love it now, but I hated that I had to make the extra efforts to stabilize it. Everyone that says otherwise, is in denial. now imagine dell's helpdesk trying to troubleshoot those all those AMD workstations...that's why Dell is still an Intel shop. When AMD gets their sh1t together, Dell will be AMD inside, but not until then.

/pets his A64

Bullsh!t, it's because Intel gives Dell a huge discount on CPU's as long as they remain Intel exclusive

Yeah, really. And why is it that I've never had a single problem getting an AMD system to be stable, out of the... 480 that I've built? And something about "Dell" and "stability" made me giggle.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

haha... they are about to get creamed by intel's lawyers...and since when does amd have any lawyers on it's payroll?

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: Mirko

-- Intel designed its compilers, which translate software
programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a
program's performance if operated on a computer powered by
an AMD microprocessor.

:shocked:

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: Shlong
Spent money on both companies (celerons, p2, p3, p4 - durons, athlons (thunderbird), athlon xp barton, athlon 64. Hmm... interesting development.

pentium 100, 133, 300
AMD k6 350, TB 900,1400
XP 2500+

pentium II 300mhz, amd athlon xp 1800+, amd 64 3000+

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 2x

This is just ridiculous. They don't have the money to spend on marketing, and more importantly, what good would it do? What's the point? It's going to take YEARS and a BETTER PRODUCT to get AMD ahead of Intel, but I'd certainly not start pushing my brand name until I could be assured that Intel was going to stop paying off businesses to NOT sell my product.

Yet they had the money to burn on the Flash business which anyone could have seen was an ultra low margin business doomed to bleed dollars? No money for advertising? I'm not asking for a Super Bowl commercial and saturation a la GM and their employee discount commercials every minute on TV. But 1 commercial. Can anyone say they have seen a commercial that touts AMD. Or better yet, those big manufacturers who do sell AMD like HP, have you ever seen them push AMD in their commercials? 1 commercial which touts Athlon. Of course no one outside these forums is gonna buy your gear if you rely on the sales reps at Best Buy to explain to the average Joe and Jane who walks in why Intel is not superior to the cheaper AMD sitting right next to it. AMD went with the marketing strategy of "let our tech speak for itself" and it is not working because when tech speaks, the average user has no clue what it's saying. Hence why the idiotic Blue Man commercials and the most simple of phrases like "Intel inside" speak volumes to the masses.

It's funny... AMD's marketing actually WORKS. They hand out marketing materials to their resellers and distributors like candy. In turn, we do asinine things with them.

Also, when I was laptop shopping, I decided to play Joe Moron and get some advice from the Circuit City guys. To my absolute surprise, 8 of the 9 guys I talked to steered me towards and AMD system, and 4 of those were towards the very laptop that I bought, the HP ZV5000. 2 more of those were towards the hardware-identical Compaq R3000z... And they were the ONLY two AMD models on the laptop display.

At BB, CUSSR, CC, etc. around here, AMD POSTIVELY DOMINATES the desktop displays. Intel has lost every major distributor except Dell (because Dell may as well be a wholly owned subsidiary). Unfortunately, Dell is the VAST majority of the market.

And anyone that's ever read the Intel reseller agreement can tell you how badly it reeks. It scared me away, and my plans of rolling out a few offerings with them were immediately and wholly cancelled.

Correct, AMD is just NOW finally starting to see major retailers finally letting competition get it's foot in the door. I have ben working at either BB or CC since 1997, and for years I was told not to say anything abou AMD except that Intel was better. Finally about 2 years ago, 2003, I was able to say what I wanted to customers. I started telling them basically intel sucks and AMD rocks! Many of the other "older" salespeople that had been there and don't actually know squat about computers besides the fact theya re suppose to sell them, still spout off the Intel propoganda. Just depends on which store you visit. You might get into a retail store that offers both AMD and Intel with sales people that are actual computer enthusiats. Since they are no longer "forced" to sell Intel exclusively over AMD you might hear good things about AMD from those reps. However, this is not the case in every store across the country. It just depends on where you are at, but at least the memo's about Intel being the second messiah to every employee are gone from our corporate email accounts.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
I have been waiting for this for a while now.
This hasn't really happened with AMD. Why?
External forces (aka antitrust) to the market is one of the few answers.

Competition is good for the consumer. We should all be cheering this if it's true, and it certianly appears that way.

Exactly what was on my mind.

 

[SVT Cobra]

*puts on popcorn*

BTW anyone see that you can dial into the conference call today and listen in?

im going too

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: Sqube
FreshPrince, I've never had any kind of stability issues with my AMD rig; what exactly have you been up to? If you're overclocking or something and it doesn't stay stable, it's not really their fault.

That said... I'm constantly amazed at your defense of Intel. All of your statements boils down to this: So what if Intel is breaking the law? AMD isn't as good as Intel yet, and that's the only reason that they're not getting all kinds of market share

I'm impressed by your level of selective vision. Can you teach me how to blind myself to all realities except those which I choose to believe? It seems like a very comforting skill when faced with things that you really can't argue with (like reality).

I do own an AMD rig don't I. when did I say I'm with Intel. I just said AMD should grow stronger and stop whining. I own both, I have an A64 desktop and Intel pentium M laptop. I like both, when did I say Intel is the one? AMD is weak, therefore they whine about it...end of story. It has nothing to do with Intel. If this were M$, AMD is still weak and they'll still whine about it.

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You are so typical of a clueless troll. If you can't get your rig to be stable, that shows how good of a PC tech you are. You're not good at all.

Millions of A64 CPU's have been produced, and people have absolutely no problem making their rig stable. If they have the same CPU as you, how come you can't make your rig stable? It's because you're no good. You can't figure it out, so you blame the CPU like any moron would.

when did I say I couldn't make my AMD rig work? stop making ASSumptions. It works perfect, stop trying...

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Dude, you can't argue with trolls. They have no real congative abilities.

True. I'll just ignore him.

I thought you were going to stop paying attention to me? who's the moron now? laff...

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
haha... they are about to get creamed by intel's lawyers...and since when does amd have any lawyers on it's payroll?

Does it matter? A TV lawyer could argue this one. And, uh, they're a major manufacturer. I'll bet they have a legal staff. They don't get out much, but they're there.

 

[RichUK]

AMD's going to be RICH ... RICH I TELL YOU !!!!

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: RichUK
AMD's going to be RICH ... RICH I TELL YOU !!!!

Heheh.. now's the time to buy some AMD stock if you can

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

If you think Dell is holding off AMD because Intel tells them not to, you're naive. Dell is smart, they have their own QA team, and I can bet that this team says AMD is not as stable. I know, because I have to jump through hoops to get my rig to be stable. I love it now, but I hated that I had to make the extra efforts to stabilize it. Everyone that says otherwise, is in denial. now imagine dell's helpdesk trying to troubleshoot those all those AMD workstations...that's why Dell is still an Intel shop. When AMD gets their sh1t together, Dell will be AMD inside, but not until then.

/pets his A64

You are so typical of a clueless troll. If you can't get your rig to be stable, that shows how good of a PC tech you are. You're not good at all.

Millions of A64 CPU's have been produced, and people have absolutely no problem making their rig stable. If they have the same CPU as you, how come you can't make your rig stable? It's because you're no good. You can't figure it out, so you blame the CPU like any moron would.

Agree with the Troll statement. There have been speculations on how Intel controls the market by strong arm tactics for years.

I never have any issue with any CPUs and I have uses CPUs from 6 different makers. And, AMD has been stable for me since 1992 starting with the AMD 386DX2 66.

 

[RU482]

looks like AMD is mining for some R&D money
good for them!

 

[Sqube]

FreshPrince, reviewing your comments, you seem kind of irrational on the whole topic. You just keep making nebulous claims that AMD should "get stronger" or "get better."

Let's say you're a baker. You were crappy at first, and I was good, but you've gotten better. While you were getting better though, I ate up an overwhelming majority of the marketshare available (hardly a shocker).

Now that you're quality, you're trying to get a fighting chance in the market. Obviously, you'll have to fight some initial misgivings because people will remember that you used to jack off in the batter or whatever; that's a valid complaint. However, you would be able to overcome that eventually.

How much more difficult do you think it would be for you if I paid damn near everybody who walked by not to buy from you? Don't you think it would be a lot harder if I paid people not to go into your shop, and threatened to charge them extra if they tried to frequent your shop and my shop at the same time?

That's the exact same situation that Intel and AMD are facing. So, instead of just saying AMD should "toughen up," tell me some concrete ideas that AMD could use (preferably legal, fer chrissakes). You know, seeing as you've got this whole thing figured out.

 

[91TTZ]

Vote to BAN FreshPrince for trolling this thread. He's not even making any attempt to form a rational argument.

 

[HumblePie]

Ohh.. and Freshprince. if you don't think Intel will RUIN a company just look at Gateway.

They were at one time, between 1999 and 2002, the second most sucessful "PC Maker" company next to dell. They held the number 2 market share on consumer desktops, business servers, and mobile computing products followed by HP.

Then they "tried" AMD and putting out an AMD line of products. Guess what happened to their market share? They went from number 2 to almost dead last according to the 2004 market share report and shown on the 48 page court filing produced by AMD which can be collaborated by the S&P, and just about any other major money market measurement. So how does a company looking to take the top spot go from number 2 to dead last? This isn't a horse race and Gateway didn't trip unless you count using AMD as tripping.

 

[Sqube]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Vote to BAN FreshPrince for trolling this thread. He's not even making any attempt to form a rational argument.

Not just yet; I want to give him a chance to respond to my post. If his response has any variations on the theme "I have an A64 so your argument is invalid," or "You don't get it," or "You're just wrong," then I vote for B7.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Continuity27

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

FYI, antitrust is illegal. They're not just complaining, they're pointing out that Intel is breaking the law by using anticompetitive practices.

Yeah seriously, if a person or company is BREAKING THE LAW, who gives a **** about "timing" or "card playing". Antitrust card in desperation? Listen buddy, if you break the law, you should get punished, they've been saying this for years but now have enough sources and proof to back it up. You don't just keep something like this silent, what kind of criminal are you?

to me, it's about being a good businessman or a bad one...and AMD is being a bad one...

if Intel is so bad, why aren't all the senior execs behind bars? This is the same argument with M$

It's like all the weak minded businessman want to do is ask mommy and daddy to solve their problems for them...

if Intel plays dirty? play on their level, don't go crying to you mommy about it.

:|

there is also such a thing called ethics. You shouldn't play in the same level as your competitors if its illegal. What should be more important to a company is their reputation, and being known for performing illegal activities isn't what any company would want behind their names.

 

[alien42]

do not forget that fresh prince admittedly runs an illegal business (at least on the edge of legality). of course he is not on the side of the law.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: redly1
looks like AMD is mining for some R&D money
good for them!

AMD doesn't need R&D. They could sit stagnant for the next 2 years and Intel wouldn't surpass them.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

wow that's lame. this has been going on for awhile now. if you didn't know about the dell thing already then you have your head buried in the sand. i guess they wanted to gain some cash to fight and also get a small footing in the market before bringing this case against intel, so that it doesn't take amd down in the process.

but anyway, like pingspike said, i'll take your rig for 50 bucks and run it happily. i've been an intel supporter for years, but what they offer at the same price doesn't touch what amd offers these days.

edit: after reading more of your garbage in this thread it's obvious you are just here trolling, maybe if everyone else is lucky they'll be a vacation in your future!

 

[OFFascist]

I hope AMD wins, its pretty obvious that Intel has some shenanigans going on with certain computer manufacturers.

 

[imported_2x]

To be perfectly honest, even if AMD comes away from this with a blow-out victory over Intel, it will still not fix the oligopoly that exists in the CPU arena. Those of you who espouse "more competition" are correct. I wholeheartetly agree. I think, however, if this was Transmeta or IBM/Motorola, there would not be such interest or discussion, hence I really wonder if this is a "more competition is good" thing or is it just an "I hate Intel/love AMD" thing for many posting here.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
if Intel is so bad, why aren't all the senior execs behind bars? This is the same argument with M$

Wow you are a total chump.

I guess the Enron guys arent so bad since they arent all behind bars too. :roll: