AMD Files Antitrust Complaint Against Intel in U.S. Federal District Court

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Continuity27
FreshPrince, if AMD wins, you win too. Buying either Intel or AMD, you'll win either way.

I already own both....I've owned both since AMD started...the part that pisses me off is that they're resulting to cry babies instead of developing better strategies to increase their bottom line.

weak...

THey developed a better product and their bottom line is being harmed by Intel's illegal business practices. What part about this can't you understand? Are you denying the legitimacy of antitrust laws?

better product my arse, it's the same product, not better. If it were better, EVERYONE would be using it. It's the same product because no one cares if it's intel or amd, they stick with what's familiar with them. Intel has been around longer than AMD, therefore they use Intel (oops, correction )

no, better product NEVER means bigger market share in today's world. I don't want to bring other products in as an example to reduce further flaming, but just think about it. Its all about marketing.

 

[eelw]

Should something actually come out of this antitrust suit, does any AMD fanboy really think they will be able to increase market share by more than 5-10%? AMD just doesn't have the FAB capacity to supply all the large OEMs. Intel may have to give up a few hundred million for this case, but in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. Intel will still own 80% of the market and I was surprised that they account for 90% of revenue. And this market will just grow even more now with Apple signing on with Intel.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: redly1
looks like AMD is mining for some R&D money
good for them!

AMD doesn't need R&D. They could sit stagnant for the next 2 years and Intel wouldn't surpass them.

Although there are several posts that really crack me up, I think this one takes the crown. It would be suicide for AMD to not bother with R&D for 2 years in this fast paced industry.

 

[Rock Hydra]

CPU History:
Intel Pentium 100
AMD K62 333
Intel PII 400
Intel PIII 600
Intel PIII 766
Intel PIII 933
Intel P4 2.0 GHz
Intel P4 2.6 GHz
Athlon XP 1900+
Athlon XP 2800+ (notebook)

*shrug* I find the good and the bad in both.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: redly1
looks like AMD is mining for some R&D money
good for them!

AMD doesn't need R&D. They could sit stagnant for the next 2 years and Intel wouldn't surpass them.

Although there are several posts that really crack me up, I think this one takes the crown. It would be suicide for AMD to not bother with R&D for 2 years in this fast paced industry.

Your sarcasm meter is broken. Then again, I did neglect to include my standard

 

[iversonyin]

Notice that for computer builders that buy AMD on a retail base get a great price/performance compare to Intel. But when corporations such as Sony and Dell buy, Intel offered ridiculous discount if they stay away from AMD.

If you are running Dell or Sony(the company), wouldn't you want cheap CPUs as well?

 

[Acanthus]

AMD just threw itself way into the red for many many quarters due to "litigation costs".

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
AMD just threw itself way into the red for many many quarters due to "litigation costs".

Meh, at least it was a criminal complaint, not a lawsuit. They don't have to pay legal expenses

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: redly1
looks like AMD is mining for some R&D money
good for them!

AMD doesn't need R&D. They could sit stagnant for the next 2 years and Intel wouldn't surpass them.

Although there are several posts that really crack me up, I think this one takes the crown. It would be suicide for AMD to not bother with R&D for 2 years in this fast paced industry.

Your sarcasm meter is broken. Then again, I did neglect to include my standard

:beer: My bad. There's too many 'real posts' that say roughly the same thing you posted and so my sarcasm meter has been having problems.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: eelw
Should something actually come out of this antitrust suit, does any AMD fanboy really think they will be able to increase market share by more than 5-10%? AMD just doesn't have the FAB capacity to supply all the large OEMs. Intel may have to give up a few hundred million for this case, but in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. Intel will still own 80% of the market and I was surprised that they account for 90% of revenue. And this market will just grow even more now with Apple signing on with Intel.

Correct on the fabrication problems. AMD has less fabrication plants, so produces less products. However, AMD wants a chance at being able to SELL those products so they can make money to build bigger and more plants. What Intel does is stop AMD from selling even the limited amount they make.

If you read the claims at one point AMD offered Hewlett Packard 1 million CPUs for a line of desktops for FREE. Yes, AMD was willing to give away 1 million of their best CPUs for zero, zilch, nada, for money. All they wanted in return was for HP to market those desktops so AMD could get some publicity.

So what happened? Intel found out and stepped in. Said they'd pay HP more money then what they would sell those 1 million computers for AND offer them discounts on other products if they would decline the FREE offer from AMD and fire the exec who even considered going with AMD desktops. Guess what happened? Some business exec started looking for a job the next day.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Continuity27

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
AMD has lost my respect....and makes me want to get rid of my A64...

what a joke, you can't beat intel so you pull the "antitrust" card...shame on you! :|

FYI, antitrust is illegal. They're not just complaining, they're pointing out that Intel is breaking the law by using anticompetitive practices.

Yeah seriously, if a person or company is BREAKING THE LAW, who gives a **** about "timing" or "card playing". Antitrust card in desperation? Listen buddy, if you break the law, you should get punished, they've been saying this for years but now have enough sources and proof to back it up. You don't just keep something like this silent, what kind of criminal are you?

to me, it's about being a good businessman or a bad one...and AMD is being a bad one...

if Intel is so bad, why aren't all the senior execs behind bars? This is the same argument with M$

It's like all the weak minded businessman want to do is ask mommy and daddy to solve their problems for them...

if Intel plays dirty? play on their level, don't go crying to you mommy about it.

:|

You are freaking retarded. If Enron's execs are so bad, why aren't they behind bars?

If Intel has broken the law, they have to pay. Your view of life and business is complete crap

 

[ShadowBlade]

i hope amd wins and obtains intel
that would make my day

 

[BurnItDwn]

It's about time for them to sue.

I guess AMD wanted to wait until after they were in a position of positive cash flow, and significly more advanced then Intel when it comes to the products. That way, when the case goes on for years, and it costs them millions of dollars in lawyer fees, they can still stay afloat.

 

[jpeyton]

I'm surprised AMD hasn't done this sooner. K8 dominated NetBurst, but AMD was still confined to the dregs of OEM contracts; it doesn't take a genius to see that Intel was using it's market share to force their partners into a all-or-nothing submission.

 

[eelw]

Originally posted by: ShadowBlade
i hope amd wins and obtains intel
that would make my day

I hope all AMD fanboys are not this stupid.

 

[dbk]

my CPU progression:
PII MMX 200mhz
AMD T-Bird 1.2ghz :heart:
AMD Athlon 1800xp (current)

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: eelw
Should something actually come out of this antitrust suit, does any AMD fanboy really think they will be able to increase market share by more than 5-10%? AMD just doesn't have the FAB capacity to supply all the large OEMs. Intel may have to give up a few hundred million for this case, but in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. Intel will still own 80% of the market and I was surprised that they account for 90% of revenue. And this market will just grow even more now with Apple signing on with Intel.

You are really quite ignorant if you don't think AMD couldn't drive Intel into the groud. It's *IS* possible. To discount the possible as impossible is flat out ignorant. Actually I'd questions your product loyalties after a statement like that.

5-10% market swing is nothing, just as GM.

 

[IGBT]

..I hope AMD has done their homework on this..and is ready for hardball in the courts. I've never owned and intel system..all my builds are AMD. Started wit the slot A Athlon 950 mhz..which is still humming along with wxp pro.

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Ikonomi
Interesting list of allegations. I wonder what will come of this. :Q

*hugs his Athlon*

...that's what I'll be doing when I get my 3200+ setup at the Tech Tour on Friday!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: eelw
Should something actually come out of this antitrust suit, does any AMD fanboy really think they will be able to increase market share by more than 5-10%? AMD just doesn't have the FAB capacity to supply all the large OEMs. Intel may have to give up a few hundred million for this case, but in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. Intel will still own 80% of the market and I was surprised that they account for 90% of revenue. And this market will just grow even more now with Apple signing on with Intel.

You are really quite ignorant if you don't think AMD couldn't drive Intel into the groud. It's *IS* possible. To discount the possible as impossible is flat out ignorant. Actually I'd questions your product loyalties after a statement like that.

5-10% market swing is nothing, just as GM.

It would take years with AMD spending tons to drive Intel into the ground. It just isn't possible right now. Between not having the fabrication plants to keep up with the demand, ignorant Bosses still prefering Intel over AMD just because they've heard of the name, and the actual cost associated to grab market share, amongst other things, it's going to be a awhile.

The one thing I hope doesn't happen is that they settle in favor of AMD, and then AMD blows the chance of capitalizing on this opportunity. And that is a very real possibility.

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Oh, get a grip.

Intel is a large corporation. AMD would do the same thing IF THEY COULD.

I'm not saying I support the tactics (assuming all these accusations are true) but criticizing a large company for using its power is pretty laughable.

NO WAY. AMD would not engage in tactics like this.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Nik
If Intel gets in trouble for doing all that, why won't the other companies also get in trouble for taking part? It takes two...

IDK, it seem like they were cocerced in to doing this...

Even if it means going out of business because Intel pulls their license, they still can make the decision not to participate.

None of this "they made me do it" bullsh|t. Nobody forces anyone else to do anything.

What happened to doing what's right, no matter what the cost? Oh, right, people got greedy and spineless. Right.

 

[blakeatwork]

Read the release this morning... chuckled a lot over some of the statements made..

I've used, and currently use, both types, as well as a VIA EPIA-based system.


Intel 80286
Intel 80386
AMD 80486 DX-25 i think
Intel 80486 DX-33
Intel P100
Intel P133
Intel PPro 233 I think
Intel PII 266
Intel PII 300
Intel PII 450
AMD TBird 1.0
AMD AXP 1900+
Intel PIII 1.13
AMD AXP 2000+
AMD AXP 2500+
Intel P4 530J
AMD A64 3200+ (x2)

and that's where I'm at now....

Granted, I run a business selling both, so i should have both, in order to be completely objective. but in speaking with my intel reps, intel hasn't sold much for me at all over the last 3-4 months.. chipset instability, new memory (DDR2), new (well, not so new now) VGA interface... all this fluctuation has made it difficult for the people trying to buy for the long haul ie more then 18-24 months.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: 2x
To be perfectly honest, even if AMD comes away from this with a blow-out victory over Intel, it will still not fix the oligopoly that exists in the CPU arena. Those of you who espouse "more competition" are correct. I wholeheartetly agree. I think, however, if this was Transmeta or IBM/Motorola, there would not be such interest or discussion, hence I really wonder if this is a "more competition is good" thing or is it just an "I hate Intel/love AMD" thing for many posting here.

exactly....bunch of AMD fanboys in here tell me that I'm taking sides...

I'm not taking AMD or Intel's side, but I am saying AMD is a weak chump for suing.

as for how can AMD grow stronger? I don't know, I'm not a business man...

But I can say that if Intel is forcing Dell to use all Intel, why can't AMD do the same with say...HP? or Gateway? Dell won't be the biggest forever, they will fall just like the rest of them. Wouldn't it be nice if when Dell falls, you have the HPs and Gateways in your back pocket? Just a thought...

I'm not agreeing with what Intel does, but sometimes if you want to stand up to the big guy, you have to fight on their level.

-FP

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
If you read the claims at one point AMD offered Hewlett Packard 1 million CPUs for a line of desktops for FREE. Yes, AMD was willing to give away 1 million of their best CPUs for zero, zilch, nada, for money. All they wanted in return was for HP to market those desktops so AMD could get some publicity.

Another (as yet unproven) allegation.

So what happened? Intel found out and stepped in. Said they'd pay HP more money then what they would sell those 1 million computers for AND offer them discounts on other products if they would decline the FREE offer from AMD and fire the exec who even considered going with AMD desktops. Guess what happened? Some business exec started looking for a job the next day.

Assuming that is true, what would be wrong with it? That is called business. Sell to the highest bidder. Intel has more $. So what?

I have to agree with several other posters that AMD would be far better off MARKETING and ADVERTISING rather than LITIGATING. Litigation costs BIG BUCKS and AMD doesn't have that kind of reserve nor cash flow.

I applaud AMD 100% for creating chips that are equal to (and in many cases faster) than what Intel has to offer. Competition is what drives lower prices and more innovation for us geeks to enjoy. But this one seems like "If you can't beat 'em, just sue 'em"...