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ASRock are launching a mini-STX system for AM4: https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini A300 Series/index.asp#Specification Could be good for compact Bristol Ridge systems, depending on the price.
With the death of 7LP the foundry is a complete mess. GloFo is throwing everything at 22FDX/12FDX. Mainly, because the FinFET nodes didn't allow them to get the net profit to satisfy the owners. No matter the capacity of FinFET, it will not net a profit. However, there is hope for 22FDX/12FDX to net profit. Which is why the huge push in the above segment, all 300mm are being tooled to do 22FDX.
A heads up to all XV/A-series fans, the FM2+ A8-7680 now finally is available in the US, and at a wonderful bargain too (under $60 shipped). Supposedly the same specs as A10-9700 AM4 variant, but the FM2+ variant also has a 45W cTDP, making it quite good for cheap SFF builds. Like all FM2, I assume the iGPU frequencies are also unlocked, but it only has 6 CU of the 8CU working.
It would be flat at 10W-15W, while there will be an increase at 20W-25W(UHP) and 3W-7W(ULP).How expensive would a port be to 28FDS and how large would the perf. boost be at 10W and 20W?
1. for Stoney
2. for a new variant, namely a BR/Stoney hybrid
Then same question for 2. on 22FDX
Thanks. That actually doesn't sound too shabby, and with the 6CU, might it be faster in some games than the similarly-priced A200GE?
Yup newegg. You'll have to flash the new bios before using these new A8's for sure; so definitely need to check with the board manufacturer. My guess is no bios will exist for that. MSI tends to only support their newest (two?) A68 boards.Link to site to purchase? Does Newegg have them currently?
Edit: I have an older MSI A55M FM2+ board, will it support this APU? Or do all FM2+ boards NEED a BIOS/firmware update to take this APU? (Or is it similar enough to certain prior APUs that it will just drop in to some boards?)
Stoney 28FDS
Cost would be lower to the same as 28nm designs.
Ver A(STM28FD): 1.35x = A6-9220C-derivied shrink : 1.8 GHz to 2 GHz <-- From GlobalFoundries' 28SLP(HPP is 10%, SHP is at least 5-10% over HPP)
Ver B(SS28FDS): 1.25x = A6-9220C-derived shrink : 1.8 GHZ to 2.25 GHz <-- From Samsung's 28LPP(LPP is on par with HPP/SHP)
An in between design: 2C/3CU <-> 4C/8CU aka 4C/6CU
Cost would be lower than Bristol Ridge.
Ver A(STM28FD), the QC at 1.9 GHz at base.
Ver B(SS28FDS), the QC at 2.1 GHz at base.
Now 22FDX not in GloFo's marketing, since they aggressively underestimate it.
It should be 1.5X on top of 28FD/28FDS;
28FD A6-9220C => 2 GHz -> 3 GHz at base.
28FDS A6-9220C => 2.25 GHz -> 3.375 GHz at base.
1.3x to be safe:
28FD QC 1.9 GHz to 22FDX 2.47 GHz
28FDS QC 2.1 GHz to 22FDX 2.73 GHz
22FDX will be more expensive, but allows for a larger shrink than 28nm.
28FDS @ 7-track ≈ Bulk @ 12-track
Which would allow a 22FDX design to return to Piledriver/Steamroller level scaling at a lower track height:
If we expect a new core within a new module. Then, the frequency can be much higher.
It would be flat at 10W-15W, while there will be an increase at 20W-25W(UHP) and 3W-7W(ULP).
The biggest factor is the Adaptive Body Bias/ABB scaling over Adaptive Voltage Scaling/AVS. ABB scaling is better than AVS, as it produces less leakage/power compared to AVS.
Three groups:If it were a generation beyond Excavator, who would be designing it? Aren't about 100% of their CPU engineers working on Zen2+3+... while also pondering the generation beyond? How many people would you need and what budget?
So, Bulldozer is not dead?
No please, no!
ASRock are launching a mini-STX system for AM4: https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini A300 Series/index.asp#Specification Could be good for compact Bristol Ridge systems, depending on the price.
A BR/Stoney hybrid (say 1.8B transistors) at $40 would be as good, and fill the low end demand when Athlon 200GE stock runs out.
Why would anyone put a BR APU in one of those, when even the 200GE smokes every last BR in CPU performance
Why would anyone put a BR APU in one of those, when even the 200GE smokes every last BR in CPU performance? GPU performance? 2200G or bust.
Why would anyone put a BR APU in one of those, when even the 200GE smokes every last BR in CPU performance? GPU performance? 2200G or bust.
The only way a Bulldozer is even decent is on Quad Core on a uArch that uses less than 28nm (22nm to 14)
https://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1776/images/2019-01-05-image-2.pngExcept that AMD has announced no plans to make such a part.
Notice 14nm process it is using. I read an article that says AMD confirmed that it was a different die but I can't find the link at the moment.
Actually it doesnt, in MT it is comparable to the 200GE, in ST the latter has better perf but with two threads active FI the gap, although substancial, is not that huge as there s no CMT penalty if each thread use only one core/module.
https://www.computerbase.de/2018-09/amd-athlon-200ge-test/2/#diagramm-leistungsrating-anwendungen
Not a massive victory considering that the 9800E is clocked 400MHz lower than the 9700, looking at the 7 Zip score the difference in ST with usual integer based softs shouldnt be as big as it is in Cinebench ST, beside CB seems to favour Zen as in Povray the 9800E is 15% better.
And if the 200GE doesn't the 2200GE sure will.
However the dual core A6 has a place in AM4 under $40 and the one thing it wins at against the 200ge is price (not by much though, but I think the price on the A6 can come down to $35 or slightly under).
The A12 would also have a place but price would have to come down to below $70.
I think the A8's would be better off on FM2+ where it isn't competing against the 200ge's.
Maybe so, but it can still run Windows 7, something that Raven Ridge cannot do. (Although there has been some progress on this, there is a Reddit with a picture of a Raven Ridge rig running Windows 7, but with a dGPU, which kind of defeats the purpose, in my mind.)BR performance is not even a fair contest against a quad Zen...
https://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1776/images/2019-01-05-image-2.png
I agree, especially now that they have new dual core Ryzen mobile. It is a new die different from Raven Ridge. Notice 14nm process it is using. I read an article that says AMD confirmed that it was a different die but I can't find the link at the moment. The chip should be about 100mm2, not much bigger than Stoney. I'm sure AMD is just clearing their 28nm inventory for chrome books and will bring dual core Zen1/+ to low end market.
Has anyone opened heat spreader of newly announced Athlon 220GE? It maybe interesting to see...
I wouldn't consider this confirmed unless someone has done a delidding on these newer series dual cores (or taken off the heat sink on the mobile dual cores) to confirm a 14nm RR-L die.