AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Ferzerp]

Well, I guess we should just give them a participation trophy shouldn't we? We wouldn't want to say bad things about the poor widdle corporation?

An igpu unsuitable for gaming is still an igpu unsuitable for gaming. There are no points for participation.

 

[Gikaseixas]

You can play some games at 720P, a few at 1080P, how's that not playable??? It's an achievement for AMD. Intel fanboys are here because they know how good the APU is. Sad...

 

[Idontcare]

I'm calling you out as a poster, not a mod. You as a poster are trolling this thread and insulting other members.

Apology accepted. If you have anything more to say on the matter then I am going to have to insist that you post it in the proper venue: Moderator Discussions

(see that, I'm doing it again, the mod thing where I am attempting to correct unacceptable posting behavior your compliance is not optional)

 

[TerryMathews]

Well, I guess we should just give them a participation trophy shouldn't we? We wouldn't want to say bad things about the poor widdle corporation?

An igpu unsuitable for gaming is still an igpu unsuitable for gaming. There are no points for participation.

I can play Diablo 3 on my llano laptop. How is that unsuitable for gaming?

Here's a reality check: not everyone has the same standards. Trinity can play every game you can buy today. Every single one.

No one is claiming its a replacement for a dGPU setup. It does, however, fill an important niche: the $300 gaming PC.

Why does that personally offend you?

 

[Ferzerp]

Offend me? It doesn't. Apparently pointing out that it's not suitable for what people *really* want to convince us it is is offensive to them though.

See IDC's post above how people take criticisms of things that they're overly attached to as personal though.

 

[Ferzerp]

You can play some games at 720P, a few at 1080P, how's that not playable??? It's an achievement for AMD. Intel fanboys are here because they know how good the APU is. Sad...

Let's imagine a video card that played "some games at 720p" and "a few at 1080p". That product would never make it to market, and if it did, would be a huge flop.

Take such poor a poor performing product, and glue it on to a low end cpu die and suddenly it's like it's the messiah to some people.

 

[laputan machine]

Well, I guess we should just give them a participation trophy shouldn't we? We wouldn't want to say bad things about the poor widdle corporation?

An igpu unsuitable for gaming is still an igpu unsuitable for gaming. There are no points for participation.

Does this mean you consider all the consoles out to be unsuitable for gaming? They all deliver worse performance than trinity. If they're good enough for millions of people, why shouldn't trinity be good enough for some people who want to game on their pc?

 

[Gikaseixas]

I can play lots of games on my HTPC too. All of you that are trying to spread false info here should really buy an APU and try before talking trash about a product you never owned or have zero experience. Just give up and stop trolling. That goes for all, including mr correct.

 

[Ferzerp]

All of you that are trying to spread false info here should really buy an APU and try

Well, luckily, I'm not spreading false info, so, I don't have a mandate by you to buy a mediocre product. That's a load off. I might have to buy one if you had told me to.

 

[Ferzerp]

Does this mean you consider all the consoles out to be unsuitable for gaming? They all deliver worse performance than trinity. If they're good enough for millions of people, why shouldn't trinity be good enough for some people who want to game on their pc?

Console is a different world, and if you're buying one of these things expecting to game, you may as well get a console. You'll at least be able to play every game out for it instead of "some" or "a few"

 

[Gikaseixas]

Let's imagine a video card that played "some games at 720p" and "a few at 1080p". That product would never make it to market, and if it did, would be a huge flop.

Take such poor a poor performing product, and glue it on to a low end cpu die and suddenly it's like it's the messiah to some people.

HD 6770 sells very well. Most people are still using 8800GT's are very happy with the performance they get in some newer titles. The poor performing product you referring to happens to be the fastest igp solution available. How would you label the HD4000????

 

[laputan machine]

Console is a different world, and if you're buying one of these things expecting to game, you may as well get a console.

Why is it a different world? It's a huge market, and everyone needs a pc. I'm sure plenty would rather just have a pc instead of both a pc and a console, especially when the trinity pc doesn't have to cost much more than the console.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Well, luckily, I'm not spreading false info, so, I don't have a mandate by you to buy a mediocre product. That's a load off. I might have to buy one if you had told me to.

Oh yes you are. You just saw some graphs and you think you know it all. Buy one, your opinion will change.

 

[Ferzerp]

HD 6770 sells very well and thanks. Most people are still using 8800GT's are very happy with the performance they get in some newer titles. The poor performing product you referring to happens to be the fastest igp solution available. What do you label the HD4000????

Yes, old GPUs that no one buying new today should accept the performance of. People may be using them still, but to tell someone they should seek out that level of performance on a new purchase today is really silly. People are still using netburst as well. I guess we should accept that poor level of performance with new product since there are people still using it.



The HD4000 is also not suitable for gaming.

Both are suitable for non gaming, and not suitable for gaming. One is faster than the other, but not fast enough to actually do anything useful with, and so they're equally junk in regards to games.

 

[Ferzerp]

Oh yes you are. You just saw some graphs and you think you know it all. Buy one, your opinion will change.

I'll pass.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I can play Diablo 3 on my llano laptop. How is that unsuitable for gaming?

Here's a reality check: not everyone has the same standards. Trinity can play every game you can buy today. Every single one.

No one is claiming its a replacement for a dGPU setup. It does, however, fill an important niche: the $300 gaming PC.

Why does that personally offend you?

A laptop is a different situation than a desktop. There is a justification in giving up image quality and the ability to play all games because a gaming laptop is 500 dollars or more more expensive than a llano laptop. Plus you cannot easily upgrade it.

On a desktop, for heaven's sake, just add a 50-100 dollar discrete card, even to an amd Cpu if you hate intel that much or are determined to recommend AMD no matter what.

The only reason I can see to insist on using an igp in a desktop is to focus on the one area where AMD is superior.

 

[ShintaiDK]

HD 6770 sells very well. Most people are still using 8800GT's are very happy with the performance they get in some newer titles. The poor performing product you referring to happens to be the fastest igp solution available. How would you label the HD4000????

Both HD6770 and 8800GT are alot faster than Trinity iGPU. So not sure why you mention that.

 

[Centauri]

I like how 'gaming' has become '$60 new release titles at max settings and resolution on Full HD+ displays'

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why is it a different world? It's a huge market, and everyone needs a pc. I'm sure plenty would rather just have a pc instead of both a pc and a console, especially when the trinity pc doesn't have to cost much more than the console.

Consoles got optimized code throughout the process. There is one one type of hardware to code for. So yes, its alot different.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yes, old GPUs that no one buying new today should accept the performance of. People may be using them still, but to tell someone they should seek out that level of performance on a new purchase today is really silly. People are still using netburst as well. I guess we should accept that poor level of performance with new product since there are people still using it.



The HD4000 is also not suitable for gaming.

Both are suitable for non gaming, and not suitable for gaming. One is faster than the other, but not fast enough to actually do anything useful with, and so they're equally junk in regards to games.

The level of performance you get with it is the maximum you can get out of CPU/IGP working under the same roof. No even Intel with all the R&D money spent yearly was able to beat and that alone m friend is a huge achievement so why ignore it???

 

[laputan machine]

Consoles got optimized code throughout the process. There is one one type of hardware to code for. So yes, its alot different.

And? Trinity still delivers better performance than the ones out now, the ones that people are still buying and using. I just don't see how people can say that it's unsuitable for gaming when it's better than what the majority plays on. Of course there's plenty of far better solutions if you desire even better graphics and framerates (and I do). But they are more expensive and cumbersome.

 

[Abwx]

People are still using netburst as well.

Yes , as the P4M 1.6 laptop i m using to send this post...

Other laptops that i had at the same time are good for the trashbin
since they have poor GFX unlike this one...

Ultimately , the GFX is the main factor for laptops lifecycle ,
well before the CPU.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Both HD6770 and 8800GT are alot faster than Trinity iGPU. So not sure why you mention that.

Go back and read again, I'm not responsible for your lack of attention but I'll help you anyway. He implied that a gpu that can only push some games at 720p and a few at 1080p would fail in today's market. I gave him the 6770 which happens to play few games at 1080 but is a success. Get it now???

 

[frozentundra123456]

HD 6770 sells very well. Most people are still using 8800GT's are very happy with the performance they get in some newer titles. The poor performing product you referring to happens to be the fastest igp solution available. How would you label the HD4000????

The 6770 is far faster than the A10, and the 8800GT (what, 4 or 5 year old tech) is still faster in most cases. And there is a difference in keeping what you have and making do with it and buying something new. Furthermore, no one in this forum is advocating gaming on HD4000 on the desktop. Not one post recommended that. You just had to bring that in to get a dig at intel didnt you?

In fact, I still game on an 8800GT. But would I go out an buy one now?? Of course not, it would be crazy. To use a theoretical argument, if I had a "gaming" computer with the capabilities of the A10 that I had bought a couple of years ago, I could make a case for keeping it and accepting the compromises. Would I buy one now and attempt to game on it without adding a discrete GPU---no way.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I like how 'gaming' has become '$60 new release titles at max settings and resolution on Full HD+ displays'

No one said that. And there are a number of one or two year old titles that any igp is inadequate to run, eg Metro 2033, and that can be had cheaply on sale.