AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Ferzerp]

The level of performance you get with it is the maximum you can get out of CPU/IGP working under the same roof. No even Intel with all the R&D money spent yearly was able to beat and that alone m friend is a huge achievement so why ignore it???

Why ignore it? Because the end result is not suited for what it's apparently being pushed as suitable for. I don't care how hard they tried, or how close you may feel they've come. This is neither horse-shoes nor hand-grenades.

Would you like them to be awarded the medal for least crappy igpu with a little star that says "still not really suited for anything more than the more crappy igpus".

 

[pelov]

Why ignore it? Because the end result is not suited for what it's apparently being pushed as suitable for. I don't care how hard they tried, or how close you may feel they've come. This is neither horse-shoes nor hand-grenades.

Would you like them to be awarded the medal for least crappy igpu with a little star that says "still not really suited for anything more than the more crappy igpus".

You need to make the things in the middle in order to get the ones at the end of the spectrum. AMD is making an APU every year, meaning these improvements should come at a regular cadence. Same with Intel.

He is right. You are ignoring it Both of them, actually.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Go back and read again, I'm not responsible for your lack of attention but I'll help you anyway. He implied that a gpu that can only push some games at 720p and a few at 1080p would fail in today's market. I gave him the 6770 which happens to play few games at 1080 but is a success. Get it now???

I think his attention was quite good. He rightly pointed out that the HD6770 is far faster than the A10 igp, so it proves nothing, and could even be construed to show that people do in fact want better graphics than an igp can provide, as I and some other posters have been trying to get across thru this whole thread.

 

[Gikaseixas]

The 6770 is far faster than the A10, and the 8800GT (what, 4 or 5 year old tech) is still faster in most cases. And there is a difference in keeping what you have and making do with it and buying something new. Furthermore, no one in this forum is advocating gaming on HD4000 on the desktop. Not one post recommended that. You just had to bring that in to get a dig at intel didnt you?

In fact, I still game on an 8800GT. But would I go out an buy one now?? Of course not, it would be crazy. To use a theoretical argument, if I had a "gaming" computer with the capabilities of the A10 that I had bought a couple of years ago, I could make a case for keeping it and accepting the compromises. Would I buy one now and attempt to game on it without adding a discrete GPU---no way.

Dig at Intel???? Oh now I really pissed you off haven't I???? I mentioned the HD4000 because it is a direct competitor, not because it's made by Intel. Me and you are different in this regard. I buy what suits me, In my household I have 4 intel CPUs and one AMD. Now going back to our friendly exchange, the A10 is not for the hardcore gamer like most of us here. For the casual gamer it might be a compelling option. It plays most games quite well.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I think his attention was quite good. He rightly pointed out that the HD6770 is far faster than the A10 igp, so it proves nothing, and could even be construed to show that people do in fact want better graphics than an igp can provide, as I and some other posters have been trying to get across thru this whole thread.

Your attention to detail is lacking too. I give up, please go read and see how I got to the 6770.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Why ignore it? Because the end result is not suited for what it's apparently being pushed as suitable for. I don't care how hard they tried, or how close you may feel they've come. This is neither horse-shoes nor hand-grenades.

Would you like them to be awarded the medal for least crappy igpu with a little star that says "still not really suited for anything more than the more crappy igpus".

Ok just tell us what is it being pushed as suitable for?? Hardcore gaming???? Certainly not.

 

[alexruiz]

FTFY.

Only thing AMD has is better graphics performance, and most people care more about CPU, and the i3 offers higher CPU performance.

Direct quote from the "AMD withchunter" site:

"If you've been following the x86 processor wars lately, you might be surprised to see that the A10-5800K beats the Core i3-3225 in overall performance, while the A8-5600K ties it. (You probably aren't surprised to see the pitiful Pentium G2120 buried at the bottom left of the scatter plot.) "

You know what makes it more interesting? He used the MSI A85x motherboard. If you have been paying attention to what is going around (which I know you don't, but I had to ask anyways) you would already know that the MSI motherboard is as of today, the slowest of the A85x mobos. Anand used the gigabyte A85x mobo, and his results are lower that what other are getting with the same mobo. Scott, despite his emotional stance against AMD nowdays, is still top at extracting performance of the systems.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Dig at Intel???? Oh now I really pissed you off haven't I???? I mentioned the HD4000 because it is a direct competitor, not because it's made by Intel. Me and you are different in this regard. I buy what suits me, In my household I have 4 intel CPUs and one AMD. Now going back to our friendly exchange, the A10 is not for the hardcore gamer like most of here. For the casual gamer it might be a compelling option. It plays most games quite well.

This whole thread is just going around in circles. I buy what suits me too within the limits of my financial resources. I just bought an i5 system and intend to upgrade the graphics soon. Currently I an using a card from an older computer. Does any intel igp suck for gaming? Definitely, I would be the first to admit that. But Trinity just sucks less (for gaming), and that is the point that myself and several other posters have been trying to make.

If you want to buy "what suits you" and if that is a system that can barely if at all play current games at decent settings and resolutions, more power to you. And let me be clear. I am only directing this to those who insist on buying trinity and gaming on it without a discrete gpu. I fail to see how that is a "compelling option" when for 50 to 100 additional dollars you could effectively double the performance in games by adding a discrete card.

 

[Ferzerp]

Ok just tell us what is it being pushed as suitable for?? Hardcore gaming???? Certainly not.

It's being pushed as an acceptable alternative to having a discrete card.

It is entirely unsuited for that. Just as with the trash Intel igpus, it's fine for everything but gaming, and sucks at gaming.

 

[Ferzerp]

You need to make the things in the middle in order to get the ones at the end of the spectrum. AMD is making an APU every year, meaning these improvements should come at a regular cadence. Same with Intel.

He is right. You are ignoring it Both of them, actually.

You need to make things in the middle, sure, but don't expect people who want a fully baked product to buy them. If they had performance like a lower end gpu, I could see the argument that there could be some remote case where you might want to buy them, I guess, but right now, they are not a product suited for playing games.

I'm not in the habit of contributing to a money pit in hopes that something good will eventually come out of it. Make a great performing product (it's not like they're incapable of doing graphics, they make top tier gpus), and I'll take a look. Make junk, and I'll call it junk. I don't much care that it's improved junk, because I don't really have any use for the various grades of junk beyond can it run my htpc, or work in my home server, but in those cases, there is no junk that doesn't do those for me just fine.

I also don't care that their junk is better than Intel's junk. Junk is still junk. Stinking less still doesn't mean I want to make a room freshener out of it.

 

[Gikaseixas]

It's being pushed as an acceptable alternative to having a discrete card.

It is entirely unsuited for that. Just as with the trash Intel igpus, it's fine for everything but gaming, and sucks at gaming.

An alternative to a entry level discrete card correct? I don't recall anyone here recommend it as an alternative to a GTX650 or HD7770. That I wouldn't agree with either.

 

[TerryMathews]

Offend me? It doesn't. Apparently pointing out that it's not suitable for what people *really* want to convince us it is is offensive to them though.

See IDC's post above how people take criticisms of things that they're overly attached to as personal though.

And who are you to decide what people really want?

 

[TerryMathews]

A laptop is a different situation than a desktop. There is a justification in giving up image quality and the ability to play all games because a gaming laptop is 500 dollars or more more expensive than a llano laptop. Plus you cannot easily upgrade it.

On a desktop, for heaven's sake, just add a 50-100 dollar discrete card, even to an amd Cpu if you hate intel that much or are determined to recommend AMD no matter what.

The only reason I can see to insist on using an igp in a desktop is to focus on the one area where AMD is superior.

Price.

Size.

 

[Ferzerp]

And who are you to decide what people really want?

I am the great and powerful Oz, who are you?

 

[Gikaseixas]

This whole thread is just going around in circles. I buy what suits me too within the limits of my financial resources. I just bought an i5 system and intend to upgrade the graphics soon. Currently I an using a card from an older computer. Does any intel igp suck for gaming? Definitely, I would be the first to admit that. But Trinity just sucks less (for gaming), and that is the point that myself and several other posters have been trying to make.

If you want to buy "what suits you" and if that is a system that can barely if at all play current games at decent settings and resolutions, more power to you. And let me be clear. I am only directing this to those who insist on buying trinity and gaming on it without a discrete gpu. I fail to see how that is a "compelling option" when for 50 to 100 additional dollars you could effectively double the performance in games by adding a discrete card.

Not everybody wants to add a discrete card. For my HTPC I wanted a quiet box, I could have thrown one of my 8800 GTS 512 but the extra heat and noise was something I don't wanna deal with. The Llano is sufficient to play. My kids play DOW 2, Street fighter 4, GRID, etc on it @ 1080p, see I selected a few older games for them and have not a single problem.

 

[pelov]

You need to make things in the middle, sure, but don't expect people who want a fully baked product to buy them. If they had performance like a lower end gpu, I could see the argument that there could be some remote case where you might want to buy them, I guess, but right now, they are not a product suited for playing games.

I'm not in the habit of contributing to a money pit in hopes that something good will eventually come out of it. Make a great performing product (it's not like they're incapable of doing graphics, they make top tier gpus), and I'll take a look. Make junk, and I'll call it junk. I don't much care that it's improved junk, because I don't really have any use for the various grades of junk beyond can it run my htpc, or work in my home server, but in those cases, there is no junk that doesn't do those for me just fine.

I also don't care that their junk is better than Intel's junk. Junk is still junk. Stinking less still doesn't mean I want to make a room freshener out of it.

How do you think the 7660G Trinity iGPU fairs in mobile? Do you really think AMD gives 2 craps about it's desktop performance?

It isn't just "good." It's actually on par with a GT540m Fermi card

I don't think I need to tell you the drawbacks of using the Fermi architecture inside a laptop. But in case you forgot, hot and thirsty are two words that best describe it; not to mention the price bump and cooling concerns that every single laptop with a GPU faces.

So while Trinity's iGPU isn't a 1080p daily driver, it's already reached that "good enough for gaming" stage in mobile. Intel, too, is going to be there with Haswell next year. Now consider that most of these chips sold are going into laptops anyway...

iGPU's might stink on the desktop and probably will for another 2 years, but in mobile they've been a divine gift.

 

[TerryMathews]

This whole thread is just going around in circles. I buy what suits me too within the limits of my financial resources. I just bought an i5 system and intend to upgrade the graphics soon. Currently I an using a card from an older computer. Does any intel igp suck for gaming? Definitely, I would be the first to admit that. But Trinity just sucks less (for gaming), and that is the point that myself and several other posters have been trying to make.

If you want to buy "what suits you" and if that is a system that can barely if at all play current games at decent settings and resolutions, more power to you. And let me be clear. I am only directing this to those who insist on buying trinity and gaming on it without a discrete gpu. I fail to see how that is a "compelling option" when for 50 to 100 additional dollars you could effectively double the performance in games by adding a discrete card.

For the same reason some people buy a Hyundai instead of a Mustang: they don't appreciate the difference.

My wife doesn't. She wants to play WoW. She doesn't care about graphics settings or frame rates.

Spending extra on graphics performance would be a literal waste of money.

That's the point some of us have been trying to make: this establishes a new cheaper way to reach a certain minimum performance level.

My desktop has a dGPU and will continue to do so. Hers will be as cheap and small as I can make it. Trinity helps me accomplish that.

 

[Ferzerp]

30's of fps is far from "good enough for gaming" on a pc.

What resolution and quality?

It doesn't magically become acceptable because it's a laptop. The stuttering performance on a laptop lcd is just as bad as it is on a desktop lcd.

 

[TerryMathews]

I am the great and powerful Oz, who are you?

Barrack Obama. This is what I do instead of debate prep.

 

[Ferzerp]

That's the point some of us have been trying to make: this establishes a new cheaper way to reach a certain minimum performance level.

Amazingly, the minimum that you've chosen to accept just so happens to be what this silly new thing can provide! Convenient that. I suspect that in a vacuum, you're not going to find many people who, when describing what they would like to see in graphics performance, will arrive at performance like any of the available igpus.

 

[Gikaseixas]

You need to make things in the middle, sure, but don't expect people who want a fully baked product to buy them. If they had performance like a lower end gpu, I could see the argument that there could be some remote case where you might want to buy them, I guess, but right now, they are not a product suited for playing games.

I'm not in the habit of contributing to a money pit in hopes that something good will eventually come out of it. Make a great performing product (it's not like they're incapable of doing graphics, they make top tier gpus), and I'll take a look. Make junk, and I'll call it junk. I don't much care that it's improved junk, because I don't really have any use for the various grades of junk beyond can it run my htpc, or work in my home server, but in those cases, there is no junk that doesn't do those for me just fine.

I also don't care that their junk is better than Intel's junk. Junk is still junk. Stinking less still doesn't mean I want to make a room freshener out of it.

You're wrong dude. You can play games, just not games like BF3 with all settings on high, you need to select a few games and just have fun. We'll eventually get there with the next gen from both Intel and AMD or maybe not....

 

[Ferzerp]

You're wrong dude. You can play games, just not games like BF3 with all settings on high, you need to select a few games and just have fun. We'll eventually get there with the next gen from both Intel and AMD or maybe not....

I don't make compromises on a game I may want to play because I've made a poor purchase that can't run it.

 

[Abwx]

I don't make compromises on a game I may want to play because I've made a poor purchase that can't run it.

That cant run it up to the settings you re insisting on ,
but that is only your opinion , so to write that it cant
run it , period , is just trolling...

 

[Gikaseixas]

I don't make compromises on a game I may want to play because I've made a poor purchase that can't run it.

Good for you but again I don't now what interest you have this thread then, this is about the fastest igpu we have available, not a discrete one. if you came here to argue about it you knew very well the limitations it would have. You just can't expect it to satisfy your high level and expensive needs

 

[Ferzerp]

That cant run it up to the settings you re insisting on ,
but that is only your opinion , so to write that it cant
run it , period , is just trolling...

Will it display frames in sequence that approximate a game? Sure.

I made the assumption that most readers had the acuity to recognize that I mean that it would not display them quickly enough to create the illusion of smooth motion with reasonable resolutions and image quality.

I will try not to be so confusing in the future.