AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[frozentundra123456]

this card

will offer up to 2.5x the performance of trinity IGP, and you can buy the (non low profile version) for less than $100... also you can save $50 buying the X4 740 instead of the a10 (and CPU performance is almost the same)



it was a custom design, something in between the x1800 and the R600...
but I would say a lower-mid range PC from 2008 can still run console ports better than the consoles, AND it's cheaper to maintain (no xb live, cheaper games), also it's a PC, it can do a lot more... and you can play with mouse/kb

the constant need for upgrade is not a real necessity for PC gaming at the moment,
and if you are happy with how consoles play game, you should probably also be satisfied with some seriously low spec PC running games.

Pentium + 5770(6770) vs PS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XswEkIkTz34

The results look promising, but they should have shown the 7750 paired with an FX4100 and an i3 or i5. Otherwise, one cannot tell how much the igp is actually contributing to the performance of the combination. What I am saying, is that the 7750 might have come close to this performance paired with a CPU without crossfire. I am not saying it would have, I am just saying an essential control condition was omitted. Sort of suspicious that they omitted the pairing of any of the intel CPUs with a discrete card of any type actually.

It is also very low resolution and only one game. Is there any more data on other games and at more mainstream resolutions?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Your method of thinking if flawed. You place customers in two groups with no middle ground in between. The truth is that there are millions of people who do not play first person shooters.

What are some games that would appreciate the A10 over the i3?
League of legends. Guild Wars 2. Diablo 3. World of Warcraft. Borderlands 2. Dota 2. If I can get away with playng these games at good framerates with everything turned down, I would. Trinity allows me to do this.

They would appreciate a HD7770 level card even more!!

 

[SPBHM]

The results look promising, but they should have shown the 7750 paired with an FX4100 and an i3 or i5. Otherwise, one cannot tell how much the igp is actually contributing to the performance of the combination. What I am saying, is that the 7750 might have come close to this performance paired with a CPU without crossfire. I am not saying it would have, I am just saying an essential control condition was omitted. Sort of suspicious that they omitted the pairing of any of the intel CPUs with a discrete card of any type actually.

It is also very low resolution and only one game. Is there any more data on other games and at more mainstream resolutions?

there is no crossfire involved, the only CF configurations are indicated with the "DG" on the graphic, the 7750 is far to powerful to be paired with trinity IGP, it doesn't work in CF mode, only the 6670 and lower can work in this mode (and as the graphics show, it doesn't work well in many games, with decrease to the performance),
i3 + 7750 would be equal or faster.

I used the low res to show a clear difference, and because trinity is to slow for this game in 1080p (under 20fps)

for more games and resolutions ho here
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-11/gpu-batman-arkham-city-crysis-2-diablo-3.html

 

[frozentundra123456]

In fact, most popular games can be run on the A10. I posted the list. Borderlands 2, WoW, LoL, Dota2, Guild Wars 2, Diablo 3, SC2 and much more.


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You could "run" them, but at a great sacrifice in image quality, and you would eliminate running many popular current games at any kind of decent setting and framerate, not to mention that you would be even more underpowered for future games. Plus, I am sure that GW2, D3, and SC2 would suffer serious slowdowns in big online raids or battles.

Why would you want to limit yourself in this way? To save a hundred dollars or so, or is it just to prove a point in favor of AMD?

 

[frozentundra123456]

there is no crossfire involved, the only CF configurations are indicated with the "DG" on the graphic, the 7750 is far to powerful to be paired with trinity IGP, it doesn't work in CF mode, only the 6670 and lower can work in this mode (and as the graphics show, it doesn't work well in many games, with decrease to the performance),
i3 + 7750 would be equal or faster.

I used the low res to show a clear difference, and because trinity is to slow for this game in 1080p (under 20fps)

for more games and resolutions ho here
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-11/gpu-batman-arkham-city-crysis-2-diablo-3.html

OK, I thought you used the HD7750 because it was the highest card that could be run in crossfire. My mistake. So basically the igp even in crossfire is much slower than a discrete 7750.

 

[oceanside]

Looks pretty promising and a nice chip. I think it may bode well for kaveri which has some interesting features, which may (or may not) alter my upgrade path for this old P4 I'm on now. Hoping to get another year out of it before upgrading.

I'm definitely going to keep an open mind on what the next desktop upgrade will entail and be flexible on what I have each rig do.

 

[Hacp]

You could "run" them, but at a great sacrifice in image quality, and you would eliminate running many popular current games at any kind of decent setting and framerate, not to mention that you would be even more underpowered for future games.
Why would you want to limit yourself in this way? To save a hundred dollars or so, or is it just to prove a point in favor of AMD?

Plenty of people run games that way. The point of games, at least to me, is having, not to be awed by the graphics. If I need to play on 720p under the lowest quality settings to get decent frames and a good gaming experience, I will. I don't have 200 bucks hiding under the sofa to spend on a big graphics chip.

Plus, I am sure that GW2, D3, and SC2 would suffer serious slowdowns in big online raids or battles.

If you play on 720p at lowest quality, I don't think you'll have many slowdowns. Maybe a lag spike in special cases but overall, you'll have a smooth experience.

 

[Hacp]

They would appreciate a HD7770 level card even more!!

I'll tell you what. Give me 60 bucks, I'll make up the balance and go out to buy a HD7770 to replace my 8800gt. I'll really appreciate it and you don't seem to value 60 bucks too much.

 

[The Alias]

according to hardware.fr the 5800k's gpu is more powerful than the 6670 with ddr3 when paired with 1600mhz ram and %15 more powerful than that when paired with 2133 nice !

 

[SPBHM]

according to hardware.fr the 5800k's gpu is more powerful than the 6670 with ddr3 when paired with 1600mhz ram and %15 more powerful than that when paired with 2133 nice !

actually the performance is the same on their tests (100 vs 101%) and the power usage is the same (2w less for the 6670 DDR3)... no surprise here since both have 8ROPs/24TMUs at 800MHz, and the 6670 DDR3 have the memory at 800(1600MHz), the difference is in the 480 VLIW5 shaders processors vs 384 VLIW4.. and the shared memory.

while fast memory will result in a gain
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-4/dual-graphics-influence-memoire.html

it is still far from the the 7750;

 

[frozentundra123456]

I'll tell you what. Give me 60 bucks, I'll make up the balance and go out to buy a HD7770 to replace my 8800gt. I'll really appreciate it and you don't seem to value 60 bucks too much.

I have an even cheaper solution. Keep your 8800gt. It is faster than the A10. Then you have to spend 0 dollars.

And I am not casual about spending money. I wont address your personal financial situation.
That is your business. But I cant believe in general that someone who has money to play games cannot come up with the money to buy a discrete gpu for a desktop. You seem to be approaching gaming in a backwards manner. You have decided that you will game on a certain processor no matter what, and will pick games and quality settings that are compatable with that processor, no matter how terrible they are. I am not advocating spending 250 or 300 dollars for a high level graphics card. You can get a HD7770 for around 100.00, and it will absolutely destroy the A10. Even the 7750 is way faster than the A10, will run on almost any power supply, and cost less than 100 dollars if you shop carefully.

 

[inf64]

Actually only one benchmark matters and it's the buyer's benchmark . You can go back and forth with benchmark numbers and whether they are relevant or not but few months from now we can see how new AMD's APUs do on the market. If they sell like hotcakes=> success. If not => fail. I suspect it will be the former . The only problem AMD may face is supply.

 

[CHADBOGA]

But I cant believe in general that someone who has money to play games cannot come up with the money to buy a discrete gpu for a desktop. You seem to be approaching gaming in a backwards manner. You have decided that you will game on a certain processor no matter what, and will pick games and quality settings that are compatable with that processor, no matter how terrible they are. I am not advocating spending 250 or 300 dollars for a high level graphics card. You can get a HD7770 for around 100.00, and it will absolutely destroy the A10. Even the 7750 is way faster than the A10, will run on almost any power supply, and cost less than 100 dollars if you shop carefully.

That was very well said.

 

[Hacp]

I have an even cheaper solution. Keep your 8800gt. It is faster than the A10. Then you have to spend 0 dollars.

But the HD7770 is WAY better. So I SHOULD buy it shouldn't I? According to your logic. The 8800gt only slightly better than Trinity Graphics.

You seem to be approaching gaming in a backwards manner. You have decided that you will game on a certain processor no matter what, and will pick games and quality settings that are compatable with that processor, no matter how terrible they are

I believe you're the one that's approaching gaming in a strange way. If there's a game I want to play, I try to play it on existing hardware. If my hardware is inadequate, I try to find the cheapest hardware that'll allow me to play my game and buy it.

And I am not casual about spending money.

So you're saying people who don't have a budget shouldn't buy an A10. I agree! If you don't have a budget, don't buy the A10. Looking at the Steam GPU charts, it looks like most people playing games on steam are running GPUs that are worse than the Radeon 7770.

 

[Mallibu]

720p & lowest image settings & 30 fps = mazochistic experience even for gamers on the tightest budget possible. Better to save a few bucks more and play like a normal person than having such a crap experience. But I guess we HAVE to find some reasons to buy AMD, huh.

 

[Hacp]

720p & lowest image settings & 30 fps = mazochistic experience even for gamers on the tightest budget possible. Better to save a few bucks more and play like a normal person than having such a crap experience. But I guess we HAVE to find some reasons to buy AMD, huh.

You're one of the people that enjoy games for the graphics. You aren't the target market. Some people enjoy games for the gameplay and they don't want to spend top dollar just to enjoy the game. If you look at the steam hardware profiles. the majority of gamers playing on steam has hardware comparable or worse than the A10 GPU.

 

[Crap Daddy]

You're one of the people that enjoy games for the graphics. You aren't the target market. Some people enjoy games for the gameplay and they don't want to spend top dollar just to enjoy the game. If you look at the steam hardware profiles. the majority of gamers playing on steam has hardware comparable or worse than the A10 GPU.

The majority of the majority you are speaking are on laptops. I really don't see a point to build a desktop to play games on the integrated GPU.

 

[The Alias]

That was very well said.

I disagree, because you can not penalize someone for having a specific budget to game on, and not buying a dgpu in favor of saving that $100 and getting a good library of steam games that are more than playable at 1080p . Think about it, if you have a person who wants to play cs:go, dota2, and torchlight 2 what would he have more fun doing : saving money on his a10 so he can actually buy those games, or spending the money on an i3+6670 gddr5 and not being able to play those games at all, because he couldn't buy them ?

and CHADBOGA keep your poverty mentality comments to yourself . It's rude and derisive .

 

[Mallibu]

You're one of the people that enjoy games for the graphics. You aren't the target market. Some people enjoy games for the gameplay and they don't want to spend top dollar just to enjoy the game. If you look at the steam hardware profiles. the majority of gamers playing on steam has hardware comparable or worse than the A10 GPU.

Yeh but at the time they bought their GPUs they weren't the absolute lowest available, they were middle-end. iGPUs are low-end at moment and the absolute lowest end in the future -> bad investment. Also there is not only "1" and "0", so just because I like to have a normal experience with high image quality @ native 1080p and 4x msaa (nothing too fancy as you see) that doesn't mean I'm enjoying a game for it's graphics. I want the full game experience, as it's developer intented to, not some stuttering festival with 20 fps with low quality textures that ruin the whole immersion/experience. Graphics aren't enough to make a bad game good, but low quality plus low frames = horrible gameplay and that is not even debatable.
I'm sure if AMD released GPUs that show only black & white, you would go on a "YOU ENJOY GAMES FOR THE COLORZ!!11" crusade.

 

[Ferzerp]

I disagree, because you can not penalize someone for having a specific budget to game on

Of course. Playing computer games is a human right! So what if I only have $100 that would be better spent on supporting myself. Playing games at unacceptible detail levels, framerates, and resolutions is my right.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I disagree, because you can not penalize someone for having a specific budget to game on, and not buying a dgpu in favor of saving that $100 and getting a good library of steam games that are more than playable at 1080p . Think about it, if you have a person who wants to play cs:go, dota2, and torchlight 2 what would he have more fun doing : saving money on his a10 so he can actually buy those games, or spending the money on an i3+6670 gddr5 and not being able to play those games at all, because he couldn't buy them ?

and CHADBOGA keep your poverty mentality comments to yourself . It's rude and derisive .

One should never shelve commonsense in favour of manufacturer loyalty.

 

[The Alias]

One should never shelve commonsense in favour of manufacturer loyalty.

One also should never shelve their other responsibilities for higher settings in game .

 

[Hacp]

Yeh but at the time they bought their GPUs they weren't the absolute lowest available, they were middle-end. iGPUs are low-end at moment and the absolute lowest end in the future -> bad investment.

I would argue it is a good investment. Trinity is competitive with the i3 in terms of CPU performance, plus you get a free graphics chip with it.

Also there is not only "1" and "0", so just because I like to have a normal experience with high image quality @ native 1080p and 4x msaa (nothing too fancy as you see) that doesn't mean I'm enjoying a game for it's graphics.

Then you aren't the target market. Plain and simple. There are millions of people stuck with a platform that's limited to 720p and low quality textures (xbox360) yet they still play the games. Amazing!

 

[Mallibu]

I would argue it is a good investment. Trinity is competitive with the i3 in terms of CPU performance, plus you get a free graphics chip with it.



Then you aren't the target market. Plain and simple. There are millions of people stuck with a platform that's limited to 720p and low quality textures (xbox360) yet they still play the games. Amazing!

So much inaccuracy in this, it's not even funny. Xbox has 720p and medium quality textures, but on the same time it's a console not a pc. Meaning it's only one configuration, and most of the times games are developed for it as a base resulting in ~60 fps and pretty much acceptable gameplay since you see what the developer studio intended to. Gaming with the trinity gpu results in horrible ~20 fps gameplay and graphics WAY WORSE than xbox since PC's always had way bigger overhead and lower performance cause of the thousands different configs developers have to support.
Xbox 360 gaming experience > Trinity experience, and it's not even close. It's close to twice or more better. Get your facts straight before trying any comparisons next time.

 

[Ferzerp]

I find it amusing how AMD product releases always generate threads that have a few people adamantly saying "No, really guys, this is great, you want it" who will go on and on and on about it.

You aren't going to convince anyone here that they want it, and all your posting isn't going to make more people buy the things anyway.