AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[anikhtos]

No, you pretty much just need software customizable enough to allow you to maximize on your hardware setup as it is. Though it obviously depends on the extent to which you intend to overclock. Not everybody who kicks things up in EFI is running liquid cooling with expensive RAM and 20 system fans.

The entire point of unlocking something like Trinity is that significantly better performance can be achieved by simply making sure you have good memory and a halfway decent HSF.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-3870k-apu-overclocking-guide,3260.html

well of course lot is about software
and if amd could swift programmers to her side suddenly amd cpu would perform much much better.
if the programs were written well multi threaded or better written for the module architecture of the bulldozer then amd would look much much better.

but but first he have the cpu and then maybe in the future software will use the features or not. remember mmx???? promised to speed up things never used except for one game panzer general 3d lol and quickly replaced by mmx+

intel tried ia 64 but the amd x86-64 won the 64bit race
the software is what it is
of course the cpu must bring new features but in the same time at least keep the same performance level of the previous generations chips.

after all many people will wont to run some older software

 

[Blitzvogel]

I don't really understand Trinity's target market. If I'm not gaming, Intel graphics are good enough. If I'm really gaming, Trinity graphics don't cut it. Does a significant middle market actually exist (outside of laptops where this makes more sense)?

That is what I was thinking too. The middle ground is where Trinity excels, but the middle ground barely exists.

The value in Trinity is good in terms of an overall package, but the x86 performance is not up to snuff to compete with Intel and the graphics are nothing to write home about when they don't matter in cheap systems. Those who want good graphics can put a decently cheap GPU in their i3 system and it will already have better CPU performance. Obviously this means higher costs, but a reasonable person wouldn't buy the top end Trinity APU at the same price as the bottom end i3 when it is planned to pair either option with a dedicated graphics card. Trinity wouldn't make any sense in that case, unless hybrid crossfire really worked properly and to scale.

These things said, I think desktop Trinity would be a viable option for HTPCs and cheap gamers who just need "good enough" graphics for older games and don't want to spend too much money. That does make sense because Trinity beats the shit out of HD 2500 hands down and matching Trinity's IGP with a dedicated graphics card would cost another $75. But a G530 or whatever + a Radeon 6750 is fairly close in price to Trinity and the performance on the CPU and GPU end should be better........

Like many others though (it seems) I think I might have to build an HTPC system with Trinity. I want to build a new system altogether to replace my current rig (in sig) but I want to go low profile. If Trinity could properly hybrid crossfire with one of those low profile 7750s, then Trinity might actually be a viable option to me and there could be a decent upgrade path if FM2 is used for non-APUs and AMD actually improves their architecture significantly.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Benchmark the i3 without HT, and the game is unplayable.

Proof? SC2 takes advantage of multiple cores, as seen by the speedup from the i3 to i5, yet the Pentium and i3 are within 3% of each other.

Right now the burden of proof is on you because every single other game the Pentium is faster than the FX. If you're gonna say BF3 MP is an exception to the rule you better post some convincing evidence.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Can someone help a lazy man out. What are the graphics roughly equivelent to (add on card equivilant)?

 

[Hacp]

We weren't talking about the A10, but the current FX. Try to not get in other conversations if you don't understand the context.

If you're not talking about the A10, then go to a different thread.

 

[Hacp]

Proof? SC2 takes advantage of multiple cores, as seen by the speedup from the i3 to i5, yet the Pentium and i3 are within 3% of each other.

Right now the burden of proof is on you because every single other game the Pentium is faster than the FX. If you're gonna say BF3 MP is an exception to the rule you better post some convincing evidence.

Why compare the Pentium to the FX? This thread is about Trinity. Trinity has 12-15% performance per core at the same clocks speeds compared to Bulldozer.

 

[inf64]

Can someone help a lazy man out. What are the graphics roughly equivelent to (add on card equivilant)?

More or less 5570 I guess.

 

[Hacp]

can you overclock in a cheap mobo??

Why yes, you can.

you need faster ram

Faster ram helps the GPU. You can change the multipliers on the unlocked chips.

better psu

Most people buy a solid PSU and stick with it.

and a better cooling solutions
right?!?!?

You can use the same cooling solutions.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

More or less 5570 I guess.

is there such a thing as a 5570? or do you mean the 5770?

 

[Hacp]

These things said, I think desktop Trinity would be a viable option for HTPCs and cheap gamers who just need "good enough" graphics for older games and don't want to spend too much money. That does make sense because Trinity beats the shit out of HD 2500 hands down and matching Trinity's IGP with a dedicated graphics card would cost another $75. But a G530 or whatever + a Radeon 6750 is fairly close in price to Trinity and the performance on the CPU and GPU end should be better........

Every benchmark posted shows evidence that the Trinity will be faster than a G530 at stock. Overclock it a bit and it starts competing favorable compared to the i3s.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Proof? SC2 takes advantage of multiple cores, as seen by the speedup from the i3 to i5, yet the Pentium and i3 are within 3% of each other.

Right now the burden of proof is on you because every single other game the Pentium is faster than the FX. If you're gonna say BF3 MP is an exception to the rule you better post some convincing evidence.

You keep argueing using the bulldozer FX-4100.

The A10 isn't even Bulldozer.

At that point I want full reviews just to shut people up.

 

[inf64]

is there such a thing as a 5570? or do you mean the 5770?

Yes there is. 1st hit on google for AMD 5570 :
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...n-hd-5000/hd-5570/Pages/hd-5570-overview.aspx

• 627 million 40nm transistors
• TeraScale 2 Unified Processing Architecture
  • 400 Stream Processing Units
  • 20 Texture Units
  • 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
  • 8 Color ROP Units
• DDR3/GDDR5 memory interface
• PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface
• DirectX® 11 support
  • Shader Model 5.0
  • DirectCompute 11
  • Programmable hardware tessellation unit
  • Accelerated multi-threading
  • HDR texture compression
  • Order-independent transparency
• OpenGL 3.2, 3.3, and 4.0 support15
• Image quality enhancement technology
  • Up to 24x multi-sample and super-sample anti-aliasing modes
  • Adaptive anti-aliasing
  • 16x angle independent anisotropic texture filtering
  • 128-bit floating point HDR rendering
• ATI Eyefinity multi-display technology1,17
  • Three independent display controllers
    • Drive three displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls, and video overlays
  • Display grouping
    • Combine multiple displays to behave like a single large display
• ATI Stream acceleration technology
  • OpenCL Support16
  • DirectCompute 11
  • Accelerated video encoding, transcoding, and upscaling2,5
• ATI CrossFireX™ multi-GPU technology6
  • Dual GPU scaling
• ATI Avivo™ HD Video & Display technology7
  • UVD 2 dedicated video playback accelerator
  • Advanced post-processing and scaling8
  • Dynamic contrast enhancement and color correction
  • Brighter whites processing (Blue Stretch)
  • Independent video gamma control
  • Dynamic video range control
  • Support for H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, and Adobe Flash9
  • Dual-stream 1080p playback support10,11
  • DXVA 1.0 & 2.0 support
  • Integrated dual-link DVI output with HDCP12
    • Max resolution: 2560x160013
  • Integrated DisplayPort output
    • Max resolution: 2560x160013
  • HDMI® (With 3D, Deep Color and x.v.Color&#8482
    • Max resolution: 1920x120013
  • Integrated VGA output
    • Max resolution: 2048x153613
  • 3D stereoscopic display/glasses support14
  • Integrated HD audio controller
    • Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required
    • Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats
• ATI PowerPlay™ power management technology7
  • Dynamic power management with low power idle state
  • Ultra-low power state support for multi-GPU configurations
• Certified drivers for Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP

Speeds & Feeds

• Engine clock speed: 650 MHz
• Processing power (single precision): 520 GigaFLOPS
• Polygon throughput: 650M polygons/sec
• Data fetch rate (32-bit): 52 billion fetches/sec
• Texel fill rate (bilinear filtered): 13 Gigatexels/sec
• Pixel fill rate: 5.2 Gigapixels/sec
• Anti-aliased pixel fill rate: 20.8 Gigasamples/sec
• Memory clock speed:
  • DDR3: 900 MHz
  • GDDR5: 900-1000 MHz
• Memory data rate:
  • DDR3: 1.8 Gbps
  • GDDR5: 3.6-4.0 Gbps
• Memory bandwidth:
  • DDR3: 28.8 GB/s
  • GDDR5: 57.6-64 GB/s
• Maximum board power: 39 Watts

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Why compare the Pentium to the FX? This thread is about Trinity. Trinity has 12-15% performance per core at the same clocks speeds compared to Bulldozer.

Proof?

It's nothing more than an architectural rehash. Somewhat increased clock speed, somewhat higher IPC. About 10% higher performance than Bulldozer.

 

[SPBHM]

is there such a thing as a 5570? or do you mean the 5770?

5570 was based on the same GPU as the 5670, but with lower clocks...
it's the closest discrete graphics to the llano IGP,
same architecture and same 400sps, the difference is the shared memory obviously and the core clock (600 for llano, 650 for the 5570)


the closest thing in performance at least, to the trinity IGP is the 6570 DDR3 I think (but those cards are quite different when it comes to the sps)

I was using one of these 5570 today... pretty simple card, but you definitely can play some games well enough (in low res) I even tested Borderlands 2....

 

[ShintaiDK]

more or less 5570 i guess.

5570 ddr3?

 

[Phynaz]

Trinity has 12-15% performance per core at the same clocks speeds compared to Bulldozer.

Even AMD has only said 10%, and you can bet that was best case.

 

[Hacp]

Even AMD has only said 10%, and you can bet that was best case.

Look at the Toms hardware benchmarks.

 

[The Alias]

Proof?

It's nothing more than an architectural rehash. Somewhat increased clock speed, somewhat higher IPC. About 10% higher performance than Bulldozer.

well if you looked at my earlier post

Piledriver achieves 15% higher scores than bulldozer when both have the same amount of cores enabled and are at the same clocks thus one can assume that the ipc in piledriver IS 15% higher

font and caps so it can be noticed

 

[frozentundra123456]

is there such a thing as a 5570? or do you mean the 5770?

If the A10 was a fast as a 5770, it would be a killer deal. Unfortunately, it is far from that fast.

 

[Idontcare]

well if you looked at my earlier post

Piledriver achieves 15% higher scores than bulldozer when both have the same amount of cores enabled and are at the same clocks thus one can assume that the ipc in piledriver IS 15% higher

font and caps so it can be noticed

Is that true in more apps than just those two?

What did AMD fix in piledriver that was holding bulldozer back by so much?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Hmm so this wouldn't make an adequate inexpensive guild wars 2 box then. I was hoping it would be good enough.

 

[alexruiz]

Proof? SC2 takes advantage of multiple cores, as seen by the speedup from the i3 to i5, yet the Pentium and i3 are within 3% of each other.

Right now the burden of proof is on you because every single other game the Pentium is faster than the FX. If you're gonna say BF3 MP is an exception to the rule you better post some convincing evidence.

No, the burden is ON you. I made a decisive statement that BF3 MP is unplayable in a pentium. All you said was "at worst, it maybe..." The one who doubts has to prove it.

But because I am not like you who evades questions with semantics and keep jumping on different subjects; this is a good read, from no other place than our own good forums. Take a good read at it, and try to comprehend.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2259681

You obviously don't pay attention to overall gaming, as this topic (BF3 MP on dual cores) has been beaten to death on internet forums. A simple google search of "pentium g850 BF3" brings the subject and shows that it CANNOT play MP. I know you will find an excuse. It is fine, write all the out of sense excuses you want as is your style, after all, you are the one looking bad.

ps. Like BF3, a few other games make good use of more cores.

 

[alexruiz]

Hmm so this wouldn't make an adequate inexpensive guild wars 2 box then. I was hoping it would be good enough.

Of course it can play Guild wars. Guild wars can play in a HD5450 The issue with GW2, as it is with skyrim, is that while a crappy system can play it decently at medium and lower, at the higher end you basically need a jump in video card class with every item you want to max.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Hmm so this wouldn't make an adequate inexpensive guild wars 2 box then. I was hoping it would be good enough.

Depends how you wish to run GW2. CPU wise its way too slow. GPU wise its outright horrible slow. And I cant imagine anything but a slideshow in sieges and bigger events.

Oh, and Fort Aspenwood ftw!

 

[Hacp]

Is that true in more apps than just those two?

What did AMD fix in piledriver that was holding bulldozer back by so much?

Anand covered this in his mobile review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope