AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[The Alias]

Right, except few people here have access to a MicroCenter.

And the FX-4100 would be slower in BF3 MP due to the low single-threaded performance and the module design loss.

you think so ?

 

[Hacp]

They cut it, again, if you don't mind having a fan with loud bearings screaming at you.

As I said before, if you're gaming, you're probably wearing heatsets so it won't matter. If you're not gaming, the CPU will be underclocked and won't be screaming. If you're OCD, then you should spend the extra 30 bucks.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

This has to be quoted
FX4100 slower than A10-5800K in BF3 MP? Yes, it is.
FX4100 slower than a pentium in BF3? Even by your standards that is quite a stretch. BF3 MP loves CPU cores, and YOU know it.

The Pentium is faster in CPU-bound games. BF3 won't change that. Games want high single-threaded performance regardless of if they can use more than two processing cores, and the module design means a performance loss for the FX.

Just as an example of a CPU-bound game:

There are no benchmarks for BF3 MP that I could find, just SP.

 

[Mallibu]

As I said before, if you're gaming, you're probably wearing heatsets so it won't matter. If you're not gaming, the CPU will be underclocked and won't be screaming. If you're OCD, then you should spend the extra 30 bucks.

Yeah, or you can game in space where no sounds are heard. Come on, we had the "Let's find special cases where buying AMD makes sense!" show already with bulldozer all this time, don't start it again. Yeah, if someone has exactly 130$ and not a penny above that and wants to game in 720p low details then yes it makes sense.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

you think so ?

LOL at 1024 resolution.

Anyway, this pretty much confirms what I said. The Core i3-2100 is clocked at 3.1GHz and is above the FX-4100's performance. The Pentium G850 is clocked at 2.9GHz.

EDIT:

Also, Intel lowered the regular pricing on the G850 to $70 but Amazon is using the old regular price. If the argument is sales, you could obviously see sales for the Pentium too since it's at normal price.

Link

 

[Hacp]

Yeah, or you can game in space where no sounds are heard. Come on, we had the "Let's find special cases where buying AMD makes sense!" show already with bulldozer all this time, don't start it again. Yeah, if someone has exactly 130$ and not a penny above that and wants to game in 720p low details then yes it makes sense.

Let me put it this way. There is no reason to buy an i3 or pentium based CPU if you're looking to build a new system with low-midranged graphics.

 

[Hacp]

LOL at 1024 resolution.

Anyway, this pretty much confirms what I said. The Core i3-2100 is clocked at 3.1GHz and is above the FX-4100's performance. The Pentium G850 is clocked at 2.9GHz.

You keep forgetting the 12-15% performance improvements and the increase in clock speeds of the A10 over the 4100. Is math too hard for you?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Let me put it this way. There is no reason to buy an i3 or pentium based CPU if you're looking to build a new system with low-midranged graphics.

Nor is there any reason to buy an A10. If what you want is high CPU performance, you grab the overall faster Core i3-3220.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You keep forgetting the 12-15% performance improvements and the increase in clock speeds of the A10 over the 4100. Is math too hard for you?

We weren't talking about the A10, but the current FX. Try to not get in other conversations if you don't understand the context.

 

[Mallibu]

Let me put it this way. There is no reason to buy an i3 or pentium based CPU if you're looking to build a new system with low-midranged graphics.

Keep it to "low graphics" please. 720p at low quality is not midrange. Midrange is 7850 segment which is 2-3x times faster. So if we are talking about low-end yeah it's a choice i'd consider. But personally i'd take the G620-G840 Pentium with the discrete card, after my experience with AMD cpus in many of my workloads. That's just personal though,both choices are good.

 

[anikhtos]

well the socket may be the same but the chipset will allow the use of the new cpus!?!!?
there are so many restrictions by the cpu that usual make the upgrade both cpu and mobo.

lets see by an i3 instead of an a10.
a10 is the fastest you can get so no guarantee of a future upgrade.
buy an i3 well there are i5 and even i7 as long as they are around to buy new or used you have an upgrade bath for your solution.

with the amd and a10 are you sure you will have that option????

so an intel low end system is more future proof than an amd low end system.
if we were talking for an fx 4100 then it will be another story cause there are cpu for the mobo available for an upgrade path.

throw a discret gpu
later in 1-2 years if you decide to buy a discrete gpu i do not consider you can hybrid crossfire with the a10 thus making the characteristic useless.
hybrid crossfire is good for marketign only
but seriously if buying an apu and then buy an gpu then the apu has failed to meet the needs of the user end of story.

i am not a fan boy to any company. i am a fan boy of performance if i can afford to buy it

 

[exar333]

16% improvement is a huge disappointment for GPU performance. This will get killed when Haswell is released. That said, it will be almost another year until $100-140 Haswells can be purchased.

Solid performance, but not much better than Llano.

 

[The Alias]

LOL at 1024 resolution.

Anyway, this pretty much confirms what I said. The Core i3-2100 is clocked at 3.1GHz and is above the FX-4100's performance. The Pentium G850 is clocked at 2.9GHz.

don't we all know you use that resolution to show the amount of cpu bottlenecking's being done ?

the pentium g850 also lacks hyperthreading so if you would look back at the 55 vs the 945 you'll see that the extra 2 cores make a big difference

 

[inf64]

16% improvement is a huge disappointment for GPU performance. This will get killed when Haswell is released. That said, it will be almost another year until $100-140 Haswells can be purchased.

Solid performance, but not much better than Llano.

How much faster than top IB you expect Haswell will be? You do realize that A10 ,on desktop, are being a LOT faster than top IB,think 1.8-3x. I find it hard to believe that top desktop Haswell part will be faster than Trinity. Maybe it may match it in some titles .

 

[boxleitnerb]

4:3 resolution is silly. 16:9 should be used, so 1280x720, because that has potentially higher CPU load.

 

[ShintaiDK]

How much faster than top IB you expect Haswell will be? You do realize that A10 ,on desktop, are being a LOT faster than top IB,think 1.8-3x. I find it hard to believe that top desktop Haswell part will be faster than Trinity. Maybe it may match it in some titles .

Now everyone plays on iGPUs again? Besides gaming on the iGPU, AMDs new "APUs" are pretty much inferiour in any other metric. Not to mention the huge lackbuster improvement over Llano that was chanted by diehard fans.

This is what happens every single time with you people. The hype dies and the result leaves a bitter sour taste you try to excuse for the AMD crowd.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

don't we all know you use that resolution to show the amount of cpu bottlenecking's being done ?

the pentium g850 also lacks hyperthreading so if you would look back at the 55 vs the 945 you'll see that the extra 2 cores make a big difference

It does, indeed, like more cores, but the problem for AMD is their low single-threaded performance. That's why even in this scenario the i3 is doing so well. We'd have to see if the game takes advantage of Hyper-Threading for 2C/2T vs 2C/4T models. Some games do, some don't:

Just Cause 2 isn't optimized for multi-threading and there the i3 is a good amount faster. Starcraft 2 is better optimized, yet Hyper-Threading makes no difference. If you look at the SC2 graph, the difference between the 2100 and G860 is 4%. We'd have to see if there are any benchmarks with MP that include the Pentium.

Regardless, given the high single-threaded performance and that the Pentium is faster in all the other games, it should be faster than the FX-4100 in BF3 MP as well.

In all the games the Pentium G860 is faster than the FX-4100. At worst, the Pentium should be the same speed as the FX in BF3 MP.

 

[inf64]

Now everyone plays on iGPUs again? Besides gaming on the iGPU, AMDs new "APUs" are pretty much inferiour in any other metric. Not to mention the huge lackbuster improvement over Llano that was chanted by diehard fans.

This is what happens every single time with you people. The hype dies and the result leaves a bitter sour taste you try to excuse for the AMD crowd.

Again I don't know under what rock you've been living past few months but we have known the A10's x86 performance for a couple of months now. Nobody was tooting anything,nobody expected it to have K10's level of IPC,nobody expected it to be 2x faster than Llano in GPU stuff. You are repeating this crap over and over again like a broken record.

Go back and read the THG article,it's dated June 14th.

 

[StrangerGuy]

How much faster than top IB you expect Haswell will be? You do realize that A10 ,on desktop, are being a LOT faster than top IB,think 1.8-3x. I find it hard to believe that top desktop Haswell part will be faster than Trinity. Maybe it may match it in some titles .

Either you an AMD shill or you just suck at math.

5800K = 48.2
HD4000 = 31.9
Diff = 48.2 / 31.9 = 51%

"1.8-3x" my ass. Even then 5570 level performance is utter trash in gaming in 2012.

I have no doubt even Haswell GT2 will outdo HD4000 by at least 50%, let alone the GT3 variant. Just like how HD4000 outdid HD3000 by 50%. Bubble bursted.

 

[piesquared]

Ok, I'm going to admit if you play minecraft most of the time there is no better bang for the buck than the A10.

For me personally more troubling is that already now you have to run "modern" games (crysis and metro aren't that new..) on low resolution an settings. What about new games in 1 years time?

Assuming A10 will be $135, a pentium with a GT640 like GPU will be less than $50 more. And for $100 more you get something that blows it out of the water. I don't want to brag but lets be honest $100 is very little if you keep that PC for 2 years, that is about $4 per month. Compared to rent, food, health-care, going out it's just pretty negligible amount of money.

Or if you are at the bottom of the performance range it doesn't take much money to get something a lot better.

An nv 640 is collosal failure and is obliterated by the competition. You can get a Dual Graphics capable card that will crush intels slide show projector, or SSP, and compete with much more expensive platforms. AMD nailed it with Trinity!

 

[alexruiz]

The Pentium is faster in CPU-bound games. BF3 won't change that. Games want high single-threaded performance regardless of if they can use more than two processing cores, and the module design means a performance loss for the FX.

Just as an example of a CPU-bound game:

There are no benchmarks for BF3 MP that I could find, just SP.

At what point I asked about starcrap, I mean starcraft? I said BF3 MP
You are not finding benchmarks because a pentium doesn't cut it.
The frostbite 2 engine is well threaded, and an example of what a properly coded game is.

LOL at 1024 resolution.

Anyway, this pretty much confirms what I said. The Core i3-2100 is clocked at 3.1GHz and is above the FX-4100's performance. The Pentium G850 is clocked at 2.9GHz.

EDIT:

Also, Intel lowered the regular pricing on the G850 to $70 but Amazon is using the old regular price. If the argument is sales, you could obviously see sales for the Pentium too since it's at normal price.

Link

For someone like you who rambles a lot, claiming to be very knowledgeable about processors and how they perform, you are clueless about games that are well threaded. The i3 does decently in BF3 MP because it has HT, the pentium doesn't. 2.9GHz or not, it doesn't cut it on BF3 MP. Benchmark the i3 without HT, and the game is unplayable.

 

[AtenRa]

Now everyone plays on iGPUs again? Besides gaming on the iGPU, AMDs new "APUs" are pretty much inferiour in any other metric. Not to mention the huge lackbuster improvement over Llano that was chanted by diehard fans.

This is what happens every single time with you people. The hype dies and the result leaves a bitter sour taste you try to excuse for the AMD crowd.

I will just leave those here, i hope we will see more GPGPU benchmarking in Trinity's second round of reviews.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-trinity-graphics_10.html#sect0

edit: also to add

 

[AtenRa]

Either you an AMD shill or you just suck at math.

5800K = 48.2
HD4000 = 31.9
Diff = 48.2 / 31.9 = 51%

"1.8-3x" my ass. Even then 5570 level performance is utter trash in gaming in 2012.

I have no doubt even Haswell GT2 will outdo HD4000 by at least 50%, let alone the GT3 variant. Just like how HD4000 outdid HD3000 by 50%. Bubble bursted.

Cherry picking much ??? why dont you quote the other graphs ??? let me cherry pick for a moment,


262% faster than HD4000

153% faster than HD4000

 

[inf64]

Either you an AMD shill or you just suck at math.

"1.8-3x" my ass. Even then 5570 level performance is utter trash in gaming in 2012.

I have no doubt even Haswell GT2 will outdo HD4000 by at least 50%, let alone the GT3 variant. Just like how HD4000 outdid HD3000 by 50%. Bubble bursted.

Either you an intel shill or you just suck at math.

5800K is 2.57x faster.

5800K is 1.86x faster.

5800K is 2.54x faster.

5800K is 3.78x faster.

5800K is 3.53x faster.

5800K is 2.08x faster.

5800K is 1.93x faster.

You were saying?

 

[AtenRa]

yeap, he just cherry picked the only game that they have a 50% difference.

I bet Haswell will not even come close to Trinity in CIV, Shogun 2 and more games, not to mention Kaveri.