All males 14+ should consider a vasectomy.

[Red Dawn]

Make them weat an ATOT Tshirt. best form of Birth control I can thinbk of just outside of a Restraining Order

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: K1052
As for Brave New World, it's poor science and SF (why do high schools ignore good SF and require books like BNW?). Try Cyteen by CJ Cherryh for a better written and more realistic portrayal of such a world.

How technically acurate the work may be was not my chief concern, after all it was first published in 1932.

I agree that there arereasons for it not being accurate, but that's no reason to ignore modern SF that is accurate and better written.[/quote]

I never said that I would ignore modern SF. Considering human history the society presented in BNW is not outside of the realm of possibility.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nitrus
why is utopia so hard to reach? i love the US and Earth. though not alot people share my enthusiam(some politicians, some lawyers, and all criminals)

Because people can, and do think for themselves. The commonly thought of "Utopia" requires worker bee like egalitarianism and mindlessness. "Utopia" can't work for the same reasons communism cannot work.

There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.
2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: K1052
As for Brave New World, it's poor science and SF (why do high schools ignore good SF and require books like BNW?). Try Cyteen by CJ Cherryh for a better written and more realistic portrayal of such a world.

How technically acurate the work may be was not my chief concern, after all it was first published in 1932.

I agree that there arereasons for it not being accurate, but that's no reason to ignore modern SF that is accurate and better written.

I never said that I would ignore modern SF. Considering human history the society presented in BNW is not outside of the realm of possibility.[/quote]

I was referring to modern SF being ignored on required reading lists.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nitrus
why is utopia so hard to reach? i love the US and Earth. though not alot people share my enthusiam(some politicians, some lawyers, and all criminals)

Because people can, and do think for themselves. The commonly thought of "Utopia" requires worker bee like egalitarianism and mindlessness. "Utopia" can't work for the same reasons communism cannot work.

There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.

Yeah, that goes along with the "think for ourselves" part.

2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

True. Ambition is a product of evolution.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: K1052
As for Brave New World, it's poor science and SF (why do high schools ignore good SF and require books like BNW?). Try Cyteen by CJ Cherryh for a better written and more realistic portrayal of such a world.

How technically acurate the work may be was not my chief concern, after all it was first published in 1932.

I agree that there arereasons for it not being accurate, but that's no reason to ignore modern SF that is accurate and better written.

I never said that I would ignore modern SF. Considering human history the society presented in BNW is not outside of the realm of possibility.

I was referring to modern SF being ignored on required reading lists.[/quote]

I would agree that far to little modern (say last 50 years) Lit is included in most HS curriculum. If I ever have to read "The Scarlet Letter" ever again, someone is going to die.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nitrus
why is utopia so hard to reach? i love the US and Earth. though not alot people share my enthusiam(some politicians, some lawyers, and all criminals)

Because people can, and do think for themselves. The commonly thought of "Utopia" requires worker bee like egalitarianism and mindlessness. "Utopia" can't work for the same reasons communism cannot work.

There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.

Yeah, that goes along with the "think for ourselves" part.

2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

True. Ambition is a product of evolution.

Its also the root of all advances whether they be technological, political, etc.

 

[imported_nitrus]

Originally posted by: cquark
There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.
2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

my idea of utopia.
1) less greed. i do believe in free market, but sometimes we go too far.
2) less polution.
3) no crime.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nitrus
why is utopia so hard to reach? i love the US and Earth. though not alot people share my enthusiam(some politicians, some lawyers, and all criminals)

Because people can, and do think for themselves. The commonly thought of "Utopia" requires worker bee like egalitarianism and mindlessness. "Utopia" can't work for the same reasons communism cannot work.

There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.

Yeah, that goes along with the "think for ourselves" part.

2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

True. Ambition is a product of evolution.

Its also the root of all advances whether they be technological, political, etc.

Exactly, and is one reason why Ayn Rand said "Selfishness is a Virtue." It was selfish individualism that made the US a country with the highest standard of living in history.

 

Originally posted by: nitrus

Originally posted by: cquark
There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.
2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

my idea of utopia.
1) less greed. i do believe in free market, but sometimes we go too far.
2) less polution.
3) no crime.

Aww, how cute.

 

[imported_nitrus]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: nitrus

Originally posted by: cquark
There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.
2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

my idea of utopia.
1) less greed. i do believe in free market, but sometimes we go too far.
2) less polution.
3) no crime.

Aww, how cute.

i forgot.... 4)no spam.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Its also the root of all advances whether they be technological, political, etc.

Exactly, and is one reason why Ayn Rand said "Selfishness is a Virtue." It was selfish individualism that made the US a country with the highest standard of living in history.

Yep. But on a much broader scale it was really the only reason humans have been so successful. If that first human who saw fire from perhaps a lightning strike didn't think "I'm going to find a way to make that." we wouldn't be here. I'm sure he wasted loads of time trying to figure it out, but something drove him to continue to try and I'd say it was ambition. To me, ambition is defined as sacrifice in the short term for gain in the long term.

That grasp for power above what everyone else has is both a driving force of good and of evil if you think about it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Its also the root of all advances whether they be technological, political, etc.

Exactly, and is one reason why Ayn Rand said "Selfishness is a Virtue." It was selfish individualism that made the US a country with the highest standard of living in history.

Yep. But on a much broader scale it was really the only reason humans have been so successful. If that first human who saw fire from perhaps a lightning strike didn't think "I'm going to find a way to make that." we wouldn't be here. I'm sure he wasted loads of time trying to figure it out, but something drove him to continue to try and I'd say it was ambition. To me, ambition is defined as sacrifice in the short term for gain in the long term.

That grasp for power above what everyone else has is both a driving force of good and of evil if you think about it.

That's why for a society to survive, one must limit ambition with morality. The Golden Rule, to be exact.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: nitrus

Originally posted by: cquark
There are a couple of problems:
1. People have different ideas on what utopia is.
2. We evolved to evaluate ourselves by comparing ourselves with others, so most of us aren't as happy when everybody's living conditions improve as we would be if only our living conditions improved.

my idea of utopia.
1) less greed. i do believe in free market, but sometimes we go too far.
2) less polution.
3) no crime.

You're going to need an even bigger magic wand than the one you used to remove the cost issue from vasectomy reverals to make that happen.

 

[cronos]

no. you first.

 

[Mallow]

This is not the solution. Common sense, abstinence and condoms are.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

or we could just stop having pre-marital sex, then we could also win the "war" on AIDS and several other STD's while we are at it.

 

[Tinkerhell]

I don't think ALL males should do this. Only the ones who have thought about it, and definetly don't want any kids. I'd hate it if oniq got one, I want a baby!!

 

[imported_nitrus]

i agree with you on that, but alot of other people wouldent

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: nitrus
think about it no teenage pregnancy. no abortions. no "accidents". planned parenthood to the extreme. this is assuming that a vasectomy is 100% safe and 100% reversable.

If 100% safe and reversible it wouldn't hurt then...but many times pregnancy is the least of the risks involved and even that isn't guaranteed.

Still need to strap up.

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: nitrus
think about it no teenage pregnancy. no abortions. no "accidents". planned parenthood to the extreme. this is assuming that a vasectomy is 100% safe and 100% reversable.

This is anything but the truth.

 

[BigJ]

Arlight I've seen a lot of stupid stuff in ATOT, but this takes the cake.

 

[Shawn]

DIE

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: nitrus
think about it no teenage pregnancy. no abortions. no "accidents". planned parenthood to the extreme. this is assuming that a vasectomy is 100% safe and 100% reversable.

see thats where you are wrong

my dad is a Doc and does a ton of these and people always ask if its reversable, mostly the younger men

and it is but it only works about 30% of the time when you reverse it

just use a fusking condom

 

[PatboyX]

if you are considering this as an option, you probably would consider things well enough in advance to not "accidentally" have a child.