Alberto Gonzales is going to resign

[Lemon law]

To accuse the dems of slinging mud totally ignores the fact that they are slinging mud at a mud magnet.

Jesus Christ asked that they who are without sin should cast the first stone. I ask those that defend Gonzales, are you out of your mind? Both GOP and democratic critics may not be without sin, but Gonzales is ground zero for corruption. We don't cast stones, just fact finding subpoenas. And if you think that this is just partisan bull, please explain why thousand of ethical GOP officials have zero clouds hanging over their heads. And now you are going to tell us thats its just mere coincidence that the ALL gathering storm clouds just happened to gather over Alberto.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: jman19

No you changed the fact that people are angry due to the politicizing of the firings, not about efficiency.

Here's something that may surprise you jman19: If the firings were purely done for political coverup, then I'm not happy either, and heads should roll.

But here's where I part ways with the frothing at the mouth leftist nutjobs who will rest at nothing to throw as much as possible into the high rpm fan called Our Media and see what sticks to "Bush&Co".

If by spending time investigating this Congress is delaying even for one day all the rest of the huge issues it's their job to be working on, then that is such a far greater criminal offense in my book than these 8 attorneys (who will continue life as rich people, so it's not like they'll be starving in the streets) who may have been let go for improper reasons, so as to constitute recalling all Congresspeople involved in this waste of time fiasco for Dereliction of Duty.

If Congress was actually efficient and could multitask effectively, and produce sound results effectively, then I could see how they could work on the huge issues and this at the same time.....but we all know that that's not the case. So in light of that, I'll take solving the server outage instead of cleaning up the loose paper clips on the desk...but hey, I know, those loose paper clips, they're really important to some people... :roll:

Chuck

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jman19

No you changed the fact that people are angry due to the politicizing of the firings, not about efficiency.

Here's something that may surprise you jman19: If the firings were purely done for political coverup, then I'm not happy either, and heads should roll.

But here's where I part ways with the frothing at the mouth leftist nutjobs who will rest at nothing to throw as much as possible into the high rpm fan called Our Media and see what sticks to "Bush&Co".

If by spending time investigating this Congress is delaying even for one day all the rest of the huge issues it's their job to be working on, then that is such a far greater criminal offense in my book than these 8 attorneys (who will continue life as rich people, so it's not like they'll be starving in the streets) who may have been let go for improper reasons, so as to constitute recalling all Congresspeople involved in this waste of time fiasco for Dereliction of Duty.

If Congress was actually efficient and could multitask effectively, and produce sound results effectively, then I could see how they could work on the huge issues and this at the same time.....but we all know that that's not the case. So in light of that, I'll take solving the server outage instead of cleaning up the loose paper clips on the desk...but hey, I know, those loose paper clips, they're really important to some people... :roll:

Chuck

Considering how much time the Republican Congress wasted in the Clinton witch-hunt, I'm not sure how you can feel like this is any different...unless you admit that Clinton was persecuted for something that wasn't anyone elses business, just his and Hillary's...
Yes, Bill lied under oath about the blow-job...no getting around that, and IMO, that was a terrible wrong thing to do, but again, it was over something that should NEVER have been in the public eye in the first place...
'Berto is accused of lying about things that involve the running of our government...that's everyone's business.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Considering how much time the Republican Congress wasted in the Clinton witch-hunt, I'm not sure how you can feel like this is any different...unless you admit that Clinton was persecuted for something that wasn't anyone elses business, just his and Hillary's...
Yes, Bill lied under oath about the blow-job...no getting around that, and IMO, that was a terrible wrong thing to do, but again, it was over something that should NEVER have been in the public eye in the first place...
'Berto is accused of lying about things that involve the running of our government...that's everyone's business.

I don't think Clinton's embarrassment should have been dragged out for the world to see, No. That issue was between himself, his wife/family, and Monica, and should have been kept that way. And Yes I feel the same way about that as I do this...Congress had much better (and in many cases, the same) issues to be spending their presumably valuable time on. Finding out whether a liar is cheating on his wife in the Oval Office doesn't seem to be all that hugely important to me in the face of all the major issues we face today, but Hey, that's just me....

Why Bill perjured the office of the presidency under oath, I really don't understand, but I'm sure he must have had a good reason for it (like, he didn't want to get caught...imagine that...).

None of that changes the fact the current - nor past - Congress has made any significant headway on any of the major domestic issues they are facing, yet they feel they have ample time to make comments such as this, "Congress must get to the bottom of this mess and follow the facts where they lead, into the White House," Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Which is exactly why I've been saying this is FUBAR and a sham...the Dem.'s don't give one sh1t about real wrongdoings, they're out to score political points. If they were so concerned about the welfare of the nation, they'd be spending 110% of their time on major issues rather than something that's over and done...but they're not, so you can see exactly the type of people we have running Congress....

Chuck

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Maybe I am speculating, but I suspect GWB has had a Alberto Gonzales resignation letter in his pocket for many many months. And last Friday is just the official date for spin purposes.

Quite frankly I am surprised the white house retained Gonzales as long as it did because Gonzales became nothing but a epicenter for mega scandal. The question is what prompted
GWB to finally give Gonzales the ole heave ho? There may a public spin explanation, but I suspect one would have to a be a fly on the wall to hear the real thinking.

The possibility of a single digit approval rating?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

Why is it that you and your kind can't understand that "at the pleasure of the president" does not include being pawns in a political game of loyalty to party over loyalty to rule of law?

IF Bush demanded that they be fired because they were in an ongoing investigation that he wanted to stop (Carol Lamb maybe) or he just wanted them to go after Dems to deter or supress voter turnout (illegal under voter civil rights) he is breaking the law. He is NOT allowed to fire them for the above reasons and it sure as shit looks more and more like the second scenario was the main reason for all of this. And a trick that dirty and illegal has Karl Rove stamped all over it.

That is probably the most likely reason AG is gone....they felt that with Karl gone, he didn't have to cover for him anymore. Guess again. Both are still under the microscope as well they should be.

Quitting doesn't mean that any illegal deeds that you have done are just forgotten or wiped clean.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

What "you and your types" (*snicker*) don't understand is fundamental right and wrong. American justice is supposed to be objective and non-partisan. It is one of our most basic, foundational principles. It is WRONG to politicize the role of U.S. Attorneys. Simply, clearly, inarguably WRONG. All the "hyper-partisan" (*snicker*) double-speak and denial in the world doesn't change that fact.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

dumbya "Hey, Harriet... you busy?? I got somethin for ya...."

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

What "you and your types" (*snicker*) don't understand is fundamental right and wrong. American justice is supposed to be objective and non-partisan. It is one of our most basic, foundational principles. It is WRONG to politicize the role of U.S. Attorneys. Simply, clearly, inarguably WRONG. All the "hyper-partisan" (*snicker*) double-speak and denial in the world doesn't change that fact.

In politics, morally wrong does not mean illegal.

And it was never expected that people would attempt to utilize politics for immoral purposes.

Politics was expected to be a serving/representing of your neighbors.

Until we get back to that concept, these types of problems will occur when professional politicians are involved.

 

[Lemon law]

We should not just be only focusing on the issue of attorney firing. Gonzales has had a huge role in side stepping the Geneva convention and national and international standards of human fairness. In MHO, the bogus legal opinions Gonzales has given GWB, will be judged by history as Alberto's greatest area of damage. I also suspect we will learn exactly how bogus these opinions were in places like the Hague.

And while I am fairly confident the paper shredders at the Justice Department are working overtime, the Justice Department is still where the real record of Gonzales is. And why its important that whoever gets in to replace Gonzales is willing to dig into the records and also to undo as many of the wrongs Gonzales did.

And regardless of how we as individuals feel about Gonzales, he will soon no longer be AG, and its time to start thinking about how the new AG should be approved or rejected by the Senate.

 

[nageov3t]

the key question seems to be, will he remember that he resigned in the morning?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He'll probably be appointed to something else. He'll get his pay off.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

Why is it that you and your kind can't understand that "at the pleasure of the president" does not include being pawns in a political game of loyalty to party over loyalty to rule of law?

IF Bush demanded that they be fired because they were in an ongoing investigation that he wanted to stop (Carol Lamb maybe) or he just wanted them to go after Dems to deter or supress voter turnout (illegal under voter civil rights) he is breaking the law. He is NOT allowed to fire them for the above reasons and it sure as shit looks more and more like the second scenario was the main reason for all of this. And a trick that dirty and illegal has Karl Rove stamped all over it.

That is probably the most likely reason AG is gone....they felt that with Karl gone, he didn't have to cover for him anymore. Guess again. Both are still under the microscope as well they should be.

Quitting doesn't mean that any illegal deeds that you have done are just forgotten or wiped clean.

I seem to remember a former president who got a BJ which as I recall isn't illega. The "morally superior" reps went at him and at him again until they got him on perjury.

If Gonzo gets in trouble, it will be for the same thing. It's interesting that you say that the attorneys serve at pleasure. All the administration had to do was say "hey we could fire them and we did". A lot less embarrassing than a Monica. No, Bush decides he doesn't have to answer to anyone. Suprise! Someone has to go before Congress. If it comes down to it, who hung Gonzo? Bush.

 

[Lemon law]

GWB may get away with appointing Gonzales to some government post that does not require Senate approval but if Senate approval is required, its pretty well a DOA
no hope for the dope.

And as the names of Harriet Miers and Micheal Chertoff are now being considered by some as possibilities, I would assume they would be damn near DOA as well. There are many remaining questions the Gonzales resignation merely sidesteps, and this time the Senate and not the executive branch branch has all the aces. I would not be surprised to see the first one or two AG nominations to not even make it out of the Senate Judiciary committee. And gone will be requests for an up or down floor vote now that the dems have a majority.

GWB is still the man who must step up to the plate and nominate someone for AG. And GWB better hit a home run or he is going to strike out. And yes Virgina, there is no Senate Santa Claus and anyone he gets approved is going to have to play lets make a deal about revealing past history. In chess terms, we are still in the middle game, and GWB&co. is playing a losing game. All the Gonzales resignation has done is to better define what will and what can't now happen next. A crucial retreat bridge has been burned so GWB&co. has fewer options than they had the day before yesterday.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

What "you and your types" (*snicker*) don't understand is fundamental right and wrong. American justice is supposed to be objective and non-partisan. It is one of our most basic, foundational principles. It is WRONG to politicize the role of U.S. Attorneys. Simply, clearly, inarguably WRONG. All the "hyper-partisan" (*snicker*) double-speak and denial in the world doesn't change that fact.

In politics, morally wrong does not mean illegal.

Absolutely agree, which is why I focused on right vs. wrong rather than legal vs. illegal. It has not yet been proven Gonzales, et al, did anything illegal with respect to the partisan firing of the U.S. Attorneys. What he did was clearly morally wrong, however, as was his stonewalling of Congress. We have every right to demand more of America's highest-ranking law enforcement official.

And it was never expected that people would attempt to utilize politics for immoral purposes.

Politics was expected to be a serving/representing of your neighbors.

Until we get back to that concept, these types of problems will occur when professional politicians are involved.

Yup. It's gotten to the point that the only politicians able to succeed at the national level are people not morally fit to serve. I hope there are at least a few exceptions, but I may be too idealistic.

 

[Lemon law]

Once again Bowfinger somewhat hits the bulleye with a totally bent arrow when he notes-----Yup. It's gotten to the point that the only politicians able to succeed at the national level are people not morally fit to serve. I hope there are at least a few exceptions, but I may be too idealistic.

I disagree. What we are seeing in vivid multiple technicolor examples of what abuses can happens when politicians figure that any national stupidity becomes doable when they can achieve a majority of 50.0000000000001%. We saw an explosion of such stupidity under LBJ, and now GWB&co. prove they can do do stupidity faster and better. There is a big difference between what can be forced through with a political hegemony and wise national policy.

I still retain minority of one power to get into my automobile and steer it straight into a tree at high speed. Such power has nothing to do with wisdom.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

What "you and your types" (*snicker*) don't understand is fundamental right and wrong. American justice is supposed to be objective and non-partisan. It is one of our most basic, foundational principles. It is WRONG to politicize the role of U.S. Attorneys. Simply, clearly, inarguably WRONG. All the "hyper-partisan" (*snicker*) double-speak and denial in the world doesn't change that fact.

And as I said(If you would have actually read what I wrote) "US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)" This means that they need to prosecute all laws but can be directed to focus on certain areas. That doesn't mean it's "partisan" or non-"objective" no matter how you and your types try to twist it. Politicizing it would be what you guys have done - not the firings themselves.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President? Why is it so hard for you and your types to understand that US prosecutors need to focus on thier assignment(which is ALL laws but can be focused on certain areas)

Yes, we know you and your types hate Bush and everyone remotely connected with Bush but this is rediculous. Try(for once) to get over your partisan hatred so you can see how silly your bitching about Gonzo is.

Why is it that you and your kind can't understand that "at the pleasure of the president" does not include being pawns in a political game of loyalty to party over loyalty to rule of law?

IF Bush demanded that they be fired because they were in an ongoing investigation that he wanted to stop (Carol Lamb maybe) or he just wanted them to go after Dems to deter or supress voter turnout (illegal under voter civil rights) he is breaking the law. He is NOT allowed to fire them for the above reasons and it sure as shit looks more and more like the second scenario was the main reason for all of this. And a trick that dirty and illegal has Karl Rove stamped all over it.

That is probably the most likely reason AG is gone....they felt that with Karl gone, he didn't have to cover for him anymore. Guess again. Both are still under the microscope as well they should be.

Quitting doesn't mean that any illegal deeds that you have done are just forgotten or wiped clean.

I seem to remember a former president who got a BJ which as I recall isn't illega. The "morally superior" reps went at him and at him again until they got him on perjury.

If Gonzo gets in trouble, it will be for the same thing. It's interesting that you say that the attorneys serve at pleasure. All the administration had to do was say "hey we could fire them and we did". A lot less embarrassing than a Monica. No, Bush decides he doesn't have to answer to anyone. Suprise! Someone has to go before Congress. If it comes down to it, who hung Gonzo? Bush.

Actually it(Adultery) was illegal in DC.

Exactly, that's why I stated he handled it poorly. They(Gonzo) should have told everyone to get bent when they started whining, but he flubbed his responses and opened the door for even more whining.

 

[Bowfinger]

"It's only flesh wound!" Welcome back Sir Cad. :laugh:


(PS. And please learn how to trim your quotes. Thanks.)

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Once again Bowfinger somewhat hits the bulleye with a totally bent arrow when he notes-----Yup. It's gotten to the point that the only politicians able to succeed at the national level are people not morally fit to serve. I hope there are at least a few exceptions, but I may be too idealistic.

I disagree. What we are seeing in vivid multiple technicolor examples of what abuses can happens when politicians figure that any national stupidity becomes doable when they can achieve a majority of 50.0000000000001%. We saw an explosion of such stupidity under LBJ, and now GWB&co. prove they can do do stupidity faster and better. There is a big difference between what can be forced through with a political hegemony and wise national policy.

I still retain minority of one power to get into my automobile and steer it straight into a tree at high speed. Such power has nothing to do with wisdom.

Sorry LL, but I'm missing something. How does what you are saying contradict what I said, or even relate to it?

 

[Lemon law]

To Bowfinger---who asks---Sorry LL, but I'm missing something. How does what you are saying contradict what I said, or even relate to it?

It may not contradict what you are saying, but it far better relates to what we are seeing. We fail to learn in electing people not morally or intellectually fit to serve, we can then get stupid national policies that would not be otherwise possible under a condition of more divided rule. But when we the people invest both the Presidency and the Congress in one political party, we have given that political party what amounts to a blank check with our signature on it. The national electoral act of signing such a blank check is ultimately unknowable in advance to any given voter. So any given voter can't in advance say I will vote for a President of party A and a congress of party B to therefore hedge the blank check signature my vote implies.

What you somewhat ignore is the fact that, while it may be unwise to walk past dark alleys because thats where villains congregate, you are somewhat blaming the victim for the lack of the unknowable precautions of the victimized. Screwing the pooch is still a two stage conditional process. First one must have a rapable pooch
and a lack of a defender of the same pooch. Second, we need an American electorate stupid enough to elect a morally bankrupt pooch rapist. And we made both mistakes, we have only partially self corrected on 11/06, and now have to deal with a already raped and pregnant pooch. And are somewhat limited to just preventing the rape of more pooches.

In a two by two decision matrix with all events equally probable, only one time in four will we get rampant pooch rapist able to get away with the perversions . Had we elected a non pooch rapist, we would be in far better shape. Had we elected smarter congressmen and women less easily stampeded, we would be in far better shape.

But when we the people make both mistakes, we are hurting for certain as the resultant bungler searches for a place to really bungle. No matter where the bungler decider decides on where to bungle in, its a total certainty that the bungler will bungle it.

The argument still boils down to a smarter American electorate. And not more devious politicians with hidden agendas.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Exactly, that's why I stated he handled it poorly. They(Gonzo) should have told everyone to get bent when they started whining, but he flubbed his responses and opened the door for even more whining.

You guys still don't get it. Firing prosecutors because they wouldn't launch or expedite political prosecutions on your election schedule is WRONG. Period. Is it illegal? Maybe not, which is why Gonzales still hasn't been charged with anything. But it's still wrong, which is why he had to resign. He could not remain an effective AG if his actions brought the whole department's professionalism in doubt. Stonewalling and not responding at all would not have helped his case.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Impeaching Cheney will generate another Middle of the Line Republican to become VP.
(ie. Nixon/Agnew/Ford).

Do the Dems want to take a chance of having a decent Republican VP (known to the country) who is able to unshoulder the Bush baggage running against their current crop?

Or even worse, trying to impeach Cheney and Bush would would force them to run against a sitting President.

I really don't subscribe to that logic/opinion. It'd be worth it IMHO to get rid of Bush and Cheney just to send a message to the Presidents yet to come, whomever or whatever party they might be.

best reason ever. The nixon pardon was a terrible idea.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Impeaching Cheney will generate another Middle of the Line Republican to become VP.
(ie. Nixon/Agnew/Ford).

Do the Dems want to take a chance of having a decent Republican VP (known to the country) who is able to unshoulder the Bush baggage running against their current crop?

Or even worse, trying to impeach Cheney and Bush would would force them to run against a sitting President.

I really don't subscribe to that logic/opinion. It'd be worth it IMHO to get rid of Bush and Cheney just to send a message to the Presidents yet to come, whomever or whatever party they might be.

best reason ever. The nixon pardon was a terrible idea.

Were you aware what the country was going through when Ford made that decision?