Alberto Gonzales is going to resign

[Pliablemoose]

I gotta wonder about the timing, the admin seemed to be caught off guard by the resignation.


Hmmm....

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
good bye... he almost made it up the level of despicable that only Reno achieved

Nice attempt at deflection.

:roll:

 

[StinkyMojo]

Originally posted by: Analog
good riddance.

:thumbsup:

 

[First]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Shivetya
good bye... he almost made it up the level of despicable that only Reno achieved

Nice attempt at deflection.

:roll:

Well, the guy is all but an admitted troll. I mean seriously now, mentioning Janet Reno in an Gonzales resignation thread? You know they're desperate with garbage like that. :laugh:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Pepsei
"Embattled U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales intends to resign, senior administration officials tell CNN."

on cnn

How insightful... your commentary is legendary - probably even sig worthy!




As to AG A.G. - meh. I never did like him much. Also, no matter who Bush chooses is going to be derided by the moonbat fringe. Nothing Bush does is ever good enough in their eyes.

In all fairness, this is an important, breaking story, and the lack of commentary in the OP probably doesn't warrant your level of snideness.

You can say all you want about the "moonbat fringe," but you can't seriously deny that President Bush has chosen, and stood by some rather marginal appointments. FWIW, I thought John Roberts was an excellent appointment, and always said so, so at least some members of the "moonbat fringe" will give credit where credit is due.

On a related but separate note, do you really think terms like "moonbat fringe" make sense when we're talking about one of the least-beloved Presidents in US history? According to you, something like 70% of the country is part of the fringe, which doesn't make sense either logically or semantically.

Actually I don't care if it's a breaking story or not - are there rules or not? Nevermind - there is no reason for you and I to discuss this. The OP made no comments - I snottily pointed that out. So sue me.

Isn't there a phrase that reads like this in the Please leave inputs thread?

We understand this cannot be a hard and fast rule. It is possible to state an opinion in the Title or Topic Summary of your post, but unless an article is of sufficiently earth shaking importance, simply posting the title or headline of an article would probably not be sufficient.

Now, I may be a political novice, but isn't the resignation of the President's crony Attorney General an earth shattering event in the political scene?

No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Actually, Gonzy is staying till the 17th, so that isn't the reason.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Lemon law
At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

They'll be in there next to Scooter then. Oh, wait...

Therein lies the rub. The peeing the pants question is somewhat who dies first. There is that little matter of a statute of limitations that is only starting to tick. And various criminal acts that may or not have been committed by the parties in question. And the sad out of luck question
may hinge on who dies first. In their best of all possible worlds, there will be a GWB who rides in to rescue them from either criminal prosecution or the resultant jail sentence, but if the GWB calvary has already been wiped out, they may be SOL when it comes to what will you do when they come for you.

 

[Balt]

Peace the fuck out, Gonzo. You were a horrible AG and the Justice Department has become a sham under your (and Karl Rove's) leadership.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Actually, Gonzy is staying till the 17th, so that isn't the reason.

Uh, yes it is. He resigned before Labor Day just like the others.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008232535

According to CNN, the announcement was forced by White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten who quietly told senior staffers that if they wanted to leave prior to January 2009, then they must announce their resignation prior to Labor Day.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I guess the loons will have to find a new target.

..will only add to the legion of grinding axes. can't wait till mrs.bill clinton becomes pres. there will be lots of liberal blood on the floor.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Political grandstanding. Oh yes, I can see the hilarity that would have ensued if the situation that recently happened had taken place in say '96 with Janet Reno firing prosecutors in the middle of a term for being too 'conservative'. Nobody would have blinked twice, right?

:roll:

 

[Jaskalas]

I?m rather surprised Alberto Gonzales became the AG, considering how weak he was against the slander the Democratic party threw at him. Then, I wonder who could stand up to the smear machine for so long before putting out an inconsistency.

The debacle here is the modern day witch hunt, and although he physically survived it certainly isn?t good for the country to go through such political turmoil. These are the seeds of civil unrest because there has been NOTHING civil about these witch hunts. They will be brought back onto you ten fold and thus continues our vicious cycle.

If there is any determination between us, it is to hate each other.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I?m rather surprised Alberto Gonzales became the AG, considering how weak he was against the slander the Democratic party threw at him. Then, I wonder who could stand up to the smear machine for so long before putting out an inconsistency.

The debacle here is the modern day witch hunt, and although he physically survived it certainly isn?t good for the country to go through such political turmoil. These are the seeds of civil unrest because there has been NOTHING civil about these witch hunts. They will be brought back onto you ten fold and thus continues our vicious cycle.

If there is any determination between us, it is to hate each other.

So, what have been the positives from Gonzo? You take the easy way out and proclaim "witchhunt" - when in fact, the AG has been a lap dog for the President, instead of putting the country first....

What's the point of laws if those who enforce them can't remember anything, and want to act above the law..... You talk about civil unrest - but ignore that the actions of the President and his AG not following the law adds greatly to the idea that the law means nothing as long as the rich and powerful hold control...

 

[trenchfoot]

that wall of shame that all these neocon heads are mounted on is getting awfully crowded. well, there are two very notable spaces reserved over the mantle that is still open and crying out to be filled in.

c'mon, dubyuh, c'mon dick, aren't you guys getting really really tired of ducking away from all those alley apples being thrown at you by the dem controlled congress and aren't you guys ready to give up the non-stop tap dancing in that minefield of lies you two have laid out for yourselves yet?

c'mon, it's real easy. just fess up and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. we'll forgive you. trust us like how we've all come to really trust you over all those years you guys been running such a great show.

edit - syntax

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.

We got that SOB.
I know you think that politicizing the DOJ is no big deal, but it is. Those responsible have to be punished. So while you think nothing has been altered by his resignation, a message has been sent, DOJ is not NKVD, if you use it for political prosecutions, you won't remain AG.

:roll: Yes you "got that SOB" :roll:

However, just because you hyper-partisans keep trying to claim Gonzo did something wrong(against the law) regarding the Prosecutors doesn't make it true(It's was nothing but political grandstanding by you on the left). Yes, he handled it poorly but it doesn't mean it's a crime.

Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Political grandstanding. Oh yes, I can see the hilarity that would have ensued if the situation that recently happened had taken place in say '96 with Janet Reno firing prosecutors in the middle of a term for being too 'conservative'. Nobody would have blinked twice, right?

:roll:

Did anyone blink twice when her husband fired all of them??? They were just all sitting idle not working on any cases, they were doing nothing important at the time right? Oh, they were all not performing adequately?

What's that? They were working on cases, they were performing adequately, they did have work to do?

When Clinton or Obama get elected coming up, and they go and fire all of the US Attorney's (since they do serve at the Presidents pleasure after all), thereby creating additional rediculous needless waste from our favorite Federal government, we're going to see all you Alberto Gonzales bashing hacks in here screaming about that F'ing idiotic inefficiency, Right?

Yeah, I thought not... :roll:

Chuck

 

[imported_Lothar]

Justice has finally been served in the Justice department.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Political grandstanding. Oh yes, I can see the hilarity that would have ensued if the situation that recently happened had taken place in say '96 with Janet Reno firing prosecutors in the middle of a term for being too 'conservative'. Nobody would have blinked twice, right?

:roll:

Did anyone blink twice when her husband fired all of them??? They were just all sitting idle not working on any cases, they were doing nothing important at the time right? Oh, they were all not performing adequately?

What's that? They were working on cases, they were performing adequately, they did have work to do?

When Clinton or Obama get elected coming up, and they go and fire all of the US Attorney's (since they do serve at the Presidents pleasure after all), thereby creating additional rediculous needless waste from our favorite Federal government, we're going to see all you Alberto Gonzales bashing hacks in here screaming about that F'ing idiotic inefficiency, Right?

Yeah, I thought not... :roll:

Chuck

This point has been gone over again and again, and you know why it is different.

 

[Lemon law]

We have the somewhat correct senseamp take in---Well, that's a good standard to have for an the top law enforcement officer who serves American taxpayers. As long as it's not a crime, anything goes. Just because it's not a crime doesn't mean it's not WRONG to pressure US attorneys to conduct political prosecutions and fire them if they don't. Why is that so hard to understand? Scumbag SOB who engages in these actions does not deserve to get a salary from the American people. We got that SOB, good riddance.

The point being, it may well be a crime, we just don't know for certain yet and largely due to Gonzales stonewalling, but it sure offends the olfactory nerve. No doubt about it, Alberto Gonzales is a not very competent lying sack of shit, the only question remaining is he a criminally liable lying sack of shit or just a mere lying sack of shit?

In the long history of American democracy, Alberto is not the first AG to be a poster child for corruption and he may ultimately join John Mitchell as one of the select AG's that serve jail time. But to my knowledge, Alberto Gonzales may set a precedent as the first AG in American History to be indicted for international war crimes.

Just two bottom lines here. (1) Thank God Gonzales will soon be gone. (2) The investigations into probable criminal acts committed by Gonzales will continue. Its is super important that a message be sent out to any and all future AG's---if you do the crime you will do the time. Its the proper payback for what boils down to slime.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: jman19

This point has been gone over again and again, and you know why it is different.

Yes, I know why it's different...

...the Dem.'s have to sling as much mud as possible before the election media coverage furvor takes place, and the Repub's that are tight on getting re-elected and/or want some pet earmark and/or bill passed will go along with it.

Don't sit here and tell me that firing all of our active US Attorney's is better simply because we got some new corrupt douchebag POTUS, rather than 6 years down the road they want 8 out.

It's not different, it's worse IMHO, because it's worse inefficiency.

If we we can't have a small Federal government, can't we F'ing except them to at least be efficient at spending the Trillions of ours they take????

Chuck

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Phokus
That god damned "moonbat fringe" 70+ percent of the country who hates bush for no reason, this is all your fault! :|

Not to mention the rest of the world. The "moonbat fringe" is pretty extensive, far larger than the Bush faithful majority lol.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jman19

This point has been gone over again and again, and you know why it is different.

Yes, I know why it's different...

...the Dem.'s have to sling as much mud as possible before the election media coverage furvor takes place, and the Repub's that are tight on getting re-elected and/or want some pet earmark and/or bill passed will go along with it.

Don't sit here and tell me that firing all of our active US Attorney's is better simply because we got some new corrupt douchebag POTUS, rather than 6 years down the road they want 8 out.

It's not different, it's worse IMHO, because it's worse inefficiency.

If we we can't have a small Federal government, can't we F'ing except them to at least be efficient at spending the Trillions of ours they take????

Chuck

You're raising a point that isn't being contended. It's call diversion, and you seem to be quite good at it.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: jman19

You're raising a point that isn't being contended. It's call diversion, and you seem to be quite good at it.

Arkaign made his point, and I made mine on why I didn't think his was so good.

I'm not sure how that's diverting anything, but whatever, spin on how it's OK to axe all the sitting US Attorney's instead of in 6 years just 8.

How Congress's time is much better spent on this then the multitude of huge past-due issues they've been ignoring forever now.

It has to be the issue right now right, because if it wasn't, then how could the Dem.'s capitalize off the media attention?

If Congress wants to see why their approval rating is at whatever rediculously dismal number it's at right now, they just need to look in the mirror...and there you'll be right behind them, patting them on the back for a job well done, while way in the (ignored) background, the fires burn... :thumbsdown:

Chuck

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jman19

You're raising a point that isn't being contended. It's call diversion, and you seem to be quite good at it.

Arkaign made his point, and I made mine on why I didn't think his was so good.

I'm not sure how that's diverting anything, but whatever, spin on how it's OK to axe all the sitting US Attorney's instead of in 6 years just 8.

How Congress's time is much better spent on this then the multitude of huge past-due issues they've been ignoring forever now.

It has to be the issue right now right, because if it wasn't, then how could the Dem.'s capitalize off the media attention?

If Congress wants to see why their approval rating is at whatever rediculously dismal number it's at right now, they just need to look in the mirror...and there you'll be right behind them, patting them on the back for a job well done, while way in the (ignored) background, the fires burn... :thumbsdown:

Chuck

No you changed the fact that people are angry due to the politicizing of the firings, not about efficiency.