Alberto Gonzales is going to resign

[Lemon law]

Doesn't the recess appointment expire the first coming January? If so, that still leaves GWB kicking the can down the road only four months and without an AG for the last year of his term. And right now ole George is on probation---and if he gets too outrageous GWB may discover there will be no last year of his term. And Harvey may get his wish of Cheney being impeached a nano second ahead of GWB. The other congressional option is subpoenaing the recess appointed AG and then impeaching the smuck for cause.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Impeaching Cheney will generate another Middle of the Line Republican to become VP.
(ie. Nixon/Agnew/Ford).

Do the Dems want to take a chance of having a decent Republican VP (known to the country) who is able to unshoulder the Bush baggage running against their current crop?

Or even worse, trying to impeach Cheney and Bush would would force them to run against a sitting President.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

And who said the Democratic Congress isn't doing a good job. :beer:

 

[Lemon law]

A quick persal of yahoo news shows that GWB has asked Paul Clement to assume the role of acting AG. As the number four man in the justice department and solicitor general, Clement enjoys bi-partisan support. Not only do I doubt GWB will stoop to a recess appointment, I have to assume that Clement will be the man GWB runs through a Senate confirmation process.

But if Clement is to be that next lucky man to run the confirmation gauntlet, it looks like the battle lines are already drawn. Even prior to the Gonzales resignation, Clement was asked if he would co-operate with the various congressional investigations of the department of Justice. So far he has ducked making any statements regarding that. But if the next AG goes through Senate conformation, exactly that question is likely to become the litmus test.

In somewhat related news, the text of the Gonzales resignation letter is out and so is the GWB acceptance of resignation statement. In terms of the latter, I can only say its one of the most delusional statement I have ever seen. I would post a link to it, but some people may have just eaten lunch and I don't want to be responsible for sudden vomiting. But Gonzales was cited as a fine example of integrity hounded out of office about sums it up.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Impeaching Cheney will generate another Middle of the Line Republican to become VP.
(ie. Nixon/Agnew/Ford).

Do the Dems want to take a chance of having a decent Republican VP (known to the country) who is able to unshoulder the Bush baggage running against their current crop?

Or even worse, trying to impeach Cheney and Bush would would force them to run against a sitting President.

Hey EagleKeeper, lets us resident dimocrats have some breathing room before kicking the can real far down the road.

We got rid of Alberto at long over due last. Now we want some time to start the celebration, organize parties, schedule the marching bands, and toot the whoopie whistles.

But all in all, getting rid of Gonzales only whets our appetite for the idiot and chief. In terms of
having to run against a sitting President, we will risk it in a heartbeat anyway. Impeaching GWB&co. would make nearly anything worthwhile. And end a new long national nightmare.

The fact is that democrats and republicans have long co-operated. GWB&co. are really GOP imposter's and their removal would greatly benefit this country.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Impeaching Cheney will generate another Middle of the Line Republican to become VP.
(ie. Nixon/Agnew/Ford).

Do the Dems want to take a chance of having a decent Republican VP (known to the country) who is able to unshoulder the Bush baggage running against their current crop?

Or even worse, trying to impeach Cheney and Bush would would force them to run against a sitting President.

I really don't subscribe to that logic/opinion. It'd be worth it IMHO to get rid of Bush and Cheney just to send a message to the Presidents yet to come, whomever or whatever party they might be.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
good bye... he almost made it up the level of despicable that only Reno achieved

QFT. Janet Reno has more competence and conviction than anyone in the present administration. There is no comparison between Gonzales and Reno. It's like comparing GWB to George Washington.

Reno supervised the following Department of Justice actions:

Bringing suit against the software company Microsoft for violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Prosecution resulting in the conviction of 21 of the Montana Freemen after an 81 day armed standoff.
Capture and conviction of the Unabomber.
Capture and conviction of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Capture and conviction of those who conducted the World Trade Center bombing (resulting in life-sentences of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman and 4 conspirators)
Leak to the news media regarding Richard Jewell that led to the widespread and incorrect presumption of his guilt in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. She later apologized, saying "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak." [1]
Identification of the correct suspect (Eric Rudolph) in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing and other bombings, who remained a fugitive throughout her tenure.
Capture and conviction of Mir Aimal Kasi for the CIA headquarters shootings.
The month-long standoff and ensuing deaths of men, women, and children--the Branch Davidians--in Waco, Texas.
Armed seizure of six-year-old Elián González and his return to his surviving parent in Cuba.
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[EagleKeeper]

I thought you guys were frothing at the mouth to control the complete government and screw it up just as royally as what has happened recently.

Remember impeachment (not just the conviction) is a sharp multi-edged sword when used improperly. As was shown with Johnson and Clinton.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Shivetya
good bye... he almost made it up the level of despicable that only Reno achieved

QFT. Janet Reno has more competence and conviction than anyone in the present administration. There is no comparison between Gonzales and Reno. It's like comparing GWB to George Washington.

Reno supervised the following Department of Justice actions:

Bringing suit against the software company Microsoft for violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Prosecution resulting in the conviction of 21 of the Montana Freemen after an 81 day armed standoff.
Capture and conviction of the Unabomber.
Capture and conviction of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Capture and conviction of those who conducted the World Trade Center bombing (resulting in life-sentences of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman and 4 conspirators)
Leak to the news media regarding Richard Jewell that led to the widespread and incorrect presumption of his guilt in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. She later apologized, saying "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak." [1]
Identification of the correct suspect (Eric Rudolph) in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing and other bombings, who remained a fugitive throughout her tenure.
Capture and conviction of Mir Aimal Kasi for the CIA headquarters shootings.
The month-long standoff and ensuing deaths of men, women, and children--the Branch Davidians--in Waco, Texas.
Armed seizure of six-year-old Elián González and his return to his surviving parent in Cuba.
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why did you have to go and remind us of the hell she allowed to happen on her watch. It took Bush to kill more Americans than she did and she wasn't President with a foreign war, she just waged war on Americans

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Lemon law

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(3) Who will GWB announces as a replacement and what kind of Senate confirmation fight will be involved?

Won't be one (confirmation hearing). He'll just use a recess appointment.

AFAIK, this was expected. Back while Congres was in session and poop was hitting the fan for Gonzo, many speculated GWB would have him resign while Congress was on recess so there wouldn't be a big confimation fight.

Ferb

No he won't, he and Harry Reid agreed to no recess appointments when Congress is on break. If Bush goes against this then he will be absolutely pounded and deservedly so.

All I ask is for someone who isn't a "Bushie" a law and order Republican who values the Constitution above being Crony #1.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Shivetya
good bye... he almost made it up the level of despicable that only Reno achieved

QFT. Janet Reno has more competence and conviction than anyone in the present administration. There is no comparison between Gonzales and Reno. It's like comparing GWB to George Washington.

Reno supervised the following Department of Justice actions:

Bringing suit against the software company Microsoft for violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Prosecution resulting in the conviction of 21 of the Montana Freemen after an 81 day armed standoff.
Capture and conviction of the Unabomber.
Capture and conviction of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Capture and conviction of those who conducted the World Trade Center bombing (resulting in life-sentences of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman and 4 conspirators)
Leak to the news media regarding Richard Jewell that led to the widespread and incorrect presumption of his guilt in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. She later apologized, saying "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak." [1]
Identification of the correct suspect (Eric Rudolph) in the Centennial Olympic Park bombing and other bombings, who remained a fugitive throughout her tenure.
Capture and conviction of Mir Aimal Kasi for the CIA headquarters shootings.
The month-long standoff and ensuing deaths of men, women, and children--the Branch Davidians--in Waco, Texas.
Armed seizure of six-year-old Elián González and his return to his surviving parent in Cuba.
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why did you have to go and remind us of the hell she allowed to happen on her watch. It took Bush to kill more Americans than she did and she wasn't President with a foreign war, she just waged war on Americans

Calm down and have another drink of koolaid.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Lemon law

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(3) Who will GWB announces as a replacement and what kind of Senate confirmation fight will be involved?

Won't be one (confirmation hearing). He'll just use a recess appointment.

AFAIK, this was expected. Back while Congres was in session and poop was hitting the fan for Gonzo, many speculated GWB would have him resign while Congress was on recess so there wouldn't be a big confimation fight.

Ferb

No he won't, he and Harry Reid agreed to no recess appointments when Congress is on break. If Bush goes against this then he will be absolutely pounded and deservedly so.

All I ask is for someone who isn't a "Bushie" a law and order Republican who values the Constitution above being Crony #1.

If true about that agreement, I suspect they also have a *confirmation* agreement in place. Otherwise, makes no sense.

Fern

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Lemon law

-snip=
(3) Who will GWB announces as a replacement and what kind of Senate confirmation fight will be involved?

Won't be one (confirmation hearing). He'll just use a recess appointment.

AFAIK, this was expected. Back while Congres was in session and poop was hitting the fan for Gonzo, many speculated GWB would have him resign while Congress was on recess so there wouldn't be a big confimation fight.

Ferb

No he won't, he and Harry Reid agreed to no recess appointments when Congress is on break. If Bush goes against this then he will be absolutely pounded and deservedly so.

All I ask is for someone who isn't a "Bushie" a law and order Republican who values the Constitution above being Crony #1.

If true about that agreement, I suspect they also have a *confirmation* agreement in place. Otherwise, makes no sense.

Fern

It does if the agreement is: "No recess appointment of a new AG....No impeachment proceedings immediately upon return on Tuesday the 4th of September".

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: marincounty
QFT. Janet Reno has more competence and conviction than anyone in the present administration. There is no comparison between Gonzales and Reno. It's like comparing GWB to George Washington.

Thanks for a great laugh :laugh:

Janet Reno presided over the greatest law enforcement debacle ever in this country. She obstructed justice at the highest levels to protect President Clinton at every opportunity.

How ironic to hear Billary asking the President to appoint someone who "upholds the rule of law"...She sure has a short memory.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Stolen from Fark:


White House officials say Attorney General Gonzales has submitted his letter of resignation. However, Gonzales says he can't recall writing any such letter, or his reasons for taking such an action


Whether he was lying to congress or just Brownie-level inept, it's good for him to be leaving.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: marincounty
QFT. Janet Reno has more competence and conviction than anyone in the present administration. There is no comparison between Gonzales and Reno. It's like comparing GWB to George Washington.

Thanks for a great laugh :laugh:

Janet Reno presided over the greatest law enforcement debacle ever in this country. She obstructed justice at the highest levels to protect President Clinton at every opportunity.
How ironic to hear Billary asking the President to appoint someone who "upholds the rule of law"...She sure has a short memory.

And Alberto Gonzales was a shining knight defending the constitution? Did she hide behind executive priviledge and refuse to answer questions? LOL.
She obstructed justice at the highest levels to protect President Clinton? Uhh, he was impeached.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Maybe I am speculating, but I suspect GWB has had a Alberto Gonzales resignation letter in his pocket for many many months. And last Friday is just the official date for spin purposes.

Quite frankly I am surprised the white house retained Gonzales as long as it did because Gonzales became nothing but a epicenter for mega scandal. The question is what prompted
GWB to finally give Gonzales the ole heave ho? There may a public spin explanation, but I suspect one would have to a be a fly on the wall to hear the real thinking.

Yeah, I bet there was a major F'UP someplace. So they decided to get rid of em. I wonder when we'll know the "REAL" reason why he let him go... Probably couldn't get the paper shredder out fast enough... Probably come out after bush is gone...

Just think of all the good stories we are gonna hear ... all the books that will be out on the scandals and corruption. Ought to keep us all entertained for the next 2-3 years. Hopefully bush and dick will burn for some of them. That would be nice.

Edit...

Oh yeah! Seeya gonzo don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

 

[Gaard]

Alberto Gonzales is going to resign

Good. He's a liar.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Janet Reno presided over the greatest law enforcement debacle ever in this country.

which time are you referring to?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Lemon law

-snip=
(3) Who will GWB announces as a replacement and what kind of Senate confirmation fight will be involved?

Won't be one (confirmation hearing). He'll just use a recess appointment.

AFAIK, this was expected. Back while Congres was in session and poop was hitting the fan for Gonzo, many speculated GWB would have him resign while Congress was on recess so there wouldn't be a big confimation fight.

Ferb

No he won't, he and Harry Reid agreed to no recess appointments when Congress is on break. If Bush goes against this then he will be absolutely pounded and deservedly so.

All I ask is for someone who isn't a "Bushie" a law and order Republican who values the Constitution above being Crony #1.

If true about that agreement, I suspect they also have a *confirmation* agreement in place. Otherwise, makes no sense.

Fern

Well the deal was that Reid wanted no recess appointments or he wasn't going to allow the Senate to recess. But I think he is going to allow some of Bush's other nominee's to push through.

As an aside, check out Brit Hume today on AGAG:

"He was simply a crony. And I don?t mean that word to sound any worse than it is, but that was the case here."

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[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Pepsei
"Embattled U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales intends to resign, senior administration officials tell CNN."

on cnn

How insightful... your commentary is legendary - probably even sig worthy!




As to AG A.G. - meh. I never did like him much. Also, no matter who Bush chooses is going to be derided by the moonbat fringe. Nothing Bush does is ever good enough in their eyes.

In all fairness, this is an important, breaking story, and the lack of commentary in the OP probably doesn't warrant your level of snideness.

You can say all you want about the "moonbat fringe," but you can't seriously deny that President Bush has chosen, and stood by some rather marginal appointments. FWIW, I thought John Roberts was an excellent appointment, and always said so, so at least some members of the "moonbat fringe" will give credit where credit is due.

On a related but separate note, do you really think terms like "moonbat fringe" make sense when we're talking about one of the least-beloved Presidents in US history? According to you, something like 70% of the country is part of the fringe, which doesn't make sense either logically or semantically.

Actually I don't care if it's a breaking story or not - are there rules or not? Nevermind - there is no reason for you and I to discuss this. The OP made no comments - I snottily pointed that out. So sue me.

Isn't there a phrase that reads like this in the Please leave inputs thread?

We understand this cannot be a hard and fast rule. It is possible to state an opinion in the Title or Topic Summary of your post, but unless an article is of sufficiently earth shaking importance, simply posting the title or headline of an article would probably not be sufficient.

Now, I may be a political novice, but isn't the resignation of the President's crony Attorney General an earth shattering event in the political scene?

No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

 

[Lemon law]

I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

They'll be in there next to Scooter then. Oh, wait...

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Lemon law
At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

They'll be in there next to Scooter then. Oh, wait...

Yeah its funny that our current crop of GOP public servants are above the law.

I hope that AG is tried and found guilty (OF PERJURY AT LEAST) and I PRAY that GWB gives him the get out of jail free card..it will only perpetuate the full blown corruption of the GOP.

I'd be laughing right there next to you.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see CadsortaGUY is having another fantasy when he says---No. People resign all the time and it's been known for quite some time that Bush wants anyone who stays past this labor day to stay until the end of his presidency. So no - this isn't "earth shattering".

Maybe that thinking might apply to Rove or Snow---but as for Alberto---I very seriously doubt it. At least Snow will not leave with subpoenas hanging over his head or under intense ethical clouds. As I post this I am listening to national network news with the verdict being, Gonzales has lost all credibility.

At least Snow took a job that requires being a for hire political spinner, with Rove and Gonzales, the end question may hinge on ultimately winding up in jail.

:roll:

I have never been a big fan of Gonzo and am glad he is leaving(albeit months too late IMO) but this is only "earth shattering" to those hyper-partisans on the left who have been gunning for him anyway. Yes, it's important news, even "breaking" news but nothing within our system has changed or otherwise been altered by this resignation - just like resignations before.