al-Shabaab once again does what Islam does best

[rommelrommel]

But how do you judge while never read it and absolutely knows nothing beside 5% of it's contents. It's a 600-pages book.

Well, I guess it comes down to religious vs non-religious views about the creation of life, why we were created, and what are the orders of our creator. In this aspect, we're so
Myself? I had my share of thoughts about many aspects after I grown up. I have many indicators to believe in the God and worship him, regardless of the acts of the whole religious populations.

Why do you think I have not read it?

 

[OutHouse]

and yet they are still playing second fiddle to the people who have killed in the name of jesus.

Who is they?

Slaughtering people because they don't believe in your Bullshit is wrong. Christian or muslim. I'll condemned it every time and never find excuses like yours to excuse it because somebody did it 700 years ago.

 

[OutHouse]

I believe that considering Muslims as the current-biggest threat is absurd, the least to be said.

Why did you guys forget about the not-so-far WWII, 60-Millions were reportedly killed by the evil greatest powers of the world. And I don't give a crap in which name it was started, then later was savagely-ended and revenged by the war-criminals of both the communists and the allied forces. Oh, and we were gifted here with a small enemy state that were left freely to develop and create only-God-know how many nukes they currently have.

Thank God though; we aren't the bastards who developed and created the nukes. We never been racing to develop WMDs, that won't only defeat your enemies forces, but also take down most of their innocent-civilians along. That is a true terrorism, and that's what we must fight for: disarm the greatest powers of nukes before they kill half the world's population in a matter of days.

wtf?

 

[thraashman]

You are either a fucking idiot or a liar, take your pick.

He could be both.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Personally, I'm disgusted by this and believe that the world would be a far better place if the entire Islamic world were turned into glass.

damn think of all the glass cleaner....

 

[JEDIYoda]

and yet they are still playing second fiddle to the people who have killed in the name of jesus.

totally irrelevant when it come to this discussion..

 

[irishScott]

wtf?

You're looking at the result of a culture that prefers to isolate itself from the outside world. There's that fun statistic that Spain translates more books into Spanish in one year than the Arab world has translated into Arabic in the last century.

 

[Omar F1]

Why do you think I have not read it?

Do you claim that you had read it all thoroughly from cover to cover, or just were skipping through and picking parts of it.
With due respect, I could hardly believe it.

 

[Blue_Max]

You're looking at the result of a culture that prefers to isolate itself from the outside world. There's that fun statistic that Spain translates more books into Spanish in one year than the Arab world has translated into Arabic in the last century.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY1-KJ_1-UE

 

[rommelrommel]

Do you claim that you had read it all thoroughly from cover to cover, or just were skipping through and picking parts of it.
With due respect, I could hardly believe it.

I have. Along with the bible. In English of course tho.

 

[Whiskey16]

(I) believe that the world would be a far better place if the entire Islamic world were turned into glass.

The usual apologists will be along to flame you shortly.

Pfft. I am right on this.

Also ok with the glass statement.

karadin is explicitly clear to incite violent terrorism and the genocidal extermination of Muslims. Using this forums to propagate extreme hatred, genocide, and violence, and STILL keep on posting with zero contrition to civil morality:

Sick fucker. members continue to attempt to turn this forum into an even more extremist venue than Stormfront.

I apologise to the forum, Kadarin, frowtr, and other members who expressed support to the OP's position.

I was clearly in error with my over the top rhetorical generalisation of the OP expressing a desire to exterminate all Muslims. A desire to nuke 1.4 billion people, obliterate Islam from the face of the earth, and fellow Anandtech members support of such goals is undeserving of my replying rants, particularly of my analogy of such expressed speech by Kadarin and others bringing down any forum to the expected low levels of Stormfront. Jews expect marginalisation on Stormfront, yet I don't know how Muslims are received there, and am therefore in gross error for possible misinformation in relating such posts as above to what may be present on Stormfront.

I was way over the top and contritely apologise to the entire membership whom I have offended.

 

[Omar F1]

I have. Along with the bible. In English of course tho.

Well, I honestly believe it now, and as I said earlier it comes down to way-different perspectives between us to understand and construe the context of Quran or any religious books.

But let me add a point here, honestly the Quran is much more different when read in Arabic; it's original form and exact words of God, as we claim.
Myself? I read it once every year. However, I can't withstand reading it's English translation, no way at all. It's much more beautiful, fluid and better constructed in Arabic form, and that's why we claim it's a miracle in itself.


Anyway, and unfortunately though, we reached a dead end on this topic and many other similar ones before.
It's the same and usual generalized accusations and nothing substantial to discuss further.

Contrary to some people here, I got no problem with OP speaking his mind out, as far as he isn't an official representative talking out publicly.
The real problem in fact, is their unwillingness to seriously discuss the subject.

 

[Newell Steamer]

A small group of religious extremists do something horrific and that religion, in it's entirely, needs to have all it's followers (1.6 billion) "turned to glass", because violence and murder is horrific and wrong.

:hmm:

I think we just figured out who the real monsters are here.

Also, for a religion that makes up nearly a quarter of this planet's population, they sure do seem to be taking their sweet time in invading and killing us all.

edit: And, the majority of the victims at the hands of these extremists are Muslims.

 

[Whiskey16]

I apologise to the forum, Kadarin, frowtr, and other members who expressed support to the OP's position.

Oops, I forgot to add a sarcasm tag for my previous post. 😉

Yes, at Stormfront there is an expectation for posts to marginalise and even threaten Blacks and Jews. Quite probably Muslims as well.

I guess what we see is that the societal norms have progressed where such past generalised targets to hateful abuse may no longer receive popular expressions of defiling bigotry... Currently, not so for Muslims:

[... believe that the world would be a far better place if the entire Islamic world were turned into glass...]

The point I'm trying to make is that the world *would* be a better place if Islam did not exist.

Kardarin is squirming about to deny his concise OP call to exterminate all Muslims, and is so out to lunch that he thinks it's rational to separate Muslims (who practice Islam) from Islam.

Let's be honest and move back in time a few decades to rephrase his statement:

The point I'm trying to make is that the world *would* be a better place if world Jewry did not exist.

A major temporal difference being that the blatant and full on hatred of Muslims is currently mainstream, as it once was for blacks, Jews, etc...

Stormfront is not mainstream and deservedly belongs in the dark recesses of the internet. In contrast, AnandTech is mainstream, yet for the years I have been present in the P&N, it is common to witness some long standing and regular members of this forum feeling socially comfortable in abusing this forum to post such extreme and generalised hatred and even further into crazy-land with explicit directions for terrorising violence that do certainly directly mirror German Nazi brownshirts and the Klu Klux Klan of the defeated past.

Such characterisations are most certainly not over the top rhetoric nor generalised untruths -- such direct analogies are founded in the truth of extreme aspects of social history sadly continuing and therefore I will continue to stand strong to call a spade a spade, for my own integrity and of the fear that a discourse of full on violent hatred achieves societal control.

 

[Whiskey16]

For an honest contextual clarification of the OP's call to exterminate all Muslims, as an old timer and regular member, Kadarin is not a lone bad apple in the P&N. An extremist culture continues for the the most violent expression of generalised hateful bigotry, terrorism and genocide.

The OP is responsible for beginning a thread with the theme of genocide and of the need to obliterate Muslims from this earth, so let's follow through with Kadarin's lead to see if he is alone in his expressed sentiments among other long standing regulars of this forum.

Here is but a small sample that a forum interloper such as myself has come across:

I believe that it is time that the world stops being afraid of being labelled 'racist' and call a spade a spade. Islam as of now is no longer just a religion. It has turned into a violent, dangerous cult. A cult that preaches death upon nonbelievers. Something like this has absolutely no place in the modern society.

Do you believe that people should be wary of muslims and place checks on their ever increasing populations?

If peace and security eventually require killing them all [Palestinians], they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

Keep any "disturbing views" that advocate the deaths of an entire population to yourself. They are not welcome here.
admin allisolm

Were it me, I'd have fled or killed enough Palestinians to make them flee.

Hamas is getting Exactly what they have been asking for. I say good, run the whole population of the Gaza into the ocean and they will all be better off for it.

Everyone, please take notice. Passions are running high over this, and I don't wish to be heavy-handed, so I am presently just ASKING everyone not to indulge in such blood-thirsty rhetoric.

Perknose
Forum Director

Good, they need to exterminate every person in gaza.

Advocating the wholesale extermination, the genocide, of an entire population -- women, children, otherwise innocent civilians and all -- will NOT be further tolerated on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director

See, the only way that this problem is solved is if one group of people disappear. I'll probably get banned for voicing that opinion as I have been warned prior, but I guess the truth hurts. Nobody likes to say it but it is what it is. These people have nothing to live for so of course they get brain washed into thinking that its their destiny to kill jews. Alittle carpet bombing like what went on in dresden and other german towns would probably do some good over there. I'm sure in this day and age it's not PC to mention but war is hell and you can't get PC in war. Just look at every war after WW2 and the disasters they've been.

You only got a warning for advocating extermination just before, as a courtesy, even though you well deserved an infraction. It seems to have sent you the wrong message. Perhaps this infraction will.

Perknose
Forum Director

Just sterilize them all. Don't have to kill them. Chop the family jewels off the men and sterilize the women.

Israel tried to make a 2 state solution but they just keep attacking. They are begging to be exterminated. If one side does not want peace, what are you suppose to do? It would be like the Jews making peace with Nazi's as the walk into the showers and the ovens!


This is the just the latest in a series of inflated, highly regrettable hate rhetoric which goes beyond the bounds of acceptability, not only on ATP&N, but amongst sane, adult humans everywhere.

EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE NOTE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. No more calls for mass extermination, mass exile, or mass sterilization will be allowed to stand here. We understand the high emotions on all sides of this conflict, and have allowed repeated instances of this to stand in the interests of "free speech", but this is our line in the sand. NO MORE. Cross it at your own peril.

Perknose
Forum Director

There will be no peace until Israel takes the gloves off and inflicts enough pain on the Palestinians...

Israel has the right to prosecute that war until surrender. The Israelis can kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza as far as I'm concerned, if that's what it takes. If the last one alive is laying there slowly dying, the Israelis come up and ask, "Do you surrender," and he or she says, "Death to Israel," the Israelis have the right to shoot them in the head.
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The highlighted in red above is not an acceptable comment here.

Perknose
Forum Director

It has already taken centuries. It only has about a hundred years left to go. I have faith in Western men that we will prevail. When Europe wakes up (as the French are precariously close to doing) there will be blood in the streets, internment camps, mass deportation and international strife.

Muslims are legion. They don't have the technology or high functioning intelligence of the enemy, but they are cheap, expendable and numerous. Have you ever read the book Starship Troopers? The muslims are the bugs, and Jews are the cap troopers.

They're smart enough not to be shamed into silence by political correctness and multiculturalism in the face of an insidious threat to their way of life.

It's tolerated because it's the opinion of the vast majority of the West. Is that a surprise? You realize we have entire wars dedicated to killing Muslims right?

If you think most Americans would shed a tear over dead Palestinian kids, you're wrong. One less future terrorist. The sooner all the Palestinians are wiped out, the sooner I don't have to hear about their bullshit in the news.

You and those like you are the enemy of the West and it's way of life. That's why you're ignored, denigrated and laughed at despite what I'm sure is a significant effort to construct eloquent arguments to make us feel bad. But like I said, those of us with more than an academic knowledge of you and your kind wouldn't mind if you filmed us while we put your entire extended family in one mass grave, because we know eventually it'll be you or us. We either fight now, alongside Israel, or wait until you convince enough idiots to let you gain the upper hand.

You say "us all" in an attempt to conceal yourself amongst others (a classic muslim\terrorist tactic.) You're the only one advocating for your viewpoints here, and what I said was directed at you, your family, and those like you. If you're going to quote me all the time, you might as well pay attention to what you're quoting. 🙄

Yes, with every fibre of my bones, I hate such violent expressions of all out hatred. Kadarin's continuing thread with the theme to exterminate all Muslims is not to be ignored nor cast off as a one-off outlier.

A culture of railing to obliterate the Muslim bogeyman has become mainstream. Even on forums and the reply sections of leading national news services it has become a regular and sometimes even dominating discourse to single out Muslims for hyperbolic and xenophobic hatred. If too few people correctly identify a spade for a spade, then extremism gets the upper hand.

In a moral society, none should ever feel comfortable to express incitement to the ultimate crimes, nor should others ever feel cowed into submissive silence when faced with the most violent of extremism.

 

[Blue_Max]

Where was this passion and dedication to your cause when it came to feminists' #killallmen?

Or the pillaging of all non-muslim religious structures throughout the entire middle east?

The oldest Christian church in the world was brought to rubble by muslim raiders about a year ago in a "kill all kafirs" crusade. Where was the outrage then?


Why do only women and muslims get this special protected/untouchable status?

 

[Whiskey16]

Where was this passion and dedication to your cause when it came to feminists' #killallmen?

Those ranting to kill all Muslims are present, apparently endemic, and active here and myself and others are directly engaging them.

Or for creative and argumentative sake, are you being disingenuous and denying that I have also been active in this forum to take stands against misogyny, homophobia, minority disenfranchisement, black debtors prisons in the southern USA, etc?

Blue Max, I can play this relative game too and it is quite telling that you wish to question my moral aptitude while you remain quite active in this thread defending the OP and not lifting a finger in critique against his desire to exterminate all Muslims.

Yet wait! Blue_Max, you wrote this on page 1 of this thread:

...this unrest will only worsen in every single country until we either convert, die, or eliminate them [Muslims]once and for all.

Blue_Max, you truly are on the same page as the OP. Kadarin is most certainly not a lone with his genocidal inclinations, and there are certainly a number of present members here making an effort to turn the AnandTech P&N into a bigoted hate festival as the likes of Stormfront.

 

[irishScott]

Where was this passion and dedication to your cause when it came to feminists' #killallmen?

Or the pillaging of all non-muslim religious structures throughout the entire middle east?

The oldest Christian church in the world was brought to rubble by muslim raiders about a year ago in a "kill all kafirs" crusade. Where was the outrage then?


Why do only women and muslims get this special protected/untouchable status?

Because white men, particularly Americans, are the most powerful group on the planet. When radical women suggest killing all men, or radical Muslims suggest killing all Americans, it's cute because it'll never happen. When some random white American (I'm assuming) on the internet talks about killing all Muslims, there's some perception that it could actually mean more than empty talk.

Don't get me wrong I'm as against genocide as anyone, but I took Kadarin's comments as sarcastic. Granted it's hard to tell on the internet, but I sincerely doubt given the chance he'd actually give the order to glass the middle east. Lots of people run their mouths on the internet.

 

[Whiskey16]

Lots of people run their mouths on the internet.

..and a smidgen of those presenting individuals, or others encouraged by the incitement, certainly do choose to act upon the desires. Or is this all a non-responsible and benign bubble?

Whip up enough public sentiment and angst then there are certainly an increase in responses. That whole root causes and social responsibility thing... :\

What societal culture do we desire? What do we wish to promote, incite, or refrain?

 

[Blue_Max]

Blue Max, I can play this relative game too and it is quite telling that you wish to question my moral aptitude while you remain quite active in this thread defending the OP and not lifting a finger in critique against his desire to exterminate all Muslims.

Yet wait! Blue_Max, you wrote this on page 1 of this thread:

Blue_Max, you truly are on the same page as the OP. Kadarin is most certainly not a lone with his genocidal inclinations, and there are certainly a number of present members here making an effort to turn the AnandTech P&N into a bigoted hate festival as the likes of Stormfront.

Deflecting away from the issue that we kafirs are facing a growing force that wants us subjugated and/or dead. (And don't try to deny that too, or shall we whip out the ol' q-book for some quotes? Over 80% of this book deals with how to treat kafirs so there's plenty to go on...)

I'll ask the question again - at what point do the kafirs of the world say ENOUGH and fight back at the people who have been screaming for their heads for generations? So much of the world has been trying to pretend that islam really is peaceful... mostly to just avoid bumping the hornet's nest and causing more riots in our streets.

islam declared war with the west ages ago. At what point do we say, "You wanted a fight? You got one!"

How much more of our own culture do we have to give up to avoid offending muslims before we put our foot down and shout, "ENOUGH!! If you don't want bacon on a burger, don't order it! If you don't like Christmas, do something else while we celebrate. Etc, etc, etc. But noooooooo... muslims will scream, rant, protest and riot until the offending thing is removed. Like bacon from Subway restaurants overseas. Or Christmas plays.

Meanwhile, they can be as offensive as they want and anyone who complains gets slapped with negative labels; racist, islamaphobe, intolerant, hatemonger. Then they invariably turn up the heat to incite others to rally to the "victim" and attach the "oppressor".

(Interestingly, the very same tactic is being used by muslims and feminists alike, to great effect.)

In every country in the world, we see what happens when muslim populations grow and they have the power to do what they want. They violently take over. At what point do we finally say, "Enough. It's time to change because you're hurting everyone - yourselves included. Stop this - or we'll make you stop to protect ourselves AND you."


So as much as you're trying hard to paint me as a bad guy, I only want what's good for the whole damned world. Islam can stay in the middle east and do unto themselves to their hearts' content. Most of us want to live in peace, which islam is utterly incapable of.

Grow up, or we'll have no choice but to protect ourselves from a terrible, violent culture - and remove it from our land.


All you have to learn to do is coexist and not take over. It's that simple.

 

[Whiskey16]

Grow up, or we'll have no choice but to protect ourselves from a terrible, violent culture - and remove it [Muslims/Islam] from our land.

How may you do that?

...this unrest will only worsen in every single country until we either convert, die, or eliminate them once and for all.

Full on, over the top and generalised xenophobia to eliminate a targeted group from our population. Hateful incitement to repeat the worst of history, now against Muslims.

Now people, what is hate speech? Certainly not the active recognition of what presentations are unacceptable in a civilised society. I proudly hate what Blue_Max is saying.

These number of members who continue to make such vile presentations are responsible for their misbehaviour.

What we witness is repeated and present by fellow members of this forum...The existence of this is not some over-generalised fantasy. A culture is entrenched and this present extremism certainly defiles the forum and discourages the presence of more rational membership. This expressed extremism by multiple long standing members in the P&N is a truly disproportionate representation of the wider world, and likely even the wider AnandTech community. I wish to have faith in the civil morality of humanity. Blue_Max is in stark opposition to acceptable behaviour and would have made a fine brownshirt or a white hooded terrorist.

Such intolerable and violent extremism continues to be an expressed trend. How dare some of us react and recognise these incitements to bigoted violence for what they are?

 

[disappoint]

Yeah, that's the thing. Islam has not had its Reformation, and it's nowhere in sight. While I have no doubt that the great majority of Muslims are peaceable, the faith has no shortage of powerful leaders who espouse hatred and terrorism, and it is a mainstream part of the faith in many parts of the world to marginalize and brutalize females and heretics.

Those powerful leaders who espouse hatred and violence wouldn't exist if it weren't for their followers.

They are just giving their followers what they (their followers) want.

 

[brycejones]

How may you do that?

Full on, over the top and generalised xenophobia to eliminate a targeted group from our population. Hateful incitement to repeat the worst of history, now against Muslims.

Now people, what is hate speech? Certainly not the active recognition of what presentations are unacceptable in a civilised society. I proudly hate what Blue_Max is saying.

These number of members who continue to make such vile presentations are responsible for their misbehaviour.

What we witness is repeated and present by fellow members of this forum...The existence of this is not some over-generalised fantasy. A culture is entrenched and this present extremism certainly defiles the forum and discourages the presence of more rational membership. This expressed extremism by multiple long standing members in the P&N is a truly disproportionate representation of the wider world, and likely even the wider AnandTech community. I wish to have faith in the civil morality of humanity. Blue_Max is in stark opposition to acceptable behaviour and would have made a fine brownshirt or a white hooded terrorist.

Such intolerable and violent extremism continues to be an expressed trend. How dare some of us react and recognise these incitements to bigoted violence for what they are?

From this thread I've learned Blue_Max is not only afraid of women but of Muslims as well.

 

[Blue_Max]

hateful hateful bad bad bad

You did a fine job of ignoring everything I had to say and scream loudly that I'm "bad" for saying it. You have ZERO interest in discussing islam's negative points (which are very real and MUST be dealt with at some point.)

HOWEVER, when your plans for dealing with them include elimination of an entire populace as even a possibility (as in nuking Mecca)You don't get to post them here. They are not welcome. Not for this problem nor for any other. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.
admin allisolm

Congratulations - you've proved my point. Again. All you want to do is shut down the discussion and dissuade anyone else from bringing it up again.

 

[Blue_Max]

From this thread I've learned Blue_Max is not only afraid of women but of Muslims as well.

Heh, shame-and-blame, didn't expect that from a feminist. [/sarcasm]

Trust you to also not get the point that there are genuine problems to solve through discussion, but anyone who attempts discussion is met with zealots foaming at the mouth and screaming that anyone who brings up a touchy subject is "bad".

I'm not stupid enough to "fear" as you put it, but smart enough to know what's a genuine problem. Modern feminism and islam are both harsh, cruel totalitarian "thought control" cultures, as Catholicism was once.