al-Shabaab once again does what Islam does best

[Blue_Max]

and yet they are still playing second fiddle to the people who have killed in the name of jesus.

Now that's just complete, desperate horseshit.

America may have one been a Christian nation, and troops may occasionally be led in some kind of public-speaker "prayer", but none of them are killing anyone because they were ordered to by a religious leader, or because the bible or Jesus "told them to".

The ingredients just aren't there (old testament Judaism has a few, but modern Jews don't stone people anymore, for example.)

Time after time Jesus himself said NOT to do these violent things people seemed to be bent on doing. You're trying to imply J did.

"Crusades!" you'll cry! Those evil Christians tried to take back their lands that were conquered!
Yeah.

Honesty. Wouldn't it be great to have a little honesty.

 

[Brian Stirling]

and yet they are still playing second fiddle to the people who have killed in the name of jesus.

The big three religions that originated in the ME have a long history of hate and there's millions of dead to prove it. While in this day and age Islam is more at fault at other times the other two have done there part.

The ME has been a breeding ground for hatred and religions for thousands of years and the two go hand in hand. It may well be the case that more people have been killed in the name of god than all other causes of violent death.

The very history in the ME that gave rise to these three religions is also the proof that they are NOT the spokesmen of god and have no connection with any true god. No real god would approve what the leaders of any of these religions have done -- in the name of god!


Brian

 

[Blue_Max]

Muslims preach hatred and kill thousands. Christians burn the Quran and hundreds more Muslims become terrorist and kill still more people. Looks to me like a tag team from hell.

Which brings us to where we are today in the first world, where our strategy consists of:

"Suck up to them and try not to piss 'em off. We're trying to believe the 'religion of piece' line so we can sleep at night."

 

[nickqt]

To do that we'd need Islam to have a Christianity-style enlightenment. Any ideas on how to enlighten 1.6 billion largely impoverished people living in shitholes that doesn't take centuries?

Islam may not be inherently evil, but it encourages and caters to those who are.

The Christian enlightenment came from within Christianity itself, as science made less and less of it relevant to everyday life.

Non-Muslims can help by not continuing to push into their countries/regions spreading $, weapons and power to whichever dictators give our country and businesses "free market" rights.

Iran is a great example of what happens when US "interests" (interests is a euphemism that means US Empire Business) intervenes with the middle east and the governments there. Iran wasn't controlled by a religious theocracy in 1952, and had a democratically-elected PM who didn't chant death to Amurica. You can google what happened to Iran in 1953 and then 1979 yourself. And here we are today.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

To do that we'd need Islam to have a Christianity-style enlightenment. Any ideas on how to enlighten 1.6 billion largely impoverished people living in shitholes that doesn't take centuries?

Islam may not be inherently evil, but it encourages and caters to those who are.

Yeah, that's the thing. Islam has not had its Reformation, and it's nowhere in sight. While I have no doubt that the great majority of Muslims are peaceable, the faith has no shortage of powerful leaders who espouse hatred and terrorism, and it is a mainstream part of the faith in many parts of the world to marginalize and brutalize females and heretics. I think it would take an exceptionally naive person to disagree that Islam is, at this moment in human history, likely the most destructive force on Earth. While I would never call for violence against Muslims simply because of their faith, I would far rather the religion itself simply ceased to exist. Equating present-day Islam with present-day Christianity or Judaism is completely stupid and misguided moral relativism.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Now that's just complete, desperate horseshit.

America may have one been a Christian nation, and troops may occasionally be led in some kind of public-speaker "prayer", but none of them are killing anyone because they were ordered to by a religious leader, or because the bible or Jesus "told them to".
.

Say, I wonder if the people that lived in the America's before the Europeans arrived, and before Christ, would agree that they we're not decimated by White men speaking the words of Jesus. You know those godless heathens needed to convert and accept Jesus as there savior or suffer the consequences.


Brian

 

[nickqt]

Yeah, that's the thing. Islam has not had its Reformation, and it's nowhere in sight. While I have no doubt that the great majority of Muslims are peaceable, the faith has no shortage of powerful leaders who espouse hatred and terrorism, and it is a mainstream part of the faith in many parts of the world to marginalize and brutalize females and heretics. I think it would take an exceptionally naive person to disagree that Islam is, at this moment in human history, likely the most destructive force on Earth. While I would never call for violence against Muslims simply because of their faith, I would far rather the religion itself simply ceased to exist. Equating present-day Islam with present-day Christianity or Judaism is completely stupid and misguided moral relativism.

I disagree that Islam is the most destructive force on the Earth.

Hatred, bigotry, and greed are far more destructive, whether it's zipped up in a Mooselman outfit, a Christian outfit, or a "Freedom!" outfit.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I disagree that Islam is the most destructive force on the Earth.

Hatred, bigotry, and greed are far more destructive, whether it's zipped up in a Mooselman outfit, a Christian outfit, or a "Freedom!" outfit.

/golfclap

 

[Omar F1]

I think people should admit that the existence of Islam is completely the fault of both Christianity and Judaism, as they had altered and changed parts of their sacred books. Therefore a newer and last try deemed necessary by the God.

1,400-years, still nobody could dare to touch or reform Quran contexts.


As I always say, you should read the history from other side of the conflict, as only then you might state a neutral opinion, if you care to seek neutrality in the first place.

 

[rommelrommel]

I think people should admit that the existence of Islam is completely the fault of both Christianity and Judaism, as they had altered and changed parts of their sacred books. Therefore a newer and last try deemed necessary by the God.

1,400-years, still nobody could dare to touch or reform Quran contexts.


As I always say, you should read the history from other side of the conflict, as only then you might state a neutral opinion, if you care to seek neutrality in the first place.

Or we can just admit that it's all bullshit.

And I assume that you're ignoring the many sects that follow the Quran. Because, if the Quran is god's best try it sure as hell has been confusing to the followers. Maybe we should try Joseph Smith's flavour of bullshit?

 

[Brian Stirling]

Or we can just admit that it's all bullshit.

And I assume that you're ignoring the many sects that follow the Quran. Because, if the Quran is god's best try it sure as hell has been confusing to the followers. Maybe we should try Joseph Smith's flavour of bullshit?

Or Jim Jones!


Brian

 

[Omar F1]

Or we can just admit that it's all bullshit.

And I assume that you're ignoring the many sects that follow the Quran. Because, if the Quran is god's best try it sure as hell has been confusing to the followers. Maybe we should try Joseph Smith's flavour of bullshit?

BS about which part exactly, being intact as it was first compiled by 2nd Caliph after the prophet death? or else the contexts that calls for violence against non-believers, in which I'm sure they did exist in both Christianity and Judaism as well, because simply they were all sent by the exact same God, as Muslims claim goes.

 

[Darwin333]

Typical apologist statement.

All of the ingredients are there in the Q-book. The example of their great, Imerious Leader, big-m, is what it is.

islam will never, ever be non-violent until we can have an HONEST discussion about big-m's violent example, and the constant anger expressed in the q-book.

But NoooOOOOOoooo... all we get is the constant denial, deflection, and "how dare you question!" attacks instead of tackling the issue head-on.


...this unrest will only worsen in every single country until we either convert, die, or eliminate them once and for all. Sounds awful, right? Every liberal in the room is now in a rage but it doesn't change the facts. The only peaceful muslims are the ones NOT following the q-book or big-m's example.

They're saying "convert or die".
It's time the rest of the world said back "civilize yourselves or face the fight you keep trying to start with us".



I wonder if nuking Mecca and eliminating the ability to enter paradise would end the religion, or would they ignore the q-book and just build a new borg cube to march around?

Have you ever read the Old Testament?

 

[MongGrel]

And I always thought the crusades where do to a bit of overpopulation and they sent a lot of people over there just to send e on some Monty Python quest type of thing att.

"Go, conqueror for the Pope"

Yeeeeeeehhhaaaaaaa.

Seems we are still at it and haven't gotten much smarter.

From latest estimates I've seen Muslims are going to out number Cristians in the next 10 years, but of course we'll always have plenty of Chinese building Sand Islands and stuff and expanding in Africa too.

See if Putin starts nuking people when he gets senile yet maybe

One bad night and we might have Dr Stranglelove when he says fuck it.

 

[noob_saibot]

You know what really makes 0bama mad?

No, not Jihadis slaughtering Kenyans, even though he's half Kenyan.

No, it's when our ally's head of state gives a speech to Congress.

 

[rommelrommel]

BS about which part exactly, being intact as it was first compiled by 2nd Caliph after the prophet death? or else the contexts that calls for violence against non-believers, in which I'm sure they did exist in both Christianity and Judaism as well, because simply they were all sent by the exact same God, as Muslims claim goes.

I meant the contents. I give no fucks if the thing was recorded on archival grade microfiche by the "prophet" himself. It's bullshit from the first word to the last whether it's from last week or the last millennium.

 

[MongGrel]

You know what really makes 0bama mad?

No, not Jihadis slaughtering Kenyans, even though he's half Kenyan.

No, it's when our ally's head of state gives a speech to Congress.

I shall know address you as twat face every time I every see you.

 

[thraashman]

Typical apologist statement.

All of the ingredients are there in the Q-book. The example of their great, Imerious Leader, big-m, is what it is.

islam will never, ever be non-violent until we can have an HONEST discussion about big-m's violent example, and the constant anger expressed in the q-book.

But NoooOOOOOoooo... all we get is the constant denial, deflection, and "how dare you question!" attacks instead of tackling the issue head-on.


...this unrest will only worsen in every single country until we either convert, die, or eliminate them once and for all. Sounds awful, right? Every liberal in the room is now in a rage but it doesn't change the facts. The only peaceful muslims are the ones NOT following the q-book or big-m's example.

They're saying "convert or die".
It's time the rest of the world said back "civilize yourselves or face the fight you keep trying to start with us".



I wonder if nuking Mecca and eliminating the ability to enter paradise would end the religion, or would they ignore the q-book and just build a new borg cube to march around?

You are a very bigoted person with some serious hate issues that you should try to resolve. I've heard from my Christian friends that finding Jesus can cure your hate issues. Maybe you should consider converting to Christianity and letting go of all your hate.

 

[tracerbullet]

So if I'm reading this right, all Muslims are terrorists, and the Christian thing to do is kill them?

 

[thraashman]

So if I'm reading this right, all Muslims are terrorists, and the Christian thing to do is kill them?

Well, you're reading the ATP&N response correctly. However what you're reading is by no means "right".

 

[FerrelGeek]

You never fail to impress me with your appalling stupidity. I have never advocated for the death of all Muslims. My issue has always been with the over eagerness of some to downplay the behavior of these fringe militant groups. Your posts are a steaming pile of hatred and quite frankly, you are a bad person. You have no idea what my religion is, but that doesn't stop your ignorant blathering. Go ah heck yourself with barbed wire.

Lol! So the wishing of 1.4 billion people by the OP to be dead results in silence by you but I say include all religious people and suddenly I'm the bad guy?

Maybe if you actually had real principals and not fake religious ones you'd be outraged by the OP's comment AND this latest terrorist attack. Nah, your religion is the only one that has justification of murder.



Lol! More and more fucking morons every day.

 

[Whiskey16]

...far better place if the entire Islamic world were turned into glass.

Perma-ban this terrorist fuck.

Zero tolerance. A member with over 40,000 posts has no excuse for ignorance of civility and the rules.

Hate speech to the extreme. Incitement to terrorism and genocide. Another Anders Breivik disciple.

Abusing this formum for a public call to kill your Muslim neighbour and the remaining billion+ in this world. To kill blacks and Jews weren't enough -- all Muslims are the target for death now.

AnandTech -- regular members' continuation to make a more extreme version of Stormfront. Make an example -- greatly publicise the lesson. Violent extremism and terrorists have no voice at AnandTech.

 

[Blanky]

Religion of peace, nobody is surprised.

 

[Whiskey16]

Religion of peace, nobody is surprised.

If al-Shabaab is the representative if Islam, then selection of Muslims in Kosovo and Bosnia for massacre made the genocidal Christian Serb's representative of all Christians. We're approaching the 20th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre. A far greater scale than this abhorrent massacre in Kenya.

Political fighting and tribalism are the root causes of such extreme disorder. This forum regularly embellishes such bigoted differentiation to an extreme.

Bloody bigots will use whatever excuse they can to marginalise and incite generalised hatred against their targeted group. As blacks and Jews were once the common groups for scorn, this thread is a perfect example of the AnandTech community's regular hatred and incitement to terrorism and genocide against all Muslims.

Quite telling that the majority of posts here choose to imply implicit support for the opening post's incitement to kill all Muslims, "...the world would be a far better place if the entire Islamic world were turned into glass."

In this forum, who are the present terrorists? I suggest that the active majority here support genocide and slaughter if it's to be against the contemporary bogeyman. They are the majority because such extreme hate is all to entrenched by a membership. This extremist membership reasonably discourages more representative posts of the wider and more moderate population. Few would choose to be associated with bile and shit.

 

[Blanky]

If al-Shabaab is the representative if Islam

They are representative of a fairly popular form of Islam, an extreme one that calls for the death of people who are not in concert with it. Case in point the thousands upon thousands killed each year in its name, across the world. There is obviously something about islam that lets these people kill in its name that other religions in the modern world lack in such broad applicability.