al-Shabaab once again does what Islam does best

[umbrella39]

The usual apologists will be along to flame you shortly.

The usual islamophobes will be along shorty to hug your nuts... oh, too late.

 

[Omar F1]

Over 80% of this book deals with how to treat kafirs

Well, you're either intentionally spreading such false information, or else being totally ignorant about the subject you're talking about.

As I said earlier, you could keep generalizing such a vastly different Islamic-nations with baseless-accusations and distortion of their history, or we could discuss some specific points from a specified countries.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you're willing to actually have a discussion on the "convert or die" stuff your 'perfect' prophet instructed? Or are you just going to continue calling me evil for not wanting to convert (or die.)

For the record, I don't want "all muslims to die" -- I'd like to be able to get along like all other religions in the world are able to do. Getting along with islam means to give in to every single demand or face violence. I know YOU don't see that as a bad thing - the kafirs of the world don't like being bullied.

At what point do we say "ENOUGH!" and truly fight back from an entire religi-culture that wants our subjugation and elimination?


...or can islam evolve past violence? History suggests it won't...

Yep, every day 1.6 billion Muslims wake up and their first thought is, ' I wonder how many Christians I can kill today'. And then they go out and kill them. You are ever so lucky you don't have Muslims where you live. Pray that they never find you. You just might end up being the last Christian left.

 

[Victorian Gray]

damn think of all the glass cleaner....

Isn't soap better?

 

[Victorian Gray]

You did a fine job of ignoring everything I had to say and scream loudly that I'm "bad" for saying it. You have ZERO interest in discussing islam's negative points (which are very real and MUST be dealt with at some point.)

HOWEVER, when your plans for dealing with them include elimination of an entire populace as even a possibility (as in nuking Mecca)You don't get to post them here. They are not welcome. Not for this problem nor for any other. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.
admin allisolm

Congratulations - you've proved my point. Again. All you want to do is shut down the discussion and dissuade anyone else from bringing it up again.

 

[1prophet]

Hey, there's no denying that today Muslims are responsible for most of the religious based horror in the world but they have allies. Whenever some moron Christian leader burns a Quran you can bet that the terrorist ranks will expand and people will die because of it.

Frankly, they are all the same and the big three religions have the blood of hundreds of millions on there hands. God must be happy with them...


Brian

So what,

Don't remember you phony liberal apologists criticizing artists for putting a crucifix in urine because it might incite christian violence,

You called it art and defended it as such,

You certainly wouldn't tell a woman she can't wear a short dress because it will bring out the rapists and sexual assaults will rise,

You call it freedom of speech and defend it as such,

You certainly wouldn't blame the doctor performing abortions for the clinic and all those inside if it got bombed because some christian terrorist was offended by it,

You call it a Woman's right to choose and defended it as such,

In all those cases someones religious beliefs were offended and the answer to that is "too bad" because in a civilized society, just because you believe your religion was somehow blasphemed is no excuse for violence.

It's amazing how you phony liberals have an aneurism if some Pizzaria in a nowhere town says they won't cater pizza to a hypothetical gay wedding and want to rain fire and brimstone on them or some stupid republican gives their erroneous definition of rape,

Yet you continually apologize and excuse the most mysogynistic, homophobic, least tolerant of free speech religion out there.

 

[brycejones]

ranting

Once again with the pathetic labeling because I don't agree with your victim hood.

At least you are consistent.

Its really funny though that your idea of discussion is running straight to the most extreme position and then using that paint everyone else who doesn't agree with you as somehow supporting that extreme position. But then you do love being a scared victim.

 

[Brian Stirling]

So what,

Don't remember you phony liberal apologists criticizing artists for putting a crucifix in urine because it might incite christian violence,

You called it art and defended it as such,

You certainly wouldn't tell a woman she can't wear a short dress because it will bring out the rapists and sexual assaults will rise,

You call it freedom of speech and defend it as such,

You certainly wouldn't blame the doctor performing abortions for the clinic and all those inside if it got bombed because some christian terrorist was offended by it,

You call it a Woman's right to choose and defended it as such,

In all those cases someones religious beliefs were offended and the answer to that is "too bad" because in a civilized society, just because you believe your religion was somehow blasphemed is no excuse for violence.

It's amazing how you phony liberals have an aneurism if some Pizzaria in a nowhere town says they won't cater pizza to a hypothetical gay wedding and want to rain fire and brimstone on them or some stupid republican gives their erroneous definition of rape,

Yet you continually apologize and excuse the most mysogynistic, homophobic, least tolerant of free speech religion out there.

Fuck you!!! Don't you ever claim to know either my political inclination (hint, I'm neither liberal nor a Democrat) or my stance on the Crucifix in urine stunt by an "artist" looking to make a name for himself. The bastards that intentionally mock the religious beliefs of others to make a name for themselves, like that wacko preacher in Florida that burned a Quran, is acting in a similar way as the artist that created the "Piss Christ" You get worked up about the artist but appear to support the preacher that burned the Quran. Talk about a fucking hypocrite! But just to be clear, what is your opinion on the burning of the Quran?

I have no idea what your babbling about on the short skirt issue -- seems to me the major source of condemnation for such women comes from religious Christian types.

Back on point ... you bet your ass that every time some wacko Christian zealot burns a Quran that dozens of new terrorists are created and people will die because of it.

I'm neither a liberal or a Democrat, but I'm damn sure not one of you drooling brain dead types on the right!!!


Brian

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Back on point ... you bet your ass that every time some wacko Christian zealot burns a Quran that dozens of new terrorists are created and people will die because of it.

Brian

You continually mention this throughout the thread.

Can you please list the numerous times that some Christian zealot has publicly burned a Koran thus inciting new people to terrorism? I seem to remember only one single instance, hardly worth mentioning unless there are so many others.

Fern

 

[Brian Stirling]

You continually mention this throughout the thread.

Can you please list the numerous times that some Christian zealot has publicly burned a Koran thus inciting new people to terrorism? I seem to remember only one single instance, hardly worth mentioning unless there are so many others.

Fern

How many "artists" have performed the "Piss Christ" stunt -- the number of times isn't the issue its the fact that its done, or threatened that matters.

The whack job artists that piss off Christian types do it, in part, to piss off Christian types. Thankfully the average religious Christian doesn't feel motivated to kill the artist for there stunt. Sadly, religious Muslims are much more likely to react with violence when there religion is parodied and anyone that insults Islam has to know that there will be violent consequence of the insult.

Interestingly, the same artist types that do stunts like the Piss Christ also do stunts where the place the American flag on the floor right in front of a sign in log so that people coming in to checkout the art/installation have to walk on the flag. We grant people the right to do shit like this but that doesn't mean we have to like it and we have the right to protest the stunt. In Islam the the protest involves beheading!


Brian

 

[tracerbullet]

You are either a fucking idiot or a liar, take your pick.

I was kinda hoping to see a reply from the OP to this. No such luck yet. Dang.

 

[ivwshane]

I was kinda hoping to see a reply from the OP to this. No such luck yet. Dang.

I'm pretty sure he was temp banned

 

[Blue_Max]

How many "artists" have performed the "Piss Christ" stunt -- the number of times isn't the issue its the fact that its done, or threatened that matters.

The whack job artists that piss off Christian types do it, in part, to piss off Christian types. Thankfully the average religious Christian doesn't feel motivated to kill the artist for there stunt. Sadly, religious Muslims are much more likely to react with violence when there religion is parodied and anyone that insults Islam has to know that there will be violent consequence of the insult.

Interestingly, the same artist types that do stunts like the Piss Christ also do stunts where the place the American flag on the floor right in front of a sign in log so that people coming in to checkout the art/installation have to walk on the flag. We grant people the right to do shit like this but that doesn't mean we have to like it and we have the right to protest the stunt. In Islam the the protest involves beheading!

That's one of the things I keep trying to discuss...

If someone says something about big-mo and it infuriates a few muslims who then incite a riot, who's more "in the wrong"?

Your average college liberal says the villain is the one who made the comment, holding the rioters blameless for having been "triggered".

I say that while 1-10% of the blame may be on the initial words (severity depending on words said) 90-99% of the blame is on the actions of who heard the comment. You are responsible for your reaction to words, you are responsible for your actions, you are never blameless for doing something awful just because someone "triggered" you with mere words.

 

[Brian Stirling]

That's one of the things I keep trying to discuss...

If someone says something about big-mo and it infuriates a few muslims who then incite a riot, who's more "in the wrong"?

Your average college liberal says the villain is the one who made the comment, holding the rioters blameless for having been "triggered".

I say that while 1-10% of the blame may be on the initial words (severity depending on words said) 90-99% of the blame is on the actions of who heard the comment. You are responsible for your reaction to words, you are responsible for your actions, you are never blameless for doing something awful just because someone "triggered" you with mere words.

Ultimately the major source of blame for violence as the result of a religious insult is the weak minded fucks that get offended but when the outcome is predictable then the author of the insult DOES bare some blame. This is true when the insult is heaped upon Christians AND when it's heaped upon others, like Muslims.

Religious Christians went ape shit over the Piss Christ stunt and the artist received many death threats but, thankfully, very few Christians feel it necessary to actually kill someone for offending there religion. The truly tragic thing with Islam is that way too many of there members truly believe they need to kill anyone that insults Islam.

Again, I fully support the right to free speech but with that right comes some responsibility. When you knowingly do something that will, with high probability, result in the death of others, you can't hide behind the first amendment. One of the founders of Charlie Hebdo has actually stated that he thought they'd gone too far.


Brian

 

[Nebor]

Ridiculous. I wish they'd just let me off the chain to deal with these fucks already. Or the ones in Yemen. Or ISIS.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ridiculous. I wish they'd just let me off the chain to deal with these fucks already. Or the ones in Yemen. Or ISIS.

What's stopping you? As I understand it there are foreign volunteers from all over the world serving with the Kurds fighting Daesh. They include this Canadian woman (apparently ex IDF).

So, what ya waiting for tiger?

 

[ivwshane]

Ridiculous. I wish they'd just let me off the chain to deal with these fucks already. Or the ones in Yemen. Or ISIS.

How can we help? I think we should do everything we can to send people like you over there


Be sure to take all your guns though.

 

[brycejones]

Ridiculous. I wish they'd just let me off the chain to deal with these fucks already. Or the ones in Yemen. Or ISIS.

What a bad-ass you must be.

 

[Nebor]

What's stopping you?

The UCMJ. The last few soldiers that decided to take unilateral action ended up in prison back here in the US. I'm confident that we'll get our chance though. Once Hillary is in office we'll be more decisively engaged with these scumbags.

 

[Omar F1]

What's stopping you? As I understand it there are foreign volunteers from all over the world serving with the Kurds fighting Daesh. They include this Canadian woman (apparently ex IDF).

So, what ya waiting for tiger?

An ex-IDF wants to fight ISIS? She would be crazy to do that, as they're both a very good neighbors
Btw, the place in the picture is definitely Israel/Palestine, not Iraq or Syria.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The UCMJ. The last few soldiers that decided to take unilateral action ended up in prison back here in the US. I'm confident that we'll get our chance though. Once Hillary is in office we'll be more decisively engaged with these scumbags.

So it was the usual internet tuff guy speak. Wow! What a surprise!

Maybe you should just go back to commenting on the physical appearance of women you don't like.

 

[Nebor]

So it was the usual internet tuff guy speak. Wow! What a surprise!

Maybe you should just go back to commenting on the physical appearance of women you don't like.

Melissa McCarthy is an absolutely repugnant hog of a woman. She's not funny, she IS the joke. It pained me to see her bring down Michael Bateman in that awful Identity Theft movie.

 

[Blue_Max]

So it was the usual internet tuff guy speak. Wow! What a surprise!

Pot, kettle, black?

I don't see you trying to solve any issues either, only sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Learn to read you fucking idiot!

My reading abilities are fine. You used the word 'you', which (to any competent reader) strongly implies you were referring to me. You attempted to paint me with the same brush you were painting the OP. And your rage against religion in general does make you a bad person, as bad as the OP. I'd rather live with the peaceful practitioners of Islam than with a raging atheist like you.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I think the Amish are to blame for all the worlds problems. They with their buggywhips and their fancy fine handcrafted furniture!