Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Genx87
Makes you wonder what will happen if Iran plows through Obama's pretty speeches, the UN's stern talking too, and developes nukes and somehow delivers them to Israel.

To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

I believe the point, since Achmedinejad is quite insane himself, is that crazy ideas like that slowly start to become real possibilities.

National leaders do not have the luxury of dismissing these type of statements outright. If they do, and it turns out to be prophetic, the fault will lie in our own leadership for failing to prevent such craziness.

I'm not saying that we should do anything drastic in response, but we certainly shouldnt ignore or dismiss them either.

Ok, so we shouldn't ignore nor dismiss his words. Then what do we do? Send a warning to Iran that their country would no longer exist if their nuke is launched at Israel, or the USA (could they even go that distance?). I think they already know this. No need for Captain Obvious to make an appearance.

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

Okay, so how do we do this?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

The various terrorist factions they sponsor likely would.

Not without consent from Iran, who would suffer the same consequences either way.

Consequences? Terrorism when applied properly should have an untraceable origin.

As for whether it'll happen or not. Give every man/woman/child in this nation a loaded handgun and see what happens. Same result. It?s a matter of responsibility and I don?t trust 7th century mentality with it.

 

[GoingUp]

Except for the fact that Isreal already has nuke and would wipe Iran off the planet if they tried something.

That and the fact that they're highly effective at going into countries and suprise bombing stuff ala Iraq and Syria.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

The various terrorist factions they sponsor likely would.

Not without consent from Iran, who would suffer the same consequences either way.

Consequences? Terrorism when applied properly should have an untraceable origin.

As for whether it'll happen or not. Give every man/woman/child in this nation a loaded handgun and see what happens. Same result. It?s a matter of responsibility and I don?t trust 7th century mentality with it.

If our intelligence is good enough, their actions certainly would be not be "untraceable."

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
This has been discussed ad nauseum here, Ahmadinejad is a rhetorical clown who is very effective at pushing American right wingers' buttons by playing right into their fears.

The real power in Iran is the Supreme Council which is always very quiet, pulls the strings, and we can't be sure what their ambitions are. Needless to say they probably like their positions of power and are therefore much more pragmatic and wouldn't risk the future of Iran in some flippant nuclear foray.

I've read over and over that Ahmadinajad is not the supreme leader but that doesn't mean anything. Basically not in so many words some people are discounting Iran as beneign because they wish and Hope they aren't what Ahmadinjad makes them appear to be.

This is what, the 10th or 15th time he's said this. Don't you think the "supreme" leaders would put him on a leash and mouth gag if they didn't agree with him?

I can understand your caution in dealing with Iran but I simply cannot fathom the complete dismissal of any ambition to take his words seriously. Yes it's human nature to fear the unknown and yes that's not always good but when you have an unknown allowing hateful bigoted statements about a whole country coming out of it, how can you possibly rationalize that unknown as harmless and still be taken seriously?

ahmadinajad is a paper tiger, and from what i understand is very unpopular with the people that actually run iran. There is no real threat, because he has no power and the people that run iran don't like what he is saying and doing, but for the moment its lacking the power and motivation to really do anything about him, since what he is doing is probably good for oil prices (for iran)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

The various terrorist factions they sponsor likely would.

Not without consent from Iran, who would suffer the same consequences either way.

Consequences? Terrorism when applied properly should have an untraceable origin.

As for whether it'll happen or not. Give every man/woman/child in this nation a loaded handgun and see what happens. Same result. It?s a matter of responsibility and I don?t trust 7th century mentality with it.

That's the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. Even small acts of terrorism are eventually traced back to their host nations, and that's using conventional explosives.

If you honestly think a country could covertly deploy a nuclear weapon against another nation and not have it traced back to them you are living in fantasyland.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: brandonb
They are Axis of Evil. Lets get em boys!

Seriously. Who cares? Both the USA and Israel has n-bombs. If Syria, Iran, or Iraq want them, who's for us to say otherwise? If we go in and wipe them out like we did with Iraq, we'd be the Tyrants. I don't care what you think, but we are more dangerous than they will ever be. So is Israel, and they have n-bombs given to them from the United States. To me that's more scary than Ahmadinejad.

Only because you're blind. Nuking a neighbor so the radiation affects their own country? Don't think so. Israel could wipe out Iran and the palestinians with standard munitions if they wanted to. If Iran or the palestinians had the power to kill every person in Israel they'd do it in a heartbeat. That's the difference.

most middle eastern two-bit regimes have an interesting symbiotic relationship with israel; if israel stopped existing, then the only people left for their citizens to hate is their governemnts.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: brandonb
They are Axis of Evil. Lets get em boys!

Seriously. Who cares? Both the USA and Israel has n-bombs. If Syria, Iran, or Iraq want them, who's for us to say otherwise? If we go in and wipe them out like we did with Iraq, we'd be the Tyrants. I don't care what you think, but we are more dangerous than they will ever be. So is Israel, and they have n-bombs given to them from the United States. To me that's more scary than Ahmadinejad.

Hmm.. a nation who has many things to lose if they begin to nuke folks indiscriminately or someone who is unstable and has stated that they plan to wipe millions of people off the map?

Gee.. hard decision there...

when was the last time the leader of any islamic country actually said something like that, keeping in mind that ahmadinejad isn't the leader of anything other than his own mouth?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

The various terrorist factions they sponsor likely would.

Not without consent from Iran, who would suffer the same consequences either way.

Consequences? Terrorism when applied properly should have an untraceable origin.

As for whether it'll happen or not. Give every man/woman/child in this nation a loaded handgun and see what happens. Same result. It?s a matter of responsibility and I don?t trust 7th century mentality with it.

nuclear material is very traceable, and your analogy is stupid.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Kappo

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

Okay, so how do we do this?

That's the million-dollar question... and I don't know. But, acknowledging that something needs to be done is a decent first step; and doing so is actually much more than many here have done.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Genx87
Makes you wonder what will happen if Iran plows through Obama's pretty speeches, the UN's stern talking too, and developes nukes and somehow delivers them to Israel.

To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

I believe the point, since Achmedinejad is quite insane himself, is that crazy ideas like that slowly start to become real possibilities.

National leaders do not have the luxury of dismissing these type of statements outright. If they do, and it turns out to be prophetic, the fault will lie in our own leadership for failing to prevent such craziness.

I'm not saying that we should do anything drastic in response, but we certainly shouldnt ignore or dismiss them either.

Ok, so we shouldn't ignore nor dismiss his words. Then what do we do? Send a warning to Iran that their country would no longer exist if their nuke is launched at Israel, or the USA (could they even go that distance?). I think they already know this. No need for Captain Obvious to make an appearance.

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre
To think that Iran would preemptively launch a nuke at Israel, or any other country for that matter, is insane.

The various terrorist factions they sponsor likely would.

Not without consent from Iran, who would suffer the same consequences either way.

Consequences? Terrorism when applied properly should have an untraceable origin.

As for whether it'll happen or not. Give every man/woman/child in this nation a loaded handgun and see what happens. Same result. It?s a matter of responsibility and I don?t trust 7th century mentality with it.

nuclear material is very traceable, and your analogy is stupid.

Jaskalas is the perfect example of an American living in fear. Most of his arguments are just as valid as his last.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Kappo

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

Okay, so how do we do this?

That's the million-dollar question... and I don't know. But, acknowledging that something needs to be done is a decent first step; and doing so is actually much more than many here have done.

Yeah, well, when you have a plan, let us know. Short of us acting only as evil as we perceive their desires to be, I'm out of ideas.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Kappo

Sometimes having that out in the open, on the table, leaves no room for doubt and confusion.

We shouldnt let them have nukes, plain and simple. It should never come to the point where we need to tell them that, because they shouldnt ever have any nukes.

Okay, so how do we do this?

That's the million-dollar question... and I don't know. But, acknowledging that something needs to be done is a decent first step; and doing so is actually much more than many here have done.

If Iran is determined to get the bomb as people here seem to think, nothing can be done. I can't see any realistic military scenario against Iran that doesn't end in catastrophe for us.

The only viable option I see is a Clinton/North Korea style deal with the Iranians. (before anyone whines about that deal by the way you would be well served to read up on the history of it.) Obviously McCain won't go that route, but Obama might. I really view Obama as our only hope in preventing Iran from going nuclear.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

Nope, and don't care. Let Iran have a nuke. If Israel thinks they are in danger, let them do what they think is best for Israel.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

Nope, and don't care. Let Iran have a nuke. If Israel thinks they are in danger, let them do what they think is best for Israel.

And you believe that such things would happen in some sort of geographical vacuum? One that would have no ill effects on American safety or security?

I think you're wrong... I believe that a nuclear war in the ME would be absolutely catastrophic to the safety and security of United States itself, even if we're not directly involved in any way -- which itself is a pipedream, as one cannot shove the cat back into the bag. Our ties to Israel -- albeit unfortunate -- are globally known and recognized. There is absolutely no way, at all, that the U.S. could escape involvement in such an event.

So, that being said, I think we need a fucking plan...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Except for the fact that Isreal already has nuke and would wipe Iran off the planet if they tried something.

That and the fact that they're highly effective at going into countries and suprise bombing stuff ala Iraq and Syria.

MAD only works when the other side cares about not dying.

 

[ElFenix]

when is the next iranian presidential election?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

Nope, and don't care. Let Iran have a nuke. If Israel thinks they are in danger, let them do what they think is best for Israel.

And you believe that such things would happen in some sort of geographical vacuum? One that would have no ill effects on American safety or security?

I think you're wrong... I believe that a nuclear war in the ME would be absolutely catastrophic to the safety and security of United States itself, even if we're not directly involved in any way -- which itself is a pipedream, as one cannot shove the cat back into the bag. Our ties to Israel -- albeit unfortunate -- are globally known and recognized. There is absolutely no way, at all, that the U.S. could escape involvement in such an event.

So, that being said, I think we need a fucking plan...

Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

You tell me. I think they matter not to my country, so why should I bother? This is YOUR plan, not mine. Convince me. I'm not the one calling for action.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Except for the fact that Isreal already has nuke and would wipe Iran off the planet if they tried something.

That and the fact that they're highly effective at going into countries and suprise bombing stuff ala Iraq and Syria.

MAD only works when the other side cares about not dying.

Which Iran obviously does. So that makes both sides then eh? Sweet.

 

[Zebo]

Would solve two problems as Arab world would be wiped out at the same time. US tax payer get a break from supporting a client state.. and could even end worlds current scourge of Islam if Isreal goes after Mecca and Medina with cobalt tipped warheads making them uninhabitable for 2000 years. beloved patriot not possible thus Muslim not possible. I fail to see a problem with his comments. Seems since forever these parties in the ME have a death wish and need for perpetual war so how wouldn't it be in the worlds intrest to let them take one another out in one big bang once and for all? I would quote Machiavellian divide and conquer but we don't even have to divide they are forever divided and the rest of the world could sweep up the riches after they destroy one another.