Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear

[bamacre]

Here's PH's plan...?
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mjr_toker/destroy.JPG

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Except for the fact that Isreal already has nuke and would wipe Iran off the planet if they tried something.

That and the fact that they're highly effective at going into countries and suprise bombing stuff ala Iraq and Syria.

MAD only works when the other side cares about not dying.

Iranians, especially the military and ruling elite care very much about not dying; you shoudl really stop thicking that leave people are like klingons and hell-bent on destruction.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

You tell me. I think they matter not to my country, so why should I bother? This is YOUR plan, not mine. Convince me. I'm not the one calling for action.

So now you're retreating and deflecting responsibility? It's either that, or you truly believe that we have the option of completely ignoring their actions without any negative consequences to ourselves... is that it?

please note, not once have I called for action of any violent sort... not fucking once. If you wish to continue having a rational discussion, please leave your bullshit cartoons at home.

I'm simply building on your acknowledgment that something needs to be done to prevent negative effects on the United States... stay with me on that, and quit going out of bounds.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

the fear is that if a counter-revolution ever does happen in iran, the hard-liners in the military will light off the nukes at whoever they feel like rather than not using them and a secular government coming to power.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

Nope, and don't care. Let Iran have a nuke. If Israel thinks they are in danger, let them do what they think is best for Israel.

:thumbsup: I was watching FOX news just now. McCain was on the screen talking about: "Obama wants to talk to Ahmadinejad without any conditions, or any expectations, and that is ignoring our foreign policy. Obama is a noob." (That was McCain talking with AIPAC)...

Then it got me thinking. WTF is wrong with McCain and AIPAC? We'll only talk to Iran with conditions. We can't just "talk to them" period? Then I realized the old fart is absolutely retarded, just like Bush. The only option these clowns support is bombing Iran. Yet Iran are the crazy ones in the Axis of Evil! (oh noes)

I think we need to look in the Mirror. The first thing we should be doing is opening up our foreign policy to include discussions with Iran, Syria, and including them rather than staying with our one sided support of Israel, and ignoring everybody else in the ME. Then maybe we'll see some progress.

 

[Socio]

If him calling the United States a satanic power is not calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
And you have a plan that prevents them from obtaining the bomb?

do you?

Nope, and don't care. Let Iran have a nuke. If Israel thinks they are in danger, let them do what they think is best for Israel.

:thumbsup: I was watching FOX news just now. McCain was on the screen talking about: "Obama wants to talk to Ahmadinejad without any conditions, or any expectations, and that is ignoring our foreign policy. Obama is a noob." (That was McCain talking with AIPAC)...

Then it got me thinking. WTF is wrong with McCain and AIPAC? We'll only talk to Iran with conditions. We can't just "talk to them" period? Then I realized the old fart is absolutely retarded, just like Bush. The only option these clowns support is bombing Iran. Yet Iran are the crazy ones in the Axis of Evil! (oh noes)

I think we need to look in the Mirror.

McCain is right, we have pushed for and our allies have pushed for sanctions and made demands from Iran before negotiating with them and our allies have held their end of the bargain. If Obama talks to Ahmadinejad without any conditions, or any expectations he would be not only turning his back on and snubbing all of our allies, when relations are already strained as it is. Not only that, the fool would be setting precedence whereby no sanction, or condition would have any merit for anyone by us, our allies, or those who have them leveled against them.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

You tell me. I think they matter not to my country, so why should I bother? This is YOUR plan, not mine. Convince me. I'm not the one calling for action.

So now you're retreating and deflecting responsibility? It's either that, or you truly believe that we have the option of completely ignoring their actions without any negative consequences to ourselves... is that it?

please note, not once have I called for action of any violent sort... not fucking once. If you wish to continue having a rational discussion, please leave your bullshit cartoons at home.

I'm simply building on your acknowledgment that something needs to be done to prevent negative effects on the United States... stay with me on that, and quit going out of bounds.

Look, you can keep saying that something needs to be done, all you want. I say tell us what something is, or just STFU.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

You tell me. I think they matter not to my country, so why should I bother? This is YOUR plan, not mine. Convince me. I'm not the one calling for action.

So now you're retreating and deflecting responsibility? It's either that, or you truly believe that we have the option of completely ignoring their actions without any negative consequences to ourselves... is that it?

please note, not once have I called for action of any violent sort... not fucking once. If you wish to continue having a rational discussion, please leave your bullshit cartoons at home.

I'm simply building on your acknowledgment that something needs to be done to prevent negative effects on the United States... stay with me on that, and quit going out of bounds.

Look, you can keep saying that something needs to be done, all you want. I say tell us what something is, or just STFU.

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

 

[bamacre]

What the neo-cons and palehorse would like is to first get the Americans to believe that something has to be done about Iran. They don't need to say what something is. Just that something MUST be done, and there's no way around it. Once they get that belief embedded into the American people, Iran can finally be seen as the great threat to the American people. Then the great debate begins on exactly what something will be. Hmm, sanctions? Yes, sanctions is a good start. And inspections, do NOT forget the inspections!! We know where this ends.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Nebor

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

Can we get rid of the one in Israel first? They seem like the bigger destabilizing force in the region.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
Ok, well, come up with a plan, and we'll match it up with the odds of Iran using a nuke preemptively.

Just out of curiosity, what are those odds, and how/where did you arrive at them?

You tell me. I think they matter not to my country, so why should I bother? This is YOUR plan, not mine. Convince me. I'm not the one calling for action.

So now you're retreating and deflecting responsibility? It's either that, or you truly believe that we have the option of completely ignoring their actions without any negative consequences to ourselves... is that it?

please note, not once have I called for action of any violent sort... not fucking once. If you wish to continue having a rational discussion, please leave your bullshit cartoons at home.

I'm simply building on your acknowledgment that something needs to be done to prevent negative effects on the United States... stay with me on that, and quit going out of bounds.

Look, you can keep saying that something needs to be done, all you want. I say tell us what something is, or just STFU.

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

It's also optimal if I win the lottery and retire immediately. It's also as likely. Bush angered the Iranians to the point that they tossed out their moderates and replaced them with the current leadership. It's going to take decades before any serious pro-western leaders come back into power.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: bamacre
What the neo-cons and palehorse would like is to first get the Americans to believe that something has to be done about Iran. They don't need to say what something is. Just that something MUST be done, and there's no way around it. Once they get that belief embedded into the American people, Iran can finally be seen as the great threat to the American people. Then the great debate begins on exactly what something will be. Hmm, sanctions? Yes, sanctions is a good start. And inspections, do NOT forget the inspections!! We know where this ends.

You forgot lots and lots of defense contracts!!!!

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Nebor

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

Can we get rid of the one in Israel first? They seem like the bigger destabilizing force in the region.

What is wrong with you huh? Are you anti-Semitic or something? Do you have posters of the Führer on top of your bed? Your posts and arguments clearly manifest your anti-Semitic attitudes towards the chosen people of G-d.

I know it makes sense to ask about why on earth Israel has some 200 Nuclear warheads on the ready....but we can't ask those questions right now....don't you see that some Fuckdeinejad wants to blow up the Jews, just think of all the babies in Israel....they are all defenceless.....some people want to make it sound like Israel has one of the top 5 military forces in the world w.r.t size (funded generously from the pockets of people such as yourself thank you)....but that is all bull crap!
In Israel there is nothing but a bunch of weak unarmed Rabbis weeping in front of a wall....and they are surrounded by these Arab savages and barbarians who are full of hate. and lust for blood, and they can do nothing about them but pray that G-d saves them.

People these days sheesh, at least feel for those people man!

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Socio
McCain is right, we have pushed for and our allies have pushed for sanctions and made demands from Iran before negotiating with them and our allies have held their end of the bargain. If Obama talks to Ahmadinejad without any conditions, or any expectations he would be not only turning his back on and snubbing all of our allies, when relations are already strained as it is. Not only that, the fool would be setting precedence whereby no sanction, or condition would have any merit for anyone by us, our allies, or those who have them leveled against them.

That is what created this war on terror, and the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Theres other people on this world that doesn't think Iran should be the worlds punching bag. Why are we placing sanctions or condition on other countries? Because they do things we don't want them to do. Like build a n-bomb? Every country has the right to build a n-bomb if it desires. To disallow it, either by sanction, condition, or bombs should be a declaration of war. So Ahmadinejad can't make his threats? We've made ours.

Sanctions killed more Iraqi's than Saddam Hussein did. But with our Bombs, we've killed many many more. Way to go Team USA and allies.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Nebor

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

Can we get rid of the one in Israel first? They seem like the bigger destabilizing force in the region.

You are talking either genocide (if the Arabs get their way) or what the Arabs fear (a new Palestinian exodus due to Isreal taking off the gloves).

A dual state in the area will only happen if moderates apply pressure on all sides.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: Nebor

I think it's implied that a bloodless coup is optimal, throwing out the theocracy in favor of a pro-United States democracy.

Can we get rid of the one in Israel first? They seem like the bigger destabilizing force in the region.

You are talking either genocide (if the Arabs get their way) or what the Arabs fear (a new Palestinian exodus due to Isreal taking off the gloves).

A dual state in the area will only happen if moderates apply pressure on all sides.

I'd prefer a single, secular democratic state that gives the exiled Palestinians the right to return to their homeland and the jews the right to.. well.. stop being dicks to everyone else.


I also like the idea of the holographic temple floating above the dome of the rock, but thats just cuz the renderings look so damn cool

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/...of_rock_jews_islam.jpg

 

[Aimster]

Iran is not going to attack Israel

Thinking that is stupid.

If Iran wanted Israel destroyed it would start arming terrorist groups with chemical weapons.

The guy just speaks to get people hyped up... Persians do not care about Arabs. It's all B.S.
If Israel attacked the Arab world Iran would sit back and watch acting like they cared. In reality they don't care.

They just want to annoy the U.S

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre
What the neo-cons and palehorse would like is to first get the Americans to believe that something has to be done about Iran.

I sincerely hope that you're not dumb enough to lump me in with the neocons. Let's get something straight, I have never advocated a violent response to Iran's actions, and I sincerely hope and pray, every day, that it never comes to that -- please get that through your thick fucking skull.

They don't need to say what something is. Just that something MUST be done, and there's no way around it. Once they get that belief embedded into the American people, Iran can finally be seen as the great threat to the American people. Then the great debate begins on exactly what something will be. Hmm, sanctions?

As opposed to...? or....? and...?

Yes, sanctions is a good start. And inspections, do NOT forget the inspections!! We know where this ends.

I'm guessing it ends with people like you failing, once again, to provide us with any viable alternatives... am I wrong?

Answer this question: Do you advocate doing nothing at all to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

 

[Aimster]

Iran has a right to enrich uranium. You want Iran to give up their right because ?

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran is not going to attack Israel

Thinking that is stupid.

If Iran wanted Israel destroyed it would start arming terrorist groups with chemical weapons.

The guy just speaks to get people hyped up... Persians do not care about Arabs. It's all B.S.
If Israel attacked the Arab world Iran would sit back and watch acting like they cared. In reality they don't care.

They just want to annoy the U.S

If someone threatened to rape and kill your mother, I suppose those kinds of threats would be different?

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: bamacre
What the neo-cons and palehorse would like is to first get the Americans to believe that something has to be done about Iran.

I sincerely hope that you're not dumb enough to lump me in with the neocons. Let's get something straight, I have never advocated a violent response to Iran's actions, and I sincerely hope and pray, every day, that it never comes to that -- please get that through your thick fucking skull.

They don't need to say what something is. Just that something MUST be done, and there's no way around it. Once they get that belief embedded into the American people, Iran can finally be seen as the great threat to the American people. Then the great debate begins on exactly what something will be. Hmm, sanctions?

As opposed to...? or....? and...?

Yes, sanctions is a good start. And inspections, do NOT forget the inspections!! We know where this ends.

I'm guessing it ends with people like you failing, once again, to provide us with any viable alternatives... am I wrong?

Answer this question: Do you advocate doing nothing at all to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

I can't imagine what COULD be done to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, if they wanted them, short of a violent response. I mean you could do something violent like bomb any facilities they have which could be used to create nuclear weapons materials or you could provide them with some alternative to nuclear weapons.. but if it's nukes they want, then what do you give them, besides nukes, that they will accept in exchange? A blowjob? I think I'd take a blowjob over a nuclear bomb... Somebody get Lewinsky on the next flight to Tehran....

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran is not going to attack Israel

Thinking that is stupid.

If Iran wanted Israel destroyed it would start arming terrorist groups with chemical weapons.

The guy just speaks to get people hyped up... Persians do not care about Arabs. It's all B.S.
If Israel attacked the Arab world Iran would sit back and watch acting like they cared. In reality they don't care.

They just want to annoy the U.S

If someone threatened to rape and kill your mother, I suppose those kinds of threats would be different?

you suck at this debate thing

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: Kappo

If someone threatened to rape and kill your mother, I suppose those kinds of threats would be different?

Forgive the anology but this is like saying if some unarmed, 98lb weakling threatened to attack my jujitsu expert, CCW carrying mother... She is MORE than capable of defending herself so why give the threat any credibility at all?

edit: Even in the highly unlikely event that such an attack was carried out AND managed to be successful.. the idiot weakling has thrown away the element of surprise and will surely feel the wrath of retaliation.

It is utterly absurd to think that Iran would attack Israel with nuclear weapons.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Aimster
... Persians do not care about Arabs. It's all B.S.
If Israel attacked the Arab world Iran would sit back and watch acting like they cared. In reality they don't care.

They just want to annoy the U.S

But they still arm and finance terrorist groups in the middle east against their own countries (i.e Hizbollah, Shiites in Iraq and Kuwait...etc) so they can destroy Arabic countries from within!

But you know what? I think a thousand years is long enough, I think Arabs should go back and invade Persia once more. This whole double factor Persian / Shiite inferiority complex is doing too much damage as is to the peace and the tranquillity of the whole world. Yes, another military campaign ought to do the trick!

Also this time, we are not stopping there, we are also going to gather all the Shiites and Alawi trouble makers in the Arab world and banish them to some shithole in Iran so they stay there amongst the Shiities who claim they care for them more than their own countrymen, just to put that theory to the test!

I might be joking about the campaign thing, but it's sure one big wet dream for me nowadays to just ship all the Shiites in my home country to Iran...they never in their history contributed to the progress of my country....all they do is nag and worship the Khomeini...but maybe one day once Hizbollah is defeated, we'll work on a program of such nature if the Shiites don't get their act together.

I am so sorry Aimster you are from country full with Shiites, it must have been terrible.