AGP x1950xt in the works

[evolucion8]

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[evolucion8]

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[Munky]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: evolucion8
There's no such Radeon 9800PRO 128-bit, they're called Radeon 9800 SE which comes with 8 pipelines on a 128-bit bus, another flavor of it is the one with 256-bit bus only 4 pipelines.

9800 Pro specs

I stand corrected! Nevertheless, the jump from 9800 Pro to X1950 Pro is significant. I'm unsure going from an X850XT --> x1950 Pro or XT would be enough of an improvement to spend $225-$300+

I went from an x850 xt pe to a x1900xt, and I can definitely see a big improvement in performance, even though I only play at 1280x960 resolution. Especially when I tried COD2, it went from being barely playable with 2xAA to smooth at 4xAA.

 

[AgonxOC]

I can play COD2 at 1600 X 1200, with 6X AA, 16X AF, maxed settings, with most the in game settings on max and average about 80 FPS with the X850XT PE slightly OCed.... So if you saw some improvements, I should see some imprevements also... I am getting into some CAD so I might need a 512MB card. The only sucky part is that not all drivers from ATI work with Inventor 11 and I get jagged edges etc... SolidWorks 2005 and Alibre Design work just fine. I might have to try CAT 6.6 as Autodesk says it should works fine. Is there any news about these X1950XT having 512MB....


Alex

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC
I can play COD2 at 1600 X 1200, with 6X AA, 16X AF, maxed settings, with most the in game settings on max and average about 80 FPS with the X850XT PE slightly OCed.... So if you saw some improvements, I should see some imprevements also... I am getting into some CAD so I might need a 512MB card. The only sucky part is that not all drivers from ATI work with Inventor 11 and I get jagged edges etc... SolidWorks 2005 and Alibre Design work just fine. I might have to try CAT 6.6 as Autodesk says it should works fine. Is there any news about these X1950XT having 512MB....


Alex

And these are the settings you used in DX9 mode of COD2? On my x850xt I played at 1280x960, settings maxed, DX9 mode, and with 2xAA (I might have also used AAA, that would hurt the performance some), it would drop the framerate into the 20's in heavy firefights, especially when there was smoke and/or fog. Then I upgraded to the x1900xt, cranked up the AA to 4x, and it handled the game without a sweat.

 

[AgonxOC]

DX9... I did have dips into the 30s in some occations, but for the most part was around 60 to 100 FPS.... I might be my CPU, I donnot know...

Alex

 

[Makaveli]

I'm currently at work but I can add to this thread nicely. I just went from a X800XTPE to a X1950Pro Sapphire AGP. And it was a nice improvement and worth the money. I do play my games at 1680x1050 tho. I will post more info later 2nite when i'm at home.

 

[Makaveli]

I'm sorry, Agonx those Call of Duty 2 numbers i'm gonna have to call BS. Munky has a x1900xt and your settings wouldn't be playable on his card. Yet it is on your x850xtpe 256mb card. and its been proven that COD runs much better in HQ on a 512mb card.

But anyways back to the topic. On my x800xtpe and current rig, on a 21` Dell CRT, most games I played 1280x1024 high detail and 2xAA and 4xAF and most games were playable.

I then recently decided to buy a LCD, and got a Samsung 225BW in like dec. As soon as I started playing on this, native res 1680x1050 i had to drop setting to keep the same fps, and playing CS S without some kinda aa was painful. So I had enough of that and dropped $300 on the AGP Sapphire and it was a good decision. I'm also like the rest of u on AGP but 939 and my system still has alot of life left in it. I'm gonna sell my X800 card should get atleast $150 with a AC silencer.

As for the CPU bottlenecking I would don't bother on a AXP system cause even a x800 is in the same position as the processor.

P4 3.0Ghz should be minimum.. 3.4-3.8Ghz recommend

A64/Opteron 2.2Ghz+


My 3dmark05 score is currently 9943

videocard still stock...HSF indeed of replacement before i'm gonna bother overclocking.


My Specs

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
I'm sorry, Agonx those Call of Duty 2 numbers i'm gonna have to call BS. Munky has a x1900xt and your settings wouldn't be playable on his card. Yet it is on your x850xtpe 256mb card. and its been proven that COD runs much better in HQ on a 512mb card.

Why in the world would I lie about performance in a freaking game? My CPU is probably helping me like it does in HL2... How about 130 FPS on HL2 with the same settings. Do you call that BS? Well that is what I get. Now in HL2E1 I play at a bit lower resolution, but with the same settings and I managed about 50-60 FPS average. CPUs do help alot in games and I have one of the fastest single core CPUs out there....

Alex

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: Makaveli
I'm sorry, Agonx those Call of Duty 2 numbers i'm gonna have to call BS. Munky has a x1900xt and your settings wouldn't be playable on his card. Yet it is on your x850xtpe 256mb card. and its been proven that COD runs much better in HQ on a 512mb card.

Why in the world would I lie about performance in a freaking game? My CPU is probably helping me like it does in HL2... How about 130 FPS on HL2 with the same settings. Do you call that BS? Well that is what I get. Now in HL2E1 I play at a bit lower resolution, but with the same settings and I managed about 50-60 FPS average. CPUs do help alot in games and I have one of the fastest single core CPUs out there....

Alex

I wouldn't say that your lying, but your figures do seem to be a little bit high, I just finish COD2 and I can barely get close to those frame rates with my X1950Pro at 1280x960.
A CPU won't make up for that difference and a P-M at 2.8ghz isn't much faster than a Single core A64 at that speed.

Do you have a fraps screenshots with those sort of frame rates?

But then I think to myself...wait what Graphics engine does COD2 use....if it is a hyped up Q3 engine, then maybe yes you could be seeing those sort of frame rates...after all, you machine was ridiculously faster than mine in 3Dmark01, 8000+ points is just a crazy difference, maybe on an older Graphics engine a P-M really is that much faster...

 

[evolucion8]

Interestingly enough I played Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls at 1024x768 (1280x1024 would run at 60hz which is eyestraining) with everything on the highest settings including distance view, only i disabled shadows since they looked weird and 4x anti aliasing and 16x af and the lowest fps was around the 30's in the forest with many foes messing around and the highest about 110fps in the interior, average about 40's to 60's, not bad for a 2 years old card and a Pentium 4, even though is Northwood 3.4, a rare breed. Even though what I wrote has nothing to do with what AgonxOC wrote, but is to say that everything is a possibility, and I don't think that in resolutions above 1280x1024 there's much influence in a game by the CPU except in very dependent CPU games like Half Life 2. And COD2 is a very GPU dependant game and the X1950PRO is about 30% average faster than my current card, if a X1950XT comes in AGP, the jump could be as high as 45% to 60% average, nice jump but a bit too late, better spend on a PCI-E mobo and a R600 xD, buying more than 2 generations of cards of the same API is worthless. Sorry for my meaningless speech, I just got out of my job and I'm sleepy as h*ll, sorry hehe.

 

[Makaveli]

A Pentium M 760 might have been fast in its day, but at 1600x1200 your cpu isn't making any difference its all videocard.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page13.asp

look at the numbers in this review at 1600x1200 and a X1950pro is clearly faster than a x850xtpe.

So your numbers are still WTF!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Interestingly enough I played Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls at 1024x768 (1280x1024 would run at 60hz which is eyestraining) with everything on the highest settings including distance view, only i disabled shadows since they looked weird and 4x anti aliasing and 16x af and the lowest fps was around the 30's in the forest with many foes messing around and the highest about 110fps in the interior, average about 40's to 60's, not bad for a 2 years old card and a Pentium 4, even though is Northwood 3.4, a rare breed. Even though what I wrote has nothing to do with what AgonxOC wrote, but is to say that everything is a possibility, and I don't think that in resolutions above 1280x1024 there's much influence in a game by the CPU except in very dependent CPU games like Half Life 2. And COD2 is a very GPU dependant game and the X1950PRO is about 30% average faster than my current card, if a X1950XT comes in AGP, the jump could be as high as 45% to 60% average, nice jump but a bit too late, better spend on a PCI-E mobo and a R600 xD, buying more than 2 generations of cards of the same API is worthless. Sorry for my meaningless speech, I just got out of my job and I'm sleepy as h*ll, sorry hehe.

Ah yes, but you don't have HDR on if your talking about the card in your sig. I had a x850xt and it ran Oblivion like a dream at that resolution with all the options that could be turned on, on. (I did a grass tweak though. I thinned out the grass 50% in favor of increasing the distance beyond the max. It gets rid of that nasty pop in) I still don't play with HDR on, plus it does have a pretty serious performance hit.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
A Pentium M 760 might have been fast in its day, but at 1600x1200 your cpu isn't making any difference its all videocard.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page13.asp

look at the numbers in this review at 1600x1200 and a X1950pro is clearly faster than a x850xtpe.

So your numbers are still WTF!

Do I have to go as FAR as to Reinstall a freaking game to prove you wrong. Unless fraps is wrong I dont know what to tell you.... My machine has always been much faster compared to those tested in the Internet.. I cannot explain why. Also my 760 is not stock. It takes a FX-57 @ 3.3+ GHz to come close to its performance.


Alex

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Interestingly enough I played Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls at 1024x768 (1280x1024 would run at 60hz which is eyestraining) with everything on the highest settings including distance view, only i disabled shadows since they looked weird and 4x anti aliasing and 16x af and the lowest fps was around the 30's in the forest with many foes messing around and the highest about 110fps in the interior, average about 40's to 60's, not bad for a 2 years old card and a Pentium 4, even though is Northwood 3.4, a rare breed. Even though what I wrote has nothing to do with what AgonxOC wrote, but is to say that everything is a possibility, and I don't think that in resolutions above 1280x1024 there's much influence in a game by the CPU except in very dependent CPU games like Half Life 2. And COD2 is a very GPU dependant game and the X1950PRO is about 30% average faster than my current card, if a X1950XT comes in AGP, the jump could be as high as 45% to 60% average, nice jump but a bit too late, better spend on a PCI-E mobo and a R600 xD, buying more than 2 generations of cards of the same API is worthless. Sorry for my meaningless speech, I just got out of my job and I'm sleepy as h*ll, sorry hehe.

Ah yes, but you don't have HDR on if your talking about the card in your sig. I had a x850xt and it ran Oblivion like a dream at that resolution with all the options that could be turned on, on. (I did a grass tweak though. I thinned out the grass 50% in favor of increasing the distance beyond the max. It gets rid of that nasty pop in) I still don't play with HDR on, plus it does have a pretty serious performance hit.

Yeah, I was talking about the X800XT PE, I was using the same grass mode as yours, also the make it pretty mod and the fake HDR mode, but this last one decreased the frame rate in the worst case scenarios in the low 20's and the max in the 50's, so that's why I disabled it most of the time, quite a big impact in performance since is computing HDR in the Pixel Shaders unoptimized and sometimes banding can be seen, not like in Half Life 2 which is optimized and looks much better.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: Makaveli
A Pentium M 760 might have been fast in its day, but at 1600x1200 your cpu isn't making any difference its all videocard.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page13.asp

look at the numbers in this review at 1600x1200 and a X1950pro is clearly faster than a x850xtpe.

So your numbers are still WTF!

Do I have to go as FAR as to Reinstall a freaking game to prove you wrong. Unless fraps is wrong I dont know what to tell you.... My machine has always been much faster compared to those tested in the Internet.. I cannot explain why. Also my 760 is not stock. It takes a FX-57 @ 3.3+ GHz to come close to its performance.


Alex

Much better on the review posted above?? Are you sure? Did you even went to that page to try? http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...1950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page4.asp

Look at the specs of that PC used for reviewing and you will see an Athlon X2 4200+ which smokes any single core CPU. Your CPU is great but above 1280x1024 there isn't much influence in GPU dependant games like Oblivion or Battlefield 2, running COD2 in DX9 mode at 1600x1200 6x FSAA and 16x AF is completely ridiculous, considering the bandwidth limitations of that CPU which it's FSB is rated at 533MHz and it's weak FPU performance.

 

[Makaveli]

thanks evolucion8 alteast some one is seeing the clear picture. I'm not trying to proof anything its obvious your numbers are flawed.

At the settings u quoted it wouldn't matter if u were running a PEntium M, P4, or A64 at 6GHZ, U are GPU bottlenecked!

As for the a A64 needing 500mhz clockspeed advantage to equal a Pentium M clock for Clock also is more BS, that is not a conroe.

Last time I checked a Penitum M was equal to a A64 in IPC or slighty faster depending on cache in games only. Everything else it gets smoked.

Not trying to dis your comp bro, your statements without proof so far isn't carrying much weight. Aslong as i've been doing this I knew right away something was up with your specs and the quoted numbers.

If u have the time and willing to do it, I would love to see more proof.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

I made the mistake of upgrading my dead 9800pro to a x1650pro. When the price of these new cards drop to $250 I'll grab one. When I make the move to pci-e I'll keep this system together and give it to my son. It will last him for a while considering hes using a p3 800 with a voodoo 3000 right now.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: Makaveli
A Pentium M 760 might have been fast in its day, but at 1600x1200 your cpu isn't making any difference its all videocard.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page13.asp

look at the numbers in this review at 1600x1200 and a X1950pro is clearly faster than a x850xtpe.

So your numbers are still WTF!

Do I have to go as FAR as to Reinstall a freaking game to prove you wrong. Unless fraps is wrong I dont know what to tell you.... My machine has always been much faster compared to those tested in the Internet.. I cannot explain why. Also my 760 is not stock. It takes a FX-57 @ 3.3+ GHz to come close to its performance.


Alex

Much better on the review posted above?? Are you sure? Did you even went to that page to try? http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...1950_pro_agp_ultimate_review/page4.asp

Look at the specs of that PC used for reviewing and you will see an Athlon X2 4200+ which smokes any single core CPU. Your CPU is great but above 1280x1024 there isn't much influence in GPU dependant games like Oblivion or Battlefield 2, running COD2 in DX9 mode at 1600x1200 6x FSAA and 16x AF is completely ridiculous, considering the bandwidth limitations of that CPU which it's FSB is rated at 533MHz and it's weak FPU performance.

PSSSST my CPU FSB is 233 MHz a full 100 MHz over stock 133 MHz... That would yield a Quad Pumped FSB of 932 MHz... Ram is also running at 233 MHz or 466MHz DDR. Unless the game is multi threaded, then my CPU is going to be faster. Even in dual core might not be as fast as we all know dual core does not mean 2X performance increase.

MAKAVELI go read about the Pentium M and see it for yourself and the Conroe was derived from the M. Go to XtremeSystems.org and ask around..... like I said I will reinstall the freaking game to show you... sight...



Alex

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
thanks evolucion8 alteast some one is seeing the clear picture. I'm not trying to proof anything its obvious your numbers are flawed.

At the settings u quoted it wouldn't matter if u were running a PEntium M, P4, or A64 at 6GHZ, U are GPU bottlenecked!

As for the a A64 needing 500mhz clockspeed advantage to equal a Pentium M clock for Clock also is more BS, that is not a conroe.

Last time I checked a Penitum M was equal to a A64 in IPC or slighty faster depending on cache in games only. Everything else it gets smoked.

Not trying to dis your comp bro, your statements without proof so far isn't carrying much weight. Aslong as i've been doing this I knew right away something was up with your specs and the quoted numbers.

If u have the time and willing to do it, I would love to see more proof.

My numbers in 3DMark01 are much faster then that of a FX-57 with the same RAM and Video Card, same with CPU score in AquaMark.


Alex

 

[Makaveli]

congrats u get a high 3dmark 2001 score!

You want to post some numbers of a few different appz and games then the average.

1 benchmark means nothing. 3dcrap is nothing to be proud of. how about some real game benchmarks?

And I still wanna see the proof from my other post.

O and your link for your RIG is not working!

 

[AgonxOC]

So I just did one of those benchmarks listed for HL2LC @ 1280 x 1024 4X AA and 16X AF with HDR on and I got an average of 52.54 FPS and its about the same in game play.How do I upload pics to here? I will post COD2 later...

 

[VooDooAddict]

Glad to hear AGP still isn't dead.

For all those with s754 AMD rigs and 1280x1024 LCDs the 1950Pros and now this new 1950XT are great news if you like all eye candy on and who appreciate 4x-8x AA and 16x AF.

For people not interested in AA and still on a 1280x1024 LCD I still think the X1650XT AGP is the best bang for the $$ right now. Good quantity of shaders for the newer titles and a fair number of Texture units for older games to stay smooth at 1280x1024. No-AA and good ol' Tri-linear Filtering.

 

[AgonxOC]

Should work now...

My Test

Lost Coast Direct 3D from Firing Squad.... Check it out...

Compare that... COD2 Comming latter..


Alex

 

[Steve]

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