AGP x1950xt in the works

[Munky]

Haven't seen this posted yet, so here goes:
GeCube to release X1950 XT AGP

About a year late, I'd say, but looks like AGP is still not dead.

 

[Stumps]

hmmm, I think I'll stick with my X1950Pro for the time being....I wonder what the PSU specs will need to be for that...

 

[CrystalBay]

Thats not to bad 25% more guts...

 

[hellokeith]

Being on a near topped out high-end socket 478 system, for me to upgrade to PCI-e and have equivalent performance, I calculated I'd have to spend $1100 for quality mobo, cpu, ram, and psu. So it wasn't too much of a hassle to spend $230 on the HIS X1950 Pro 256MB AGP. I paid $250 for my 9800 Pro way back in the day, and look how long it lasted.

But $300+ for a x1950xt in agp flavor? That's a ton lot of money to put into an AGP card. And it doesn't even have a good cooler on it. The only way this would make sense is if you have a super-overclocked Athlon system, because anything less is going to have a hard time driving this card.

 

[GEOrifle]

Do you think P3.4GHZ PRESCOT won't handle it with CORSAIR 2GB RAM ?

 

[gamepad]

But does it have sm 2.0???

 

[GEOrifle]

Not just SM3, also with 48 PIXEL pipelines, WOW.

"Powered by ATI RADEON® RV580+ (90nm) GPU
A 90-nanometer process GPU, the debut of the unique processing architecture
256MB of 256-bit (512-bit Internal Ring Bus) GDDR3 memory
48 parallel pixel pipelines
Dual DVI (Double Dual Link) + HDTV + HDCP + D-sub support.
Exclusive X-Turbo Fan (TEC inside)
*TEC (Thermal electric Cooler) inside : TEC cools the X1950XT ASIC by electric controlling to its best operating condition besides the big fan coolers.
*With X-Turbo fan cooler: Easily to have 648MHz default core clock for 1950XT AGP board and Overdrive to 675MHz ASIC core maximum overclock margin.
*Satisfied thermal control device : 1950XTX level in core clock (648MHz X1950XTX original core clock) at only about 70°C or more while operating 3D in room temperature environment for reliability.
*OverDrive by ATI control panel
*Fan Control ( 2D 20Db-, 3D 28dB-) for silent cooling.
*Temperature monitoring : Utility to monitor ASIC temperature.
ATI?s Avivo? technology connects to home entertainment devices and creates true-to-life image reproduction, and the smoothest video playback ever offered by ATI. Get high image fidelity with CRT and LCD displays, TVs, rear projection and plasma TVs, and projectors.
New ultra-threaded core 3D architecture with ATI?s revolutionary Avivo video and display technology to drive performance to new heights with incredible speed and intense 3D graphics.
Shader Model 3.0 features new High Dynamic Range visual effects, and enhances realism with adaptive anti-aliasing and lightening fast performance.
CATALYST?: Full Windows Vista LDDM support including Aero Glass visuals "


http://www.gecube.com/products-detail.p...at_pid=9&prod_cat_id=166&prod_id=65116

The point is: with coming new card all prices gona drope down, especially ATI's new
release R600 in a mont.
Other word: now ATI and NVIDIA gona KILL each other for new costumers with low
prices like it was with INTEL and AMD.
Just sit tight, enjoy the story and wait for SWEEEEET DEALS on CPU's and GPU's.

HERE YOU GO......

 

[happy medium]

No one believed me, when I posted this a month ago.

heres the thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1991996&enterthread=y

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Do you think P3.4GHZ PRESCOT won't handle it with CORSAIR 2GB RAM ?

I don't think this card is for pent 4 users. I would guess Amd 2.6 or higher?

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Do you think P3.4GHZ PRESCOT won't handle it with CORSAIR 2GB RAM ?

Should be ok. But I'd wait until the price is under $300, and hopefully other card assemblers (like HIS) get a better design for the cooler. And you'll need a very solid PSU for this card, PCIe certified 400+ watts from a respectable company. (I say PCIe certified because likely any AGP variant will still have the PCIe power connector.)

 

[Mloot]

Hmm, my brother-in-law's rig is a S-754 system with a 3400+ and an X800XL. This, or even an X1950Pro AGP would be a decent video upgrade for his system, as he is not keen on overhauling his system to PCI-E. Which card would you guys pick given his situation?

 

[GEOrifle]

No one got it in stock yet? What about the price?
Do you think it will be more than 8800GTS w/600mhz for $350 ?

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Do you think P3.4GHZ PRESCOT won't handle it with CORSAIR 2GB RAM ?

I don't think this card is for pent 4 users. I would guess Amd 2.6 or higher?

yep, a 3.4ghz P4 bottlenecks the X1950Pro to a certain extent...compared to an AMD64 anyway.

 

[sieistganzfett]

i never even heard of gecube until today, even though i just ordered my agp sapphire x1950pro 512MB a few days ago, i don't think i'll be that upset for $235 i spent on it, even though a 1950xt may be next out the door, but at a higher price than a mere 235 from zzf. anything over $250 in my view is not worth it in my view for a new video card on an agp mobo, i'd just keep saving till i hit enough dough for a complete new system.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: sieistganzfett
i never even heard of gecube until today, even though i just ordered my agp sapphire x1950pro 512MB a few days ago, i don't think i'll be that upset for $235 i spent on it, even though a 1950xt may be next out the door, but at a higher price than a mere 235 from zzf. anything over $250 in my view is not worth it in my view for a new video card on an agp mobo, i'd just keep saving till i hit enough dough for a complete new system.

I hope you have a decent PSU for that Sapphire...otherwise you'll be joining the long list of people that have had their Sapphire die on them....you need at least 450W with 30a on the 12v rail...according to the requirements on the back of my Sapphire's box.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Do you think P3.4GHZ PRESCOT won't handle it with CORSAIR 2GB RAM ?

Depends on what you mean by "handle it" ... if all it has to do is make a picture & run games faster then an older AGP card like a 6600GT/9800Pro, your power supply giving enough amps on the +12v rail has a lot more to do with the answer then your CPU & memory.

The problem is that unless you have a moniter that will let you game at high resolutions like 1600x1200 or higher, you will be choking the GPU & may not see the performance gain you would want to see for a $300 investment... at lower resolutions it makes more sense to either buy a less expensive card or to stop screwing around & upgrade to PCI-E. (which will cost +/- $300 too & will give you an upgrade path)

So in answer to your question, yes it will most likely "handle" the X1950XT AGP, the question is if its worth $300 + shipping to do it & IMO with your system the answer is no.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Mloot
Hmm, my brother-in-law's rig is a S-754 system with a 3400+ and an X800XL. This, or even an X1950Pro AGP would be a decent video upgrade for his system, as he is not keen on overhauling his system to PCI-E. Which card would you guys pick given his situation?

Its a decent upgrade if your brother-in-law doesn't mind that he'll be spending more on a new video card then the rest of his system is most likely worth.

Also he'll run into the same problem as the poster above with his P-4 based system ... he won't get the expected performance boost over his X800XL at low resolutions.

 

[GEOrifle]

If they made card and no system will support it(existing) who gona buy it?
Just few owners of AMD 64 rigs with AGP support?
Doesn't makes any sense.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
If they made card and no system will support it(existing) who gona buy it?
Just few owners of AMD 64 rigs with AGP support?
Doesn't makes any sense.

It will work if you have a decent power supply, its just not worth $300 for another round of AGP.

A year ago the "I want to stick with AGP" argument could be supported, at this point the way prices are going it doesn't make sense to spend anymore then about $150-$175 on AGP because once you hit the $200 price-point, you can move to PCI-E for the same money since the video cards cost so much less.

Its not that these high-end AGP cards are bad products, its that they are late coming to market & over-priced.

 

[happy medium]

Can someone build me a overclockable core2 duo system complete with ram,motherboard,and pci-e video card for 300.00$. Oh and backup my C: drive so I can reinstall windows again because I'm too lazy.:roll:

Oh i forgot I need a psu as well for that power hungry pci-e card :roll:


I'd much rather upgrade my video card. Hey mabe by the time I need to upgrade it will cost 300.00$

EDIT: I'd say this card is for pent 4's at 3.6- 3.8 or Amd Athlon 64's overclocked t 2.5+.
You should also be runnig games at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 with all the eyecandy as someone has stated. WITH A 450 WATT 30 AMP PSU.

 

[Steve]

Sweet, I was about to spring for a Pro. I may have a line on a free Pro through a friend (It's a VisionTek).

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Can someone build me a overclockable core2 duo system complete with ram,motherboard,and pci-e video card for 300.00$. Oh and backup my C: drive so I can reinstall windows again because I'm too lazy.:roll:

Oh i forgot I need a psu as well for that power hungry pci-e card :roll:


I'd much rather upgrade my video card. Hey mabe by the time I need to upgrade it will cost 300.00$

EDIT: I'd say this card is for pent 4's at 3.6- 3.8 or Amd Athlon 64's overclocked t 2.5+.
You should also be runnig games at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 with all the eyecandy as someone has stated. WITH A 450 WATT 30 AMP PSU.

If all of that applies to your system, then you should go buy the $300 X1950 AGP ... hopefully my sarcasm-meter just needs new batteries!

Remember we live in a world where they sell 512mb Nvidia FX5200's & lower your expectations a bit!

Edit: I just re-read your post & I'm not sure what you were trying to say!

 

[GEOrifle]

He wanted to say about the cost of new PCI E system rig ~~$1200 and better for him spend just $300 on AGP card upgrade and save some until he will decide to move to new
one, same me and others too.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: happy medium
Can someone build me a overclockable core2 duo system complete with ram,motherboard,and pci-e video card for 300.00$. Oh and backup my C: drive so I can reinstall windows again because I'm too lazy.:roll:

Oh i forgot I need a psu as well for that power hungry pci-e card :roll:


I'd much rather upgrade my video card. Hey mabe by the time I need to upgrade it will cost 300.00$

EDIT: I'd say this card is for pent 4's at 3.6- 3.8 or Amd Athlon 64's overclocked t 2.5+.
You should also be runnig games at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 with all the eyecandy as someone has stated. WITH A 450 WATT 30 AMP PSU.

If all of that applies to your system, then you should go buy the $300 X1950 AGP ... hopefully my sarcasm-meter just needs new batteries!

Remember we live in a world where they sell 512mb Nvidia FX5200's & lower your expectations a bit!

Edit: I just re-read your post & I'm not sure what you were trying to say!

What he's saying is the same thing I'm saying.

Most of us with AGP rigs fall into one of three catagories:

1. We have nice AGP rigs so we are not going to "upgrade" to a $50 dollar mobo and $75 processor. We'll spend $1000+ and build a decent new rig

1. We don't have a lot of time so doing a rebuild and reinstall of windows and programs doesn't make much sense when the only thing the rig can't handle is games

1. We're short on money so a card upgrade makes better financial sense than a new build

Quite frankly if you have an AGP rig with at least 1Gig of ram and the following:

• An AXP at 2.0GHZ or higher

• A P4 with 800mhz FSB at 2.8Ghz or higher

• Any A64/X2

You'd be an idiot to not at least think about getting a 7600GT/7800GS X1950PRO/X1950XT instead of rebuilding your rig.

IMO of course

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sieistganzfett
i never even heard of gecube until today, even though i just ordered my agp sapphire x1950pro 512MB a few days ago, i don't think i'll be that upset for $235 i spent on it, even though a 1950xt may be next out the door, but at a higher price than a mere 235 from zzf. anything over $250 in my view is not worth it in my view for a new video card on an agp mobo, i'd just keep saving till i hit enough dough for a complete new system.

I hope you have a decent PSU for that Sapphire...otherwise you'll be joining the long list of people that have had their Sapphire die on them....you need at least 450W with 30a on the 12v rail...according to the requirements on the back of my Sapphire's box.

There's a bunch of posts on the TechPowerUp forums, about Sapphire's X1950 cards and having bad TIM installations/"bad batches" of cards. Some talk also about them using an Aluminum cooler instead of the copper cooler of the reference design, and causing overheating issues. I would watch the temps carefully. I highly doubt that the issue is caused by PSUs.

Especially http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?s...0pro-gf7900gs/1950pro_pwr_full.gif&1=1 which shows only 65.7W power consumption under heavy 3D load, for an X1950Pro.