postmortemIA
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apoppin, didn't I tell you I have 8600 3DMark05 score with my A64-3200+ socket 754...
The CPU test heavily favors Athlon 64 over P4.
The CPU test heavily favors Athlon 64 over P4.
apoppin
Lifer
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
yes that's a good arguement :roll: OCing a P4 allows it to almost catch up to a stock A64 that is rated much lower than the P4's OC'd clock speed.
nitromullet
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That is not a good idea IMO... Once you get to the point of upgrading your RAM with $250+ DDR RAM and an overpriced AGP card just to overclock an aging cpu, why not just consider upgrading the motherboard, cpu, and going with DDR2 RAM and PCIe. You can get 2GB of DDR2 800 RAM for much less than 2GB of DDR 500. I understand that it might be a little bit less out of pocket, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by throwing money at an aging computer.
Have you looked on Ebay to see how much a P4 3.4C can go for?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110098312917
...it's ridiculous... Almost $200... You can buy an AM2 A64 and a decent motherboard that
would blow your P4 3.4C away for $200... Add to that the $250+ you were planning on spending for the DDR 500, and you can get yourself some DDR2 800 and a new PSU.
edit: I'm kicking myself for selling my P4 3.4GHz for less 2 years ago. Never in my wildest dreams would I have guessed that a CPU's resale value would increase over time.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
yes that's a good arguement :roll: OCing a P4 allows it to almost catch up to a stock A64 that is rated much lower than the P4's OC'd clock speed.
you still miss my point
the P4 is a competitive CPU overall ... it was *much cheaper* than an equivalent A64 platform when i bought it FOUR years ago ... it has aged very gracefully and is still "competitive" [i play everything you do] ... and it IS definitely FASTER in many other areas besides *playing* gaming benchmarks.
Practically, i have a decent midrange gaming rig - still - after four years
not bad for a *lowly P4 2.80c*
:heart:
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
yes that's a good arguement :roll: OCing a P4 allows it to almost catch up to a stock A64 that is rated much lower than the P4's OC'd clock speed.
you still miss my point
the P4 is a competitive CPU overall ... it was *much cheaper* than an equivalent A64 platform when i bought it FOUR years ago ... it has aged very gracefully and is still "competitive" [i play everything you do] ... and it IS definitely FASTER in many other areas besides *playing* gaming benchmarks.
Practically, i have a decent midrange gaming rig - still - after four years
not bad for a *lowly P4 2.80c*
:heart:
not when I run mine at it's usual speed of 2.87ghz it isn't faster..come to think of it my A64 would leave your P4 WAY behind once it reachs 2.4ghz...which IIRC is a 3400+ rating which should be more in line with your P4....according to AMD anyway.
But that's enougth trolling from me today, I was bored so I thought I would stir the pot, so to speak.
Good luck Apoppin with your 2nd Sapphire, I hope you get to enjoy it this time.
apoppin
Lifer
we all *know* that the AMD A64 rating is at least one step conservative ... like the XP series was over rated
of course you can and should o/c your a64
*all* i am saying is that i am very *pleased* with my P4 rig's performance for the past few years ... it proved to be very good bang for buck and is and has been completely competitive with a stock A64 3000+ ... don't forget it's a 2.80c ... which is all i ever asked of it ... and in "other areas" beside gaming ... it positively shines over the A64
as we can see from THIS thread the CPU makes VERY little difference once you get to ~3 Ghz with an x1950p ... you get diminishing returns for your CPU speed "investment"
just my x1950p "upgrade" proved to be expensive
20/20 hindsight ... but i DO have a very nice PS and super-quiet for years to come
[i hope]
... and good luck to you also ...
:thumbsup:
of course you can and should o/c your a64
*all* i am saying is that i am very *pleased* with my P4 rig's performance for the past few years ... it proved to be very good bang for buck and is and has been completely competitive with a stock A64 3000+ ... don't forget it's a 2.80c ... which is all i ever asked of it ... and in "other areas" beside gaming ... it positively shines over the A64
as we can see from THIS thread the CPU makes VERY little difference once you get to ~3 Ghz with an x1950p ... you get diminishing returns for your CPU speed "investment"
just my x1950p "upgrade" proved to be expensive
20/20 hindsight ... but i DO have a very nice PS and super-quiet for years to come
[i hope]
... and good luck to you also ...
:thumbsup:
postmortemIA
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Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
Originally posted by: apoppin
we all *know* that the AMD A64 rating is at least one step conservative ... like the XP series was over rated
of course you can and should o/c your a64
*all* i am saying is that i am very *pleased* with my P4 rig's performance for the past few years ... it proved to be very good bang for buck and is and has been completely competitive with a stock A64 3000+ ... don't forget it's a 2.80c ... which is all i ever asked of it ... and in "other areas" beside gaming ... it positively shines over the A64
as we can see from THIS thread the CPU makes VERY little difference once you get to ~3 Ghz with an x1950p ... you get diminishing returns for your CPU speed "investment"
just my x1950p "upgrade" proved to be expensive
20/20 hindsight ... but i DO have a very nice PS and super-quiet for years to come
[i hope]
... and good luck to you also ...
:thumbsup:
I seem to have it so far...I haven't had any of the problems that every one else seems to be having with the sapphire card...maybe I just did things right in the first place by using a decent PSU...or I got a good card, who knows...but I keep my fingers crossed.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
also *reminding* you that mine is a 2.80c
a real budget CPU ... way back when
re: 3DMark05:
you get 8600 for a stock a64 3200
i get almost 7600 - stock 2.8 Ghz ... o/c'ing it 450Mhz to 3.25Ghz gives another nearly 500 points
you might get a couple of fps in a game over my o/c'd rig if you keep yours stock
mine does what i required of it ... compete nicely with a stock a64 3000+
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
also *reminding* you that mine is a 2.80c
a real budget CPU ... way back when
re: 3DMark05:
you get 8600 for a stock a64 3200
i get almost 7600 - stock 2.8 Ghz ... o/c'ing it 450Mhz to 3.25Ghz gives another nearly 500 points
you might get a couple of fps in a game over my o/c'd rig if you keep yours stock
mine does what i required of it ... compete nicely with a stock a64 3000+
And that is where you missed my point...shouldn't your rig be able to do that at 3.0ghz not 3.2-3.3ghz?
postmortemIA
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
also *reminding* you that mine is a 2.80c
a real budget CPU ... way back when
re: 3DMark05:
you get 8600 for a stock a64 3200
i get almost 7600 - stock 2.8 Ghz ... o/c'ing it 450Mhz to 3.25Ghz gives another nearly 500 points
you might get a couple of fps in a game over my o/c'd rig if you keep yours stock
mine does what i required of it ... compete nicely with a stock a64 3000+
I don't think I get any FPS more than you..running at... 1920x1200.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
also *reminding* you that mine is a 2.80c
a real budget CPU ... way back when
re: 3DMark05:
you get 8600 for a stock a64 3200
i get almost 7600 - stock 2.8 Ghz ... o/c'ing it 450Mhz to 3.25Ghz gives another nearly 500 points
you might get a couple of fps in a game over my o/c'd rig if you keep yours stock
mine does what i required of it ... compete nicely with a stock a64 3000+
And that is where you missed my point...shouldn't your rig be able to do that at 3.0ghz not 3.2-3.3ghz?
of course not ... why should it?
in "games" a stock 3.2Ghz NW P4 is expected to perform close to an A64 3000+ ... beating it in other apps.
[remember, we know a A64 is underrated a speed grade relative to the P4 as the XP is overrrated a speed grade ... and it was priced accordingly when i made my choice]
and i need to make a *correction* i noted whilst mucking about in the BIOS ...
*cough*
my divider was set to 5:4
:Q
i have mismatched pairs of PC-3500 ... they do not O/C well together
so... my 2.80c P4 with 8075 3DMark05 points at 3.25 Ghz is starved for bandwith ... below the 200 FSB [800FSB] norm.
uh ...
--that means IF i ever *need* to upgrade to 2GB of RAM [for *other* reasons] and price drops ... PC4000+ should allow me to keep my 3.25 [or 3.31Ghz OC with added vcore] and get over 900FSB ... a substantial CPU performance boost
. . . great for a real *cheapie* CPU ... years after the fact
imo
and mine is a very *average* O/C'er
. . . .
what's your point ... again?
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: apoppin
you may have ... my memory is ... uhm ...
what were we talking about?
stock or o/c'd?
ANYway ... i *knew for years* that the A64 architecture favoured it over P4 --in games ... but that O/C'ing it would allow it to nearly catch up to the 'stock' A64's
i *almost* bought an Athlon system ... "we" had one all picked out in a LONG discussion in GH when NewEgg raised the price overnight and i picked intel
no regrets
4 years later it is currently *competitive* and totally satisfactory for me - at my resolutions - in ANY modern game .. i'd say i got my money's worth in a super cheap rig
except for that damn $500 Sapphire "upgrade"
Stock, 2.2GHz with PC-3200 running at 200MHz.
also *reminding* you that mine is a 2.80c
a real budget CPU ... way back when
re: 3DMark05:
you get 8600 for a stock a64 3200
i get almost 7600 - stock 2.8 Ghz ... o/c'ing it 450Mhz to 3.25Ghz gives another nearly 500 points
you might get a couple of fps in a game over my o/c'd rig if you keep yours stock
mine does what i required of it ... compete nicely with a stock a64 3000+
And that is where you missed my point...shouldn't your rig be able to do that at 3.0ghz not 3.2-3.3ghz?
of course not ... why should it?
in "games" a stock 3.2Ghz NW P4 is expected to perform close to an A64 3000+ ... beating it in other apps.
[remember, we know a A64 is underrated a speed grade relative to the P4 as the XP is overrrated a speed grade ... and it was priced accordingly when i made my choice]
and i need to make a *correction* i noted whilst mucking about in the BIOS ...
*cough*
my divider was set to 5:4
:Q
i have mismatched pairs of PC-3500 ... they do not O/C well together
so... my 2.80c P4 with 8075 3DMark05 points at 3.25 Ghz is starved for bandwith ... below the 200 FSB [800FSB] norm.
uh ...
--that means IF i ever *need* to upgrade to 2GB of RAM [for *other* reasons] and price drops ... PC4000+ should allow me to keep my 3.25 [or 3.31Ghz OC with added vcore] and get over 900FSB ... a substantial CPU performance boost
. . . great for a real *cheapie* CPU ... years after the fact
imo
and mine is a very *average* O/C'er
. . . .
what's your point ... again?
I don't think I had a point....I was just trolling...this forum is starting to get boring...it needs a bit of life injected in to it again.
apoppin
Lifer
hey guys, will this work in my Abit IC7
Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4GHz 800MHz 2MB S478 CPU
$119.99 with $7 shipping
:shocked:
it's IN my cart
... i gotta look this up ... a nice cheap upgrade .. i can get ~$50 for my 2.80C
yes it should...I always wanted one of those...I reckoned it would be pretty kick ass on my SIS 655TX based GA-SINXP1394 rev 3.0
apoppin
Lifer
Features/Specifications:
got it ... $120 is cheap indeed ... i believe these babys also O/C
gotcha stumps
we'll compare A64 later this week
thanks
got it ... $120 is cheap indeed ... i believe these babys also O/C
gotcha stumps
we'll compare A64 later this week
thanks
the P4EE's are pretty much the fastest P4's availible for skt 478...it would be a good match for your i875P based mobo...and it should be faster than a stock A64 3000+ in every discipline...I've heard that they overclock pretty good too.
apoppin
Lifer
got it ... $127 is cheap indeed ... i believe these babys also O/C
gotcha Stumps
we'll compare A64 to P4 again ... later this week
thanks
i wonder how much of a *bottleneck* my x1950p will be
stay tuned
Originally posted by: apoppin
got it ... $127 is cheap indeed ... i believe these babys also O/C
gotcha Stumps
we'll compare A64 to P4 again ... later this week
thanks
you're on...and I'll chuck in a few of my OC'd benchies just to see how close you can get
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