apoppin
Lifer
thanks for the tips ... you do know your MBs and P4s
:thumbsup:
PCIe2 is still scheduled for '08 if i am still solvent
:thumbsup:
PCIe2 is still scheduled for '08 if i am still solvent
apoppin
Lifer
it's a disease i tell you
first i unnecessarily upgrade to a x1950p and realize my PS is weak ... spend $200 for a overkill OCZ ... then realize my CPU is a bottleneck ... $125 more dollars
into a DEAD END SYSTEM :Q
and i *know* it
well, to be fair, i will sell my current CPU ... and i can hang on to my old system a bit longer ... 2 GB PC 4000... heck ... if if my P4 3.4EE o/c's well i could upgrade to a 1900xtx in AGP
:shocked:
not
:laugh:
well i could
first i unnecessarily upgrade to a x1950p and realize my PS is weak ... spend $200 for a overkill OCZ ... then realize my CPU is a bottleneck ... $125 more dollars
into a DEAD END SYSTEM :Q
and i *know* it
well, to be fair, i will sell my current CPU ... and i can hang on to my old system a bit longer ... 2 GB PC 4000... heck ... if if my P4 3.4EE o/c's well i could upgrade to a 1900xtx in AGP
:shocked:
not
:laugh:
well i could
Originally posted by: apoppin
it's a disease i tell you
first i unnecessarily upgrade to a x1950p and realize my PS is weak ... spend $200 for a overkill OCZ ... then realize my CPU is a bottleneck ... $125 more dollars
into a DEAD END SYSTEM :Q
and i *know* it
well, to be fair, i will sell my current CPU ... and i can hang on to my old system a bit longer ... 2 GB PC 4000... heck ... if if my P4 3.4EE o/c's well i could upgrade to a 1900xtx in AGP
:shocked:
not
:laugh:
well i could
yep, before Christmas all I intended to do to my A64 rig was to replace my 6800GT with a 7800GS and then leave it for awhile so I could save to upgrade to a PCI-E rig...
...and then I got a new Antec TPII 550W PSU..
...and then a week later I got a new Antec TX1050B case and ThermalTake Bigwater 745 water cooling kit....
..and then in the same week I got my Sapphire X1950 pro...
Now I've got a E4300 and Asrock 4coredual VSTA on order from work..
when will this end....
apoppin
Lifer
http://mbsg.intel.com/mbsg/compare.aspx?orgID=0&aryAttrID=118
page 4 ... ic7 IS on the intel list for 3.2-3.4 EE
/phew
just off the Abit list
wth couldn't i see this BEFORE i made a thread about it?
oh, it's LATE ... early ... whatever
thank-you and good night!
it has been an entertaining and expensive evening
page 4 ... ic7 IS on the intel list for 3.2-3.4 EE
/phew
just off the Abit list
wth couldn't i see this BEFORE i made a thread about it?
oh, it's LATE ... early ... whatever
thank-you and good night!
it has been an entertaining and expensive evening
Originally posted by: apoppin
http://mbsg.intel.com/mbsg/compare.aspx?orgID=0&aryAttrID=118
page 3 i think ... ic7 IS on the intel list for 3.2-3.4 EE
/phew
just off the Abit list
wth couldn't i see this BEFORE i made a thread about it?
I'm pretty sure you should be sweet...If it supports one then it will support all of them...the 800FSB models that is...just make sure you have the latest BIOS update.
apoppin
Lifer
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
Originally posted by: apoppin
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
worth it
Lol....I originally started out with a budget of AU$400...just for my 7800GS, I've spent over AU$1200 so far...Just as well for all my other rigs...to give my left overs a home.
Hmmm yeah, you should get pretty close to it, my 3.4ghz Northwood does get close with a bit of fiddling of the memory speed and timings and a 50mhz increase to allow the ram to run a 400mhz....I'm still using DDR333 in all my P4's, but it can easily run at DDR400 speeds with a 0.1v increase, that gets it pretty close to 8600ish...I normal don't run the ram at 400mhz because I don't feel comfortablt with increasing the voltage on the generic Sietec ram I'm using in all my rigs.
From what I have seen and experienced with P4's you can be pretty much garrenteed a 400+mhz overclock from them at a minimum for Northwood B, C and prescotts using the Skt 478 socket, so 3.8ghz should be a snack for your setup.
Originally posted by: apoppin
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
that's why I went for the 4coredual VSTA for my C2D...no more excuses to keep buying AGP video cards...it has a PCI-E graphics slot as well as an AGP 8x...my Sapphire is the last AGP card I'll probably ever purchase.
Not too shabby at all...my 6800GT is a bit slower than the average 6800GT...mainly because of it's 700mhz (350) DDR1 128mb ram....same as the lowly 6800 uses, as my Asus V9999GT is just a 6800GT GPU on a 6800NU PCB.
although, just to brag, it doesn't compete with 9200+ that my current setup gets
dug777
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Originally posted by: Stumps
Not too shabby at all...my 6800GT is a bit slower than the average 6800GT...mainly because of it's 700mhz (350) DDR1 128mb ram....same as the lowly 6800 uses, as my Asus V9999GT is just a 6800GT GPU on a 6800NU PCB.
although, just to brag, it doesn't compete with 9200+ that my current setup gets
Nice
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Stumps
Not too shabby at all...my 6800GT is a bit slower than the average 6800GT...mainly because of it's 700mhz (350) DDR1 128mb ram....same as the lowly 6800 uses, as my Asus V9999GT is just a 6800GT GPU on a 6800NU PCB.
although, just to brag, it doesn't compete with 9200+ that my current setup gets
Nice
yeah, I thought so
especially for an older AGP based setup.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: dug777
Well, i backed off the CPU a bit, and hit the card up a little more, and i'm at 5328
I have to admit i'm quite impressed, especially as my CPU is dog slow, as is my RAM (12.5x167 (no divider to run 200) RAM is 2-3-3-7)...
not bad at all for a 6800GS and AXP ... my 7800GS and 2.80C @3.2Ghz scored 6,500 ... only a bit ahead of my x850xt
and to think ... i spent nearly $600 for +1500 'more' 3DMark05 points [Sapphire + OCz] over my x850xt score ...
v
and another $125 for 1,000 more ... maybe ... to stop using my 2.80c CPU as an "excuse"
over $700 to raise my 3dmark05 score 6k TO 9k ... and a *much nicer* dead-end system
:Q
priceless
:roll:
if you *look* at it that way
... i just say it is a "disease" ... and i got away *cheap* ... this time
*don't show* me any 2 x 1GB fast DDR1 RAM on sale, please! ... i am still 'weak' ...
[but i am keeping an eye out]
:Q
EDIT: since some of you think i am "channeling" him, let me pull a "rollo" ... as i remember it:
of course, i need some new games ... too .. for benchmark purposes
:laugh:
Originally posted by: apoppin
*don't show* me any 2 x 1GB fast DDR1 RAM on sale, please! ... i am still 'weak' ...
[but i am keeping an eye out]
:Q
Cheer up!
We could have a worse "disease"--some people are addicted to HDTVs or speakers.
So we're actually *saving* money this way...by having a more "economical" addiction.
:laugh:
nitromullet
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Originally posted by: apoppin
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
Yeah, you really should cancel the order for the P4 EE, and just bite the bullet on a new system...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Socket AM2...........................................................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103729
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800.................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI.............................$140.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013
...for about $360, you can get yourself into a nice PCIe rig, plus I'm sure you can sell your current gear for at least $150.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
Yeah, you really should cancel the order for the P4 EE, and just bite the bullet on a new system...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Socket AM2...........................................................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103729
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800.................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI.............................$140.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013
...for about $360, you can get yourself into a nice PCIe rig, plus I'm sure you can sell your current gear for at least $150.
forget it ... it's too late
i *dug* myself "in" with that AGP x1950p upgrade
i *should have* just kept myx850xt [period]
--hung tough till next year and *saved* money
since i didn't - i had to get the 7800GS OC to *see* if it could be a suitable replacement for my x1950p AND i wanted to get a reasonable price for my x1950.
Well, the 7800GS OC is a suitable replacement for the x850xt ... if you can get it cheap $160-$100=$60 ... great] ... BUT i wasn't going to "give away" my x1950p for $180
so i spent *more* money ... over $200 [yeah, yeah i get a $30 rebate, big whoop] ... for a 850w OCZ
and figures since i now have a REALLY nice videocard ... i might as well eliminate the bottleneck of my CPU for $120-40=$80 ...
or so i reasoned
the only thing is your Athlon 3800+ won't really be that much better than my P4EE @ 3.8Ghz ... even 'times two' ... in games ... yet ... and the EE is a big improvement over my 2.80c
and i won't need a new MB
and i won't need to give my x1950p away to buy another x1950p
and i won't need to replace my RAM
[still ... although 2GB of superfast RAM would be 'nice' for my current rig ... and looks to be getting "cheap"]
and i won't have to reinstall my apps and spend a week "tweaking" my new rig
and then - after *all that* i will STILL have to upgrade it next year ... again ... all over again for either Barcelona or Conroe's upgrade
if you really look at it - a more "positive" way ... i *only* spent $250 for my AGP x1950p/512M and $125 for my P4EE [$375] minus $140 for my x850xt and my 2.80c
$235 ... plus tax and any shipping
quite reasonable IMO for some substantial performance increase
Where i got *screwed* was with the back-and-forth with the Warranty ... buying a "replacement" ... the frustration and the time hassles
but that is *normal* to bad luck HW purchases ... ..it happens
the *other* thing was my PS ... i really cant count it's costs in THIS upgrade ... i just didi it early ... i doubt PSes are going to get much more powerful, silent or cheaper than my OCZ ... it is enough for SLI or Xfire
and *best* of all you guys got some drama ... and some benchmarks
:thumbsup:
i hope
i am OK with it
i got an education [Sapphire/warranties/ZZF vs NE] for relatively cheap
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
when we die or are too senile to care anymore
or homeless
:Q
that's about $650 for a 'minor' upgrade into a dead end system i am *really* upgrading next year
what do you think close to 9K in 3D Mark 05?
--if i can get close to 3.8Ghz and o/c sapphie a bit?
worth it
EDIT:
think there's an argument for PCIe ... about ...
... right now?
:roll:
Yeah, you really should cancel the order for the P4 EE, and just bite the bullet on a new system...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Socket AM2...........................................................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103729
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800.................$109.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI.............................$140.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013
...for about $360, you can get yourself into a nice PCIe rig, plus I'm sure you can sell your current gear for at least $150.
what about his Video card? you missed that one...
If anything a E4300 and a Asrock 4coredual VSTA would be a better choice and could be had for less (at least in Australia anyway)...then he wouldn't have to waste money replacing his already fast AGP X1950Pro....he could still use that and his DDR ram and have much better performance than any X2 could offer, and then simply upgrade to a PCI-E video card and DDR2 when his wallet recovers.
But it will be interesting to see how a P4EE performs against a A64...it should be reasonably close.
nitromullet
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The EE may keep up with an X2 3800+ if you don't OC the X2 and you NEVER do anything in the background while you game. I used to think that I wouldn't really utilize the full potential of a dual core cpu either, but after having one for almost two years now I catch myself multi-tasking effortlessly without even realizing it. It isn't uncommon for me to be [de/en]coding something while playing a game these days, and not even noticing that I'm doing it.
Getting yourself onto the AM2 not only gets you a dual core cpu that will overall out do a P4 3.4EE and make your system much more multi-task friendly, but it also puts you onto a more upgradeable platform... I was just throwing the X2 3800+ out there as an example because it's an extremely good bargain, but you have a whole range of dual and single core AM2 cpus to choose from between $50-200.
The reason I didn't include the video card into the estimate is because he's already got an AGP X1950Pro and 7800GS in hand, and I'm sure he could work something out to get himself a PCIe card that is better than either one of those cards. He might even be able to sell those two cards, and have enough for an 8800GTS 320MB. If you look at it that way, there is no question of what would be the better performing gaming rig...
Isn't that the motherboard that doesn't support the 8-series (a standard PCIe X16 card) for some reason? I don't buy AsRock or VIA boards, so I don't recommend them to others. That being said, an E4300 chip with an Intel or nForce chipset might not be a bad option either. Don't misunderstand me here, the components I parted out are simply to show that a transition to a decent PCIe platform was feasible. I'm not in the market for a mid-range rig at the moment, so I haven't put a great deal of reaearch into it. I'm sure it's possible to find a better performing rig for less.
apoppin
Lifer
the 7800GS is RMA'd ... i'd have to take a big loss on the Sapphire ... and rebuy it in PCIe ... or spend even more for 'something better'. Nope.
i *never* do anything in the background ... anyway ... an old habit from Win95 days, i shut anything unnecessary down .... even though the P4 *can* handle extra processing thru HT while a game is running.
--and by the time 'x2' is necessary, i'll have 'x4'
yes a E4300 would be a better choice .. no argument from me
i just didn't want to spend the bucks upgrading my MB ... and the week with the OS, Apps and tweaks ...
a $120 CPU swap-upgrade is cheap ... this is from a NW 2.80c to the former flagship intel CPU.
... intel pulled out all the stops for this one ... i believe it was well over $1,000 [and still got it's ass handed to it by AMD's best ... but it was a *lot* closer than NW was at end of life at 3.4Ghz against the A64 3400+/3600+.. it started as a Xeon Gallatin with that 2MB L3 cache and ended up being pitted against the AMD 3800/4000+, i believe
nitromullet
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No doubt about it, the EE was a badass chip 3 years ago, but it was never really worth the $1000+ pricetag. Especially not back then, considering the fact that most people really felt that many people would actually be running a 64-bit OS by now, and it still was a 32-bit chip.
I think it was actually pitted against the Athlon64 FX chip of the day, as both were overpriced and (IIRC) unlocked.
/sigh... Oh well, guess your stuck with AGP until 2008. Have fun...
I think it was actually pitted against the Athlon64 FX chip of the day, as both were overpriced and (IIRC) unlocked.
/sigh... Oh well, guess your stuck with AGP until 2008. Have fun...
Nothin wrong with that...his setup is faster than a lot of more "Modern" PCI-E setups.
I say good on him if he can get another years worth out of his PC.
apoppin
Lifer
not a *bad* stuck ... where an AGP rig is actually competitive with a upper-midrange PCIe rig
and i am finally having fun
... for not a lot of money
unless i go crazy with the RAM
[but i gotta see IF the P4 3.4EE o/cs ... if it is an excellent O/C'er @3.8+Ghz, it would be wise to get a 1:1 divider and get the FSB way up there ...
even at "stock" it should be a lot better than my o/c'd 2.80
i'll let you know
and thanks, Stumps ... i had this reply ready but forgot to hit 'reply'
not really a bad upgrade ... for AGP ... an i *know* that OCZ will find years more life in a completely new rig ... that baby is quiet
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