AGP X1950PRO 512 & P4 Bottlenecks - Questions Answered

[Paratus]

Don't forget to get a nice cooler too.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Don't forget to get a nice cooler too.

oh crap!


guess what i might have forgot?
:Q


won't the stock HS/Fan for my NW also work?
--at least for awhile
:clock:

does it *fit*?

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Paratus
Don't forget to get a nice cooler too.

oh crap!


guess what i might have forgot?
:Q


won't the stock HS/Fan for my NW also work?
--at least for awhile
:clock:

does it *fit*?

If your HSF unit is one of the later skt 478 models with the copper core then it will work fine for the P4EE....you might be able to get away with using the older all Aluminium HSF unit at stock speeds but it won't cope with much in the way of overclocking.

 

[apoppin]

all i remember is that it is really heavy ... i haven't touched it in over 3 years

first i need to see if it is *capable* ...
... i can blow cold air on it while testing

then upgrade to something "nice" if it is very O/C'able

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Paratus
Don't forget to get a nice cooler too.

oh crap!


guess what i might have forgot?
:Q


won't the stock HS/Fan for my NW also work?
--at least for awhile
:clock:

does it *fit*?

If your HSF unit is one of the later skt 478 models with the copper core then it will work fine for the P4EE....you might be able to get away with using the older all Aluminium HSF unit at stock speeds but it won't cope with much in the way of overclocking.

I had the copper core Intel HSF. It only managed to keep my Prescott at 62C under load.

My Zalmon 9500CNPS - 48C (52C w/X1950)

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Paratus
Don't forget to get a nice cooler too.

oh crap!


guess what i might have forgot?
:Q


won't the stock HS/Fan for my NW also work?
--at least for awhile
:clock:

does it *fit*?

If your HSF unit is one of the later skt 478 models with the copper core then it will work fine for the P4EE....you might be able to get away with using the older all Aluminium HSF unit at stock speeds but it won't cope with much in the way of overclocking.

I had the copper core Intel HSF. It only managed to keep my Prescott at 62C under load.

My Zalmon 9500CNPS - 48C (52C w/X1950)

yeah they don't seem to work real well on the Prescott based P4's...I'm using one on my 3.0ghz@3.4ghz Prescott and it seems to work ok..it get upto 58c at full load.

the P4EE are much closer to the Northwood in their design so they don't run nowhere near as hot as a Prescott....I doubt very much that Apoppin will see a huge increase in temps going from his OC'd Northwood C to the Gallatin based P4.

 

[apoppin]

good news!

i'll give it a try first ... go from there

the EE and the NW differ primarily in the EE having 2MB of L3 cache ... NW has no L3 ... both .13nm CPUs ... right? ... Prescotts are hotter running 09nm CPUs with more L2 cache than either the NW or EE ... it's been "awhile" and i didn't pay much attention to the EE as it was still so expensive and getting smoked by the FX, anyway ... although it did fairly well against the a64 4000+, i believe

 

[evolucion8]

I ordered that Gallatin Chip too, is not a huge increase over my good northwood in most tasks, but in gaming is a healthy increase, up to 20%. And since I have this CPu sold for 80 bucks, it will cost me only a few bucks, I feel sorry for those websites that keep selling this CPU over 1200 bucks, they're smoking something allucinogen.http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=p434ee&page=1
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=2&articleid=201
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Roundups/intel478778/
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3307281__1

A couple of old articles about this CPU, now let's see if a Decent DX10 card appears or the X1950XT AGP.

 

[apoppin]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.html?i=2002

it went up against the FX-53 and lost
--what is that approx 3800+ ?
reading again

. . . still a pretty hefty step-up from my 2.80c IF it o/c's

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin
good news!

i'll give it a try first ... go from there

the EE and the NW differ primarily in the EE having 2MB of L3 cache ... NW has no L3 ... both .13nm CPUs ... right? ... Prescotts are hotter running 09nm CPUs with more L2 cache than either the NW or EE ... it's been "awhile" and i didn't pay much attention to the EE as it was still so expensive and getting smoked by the FX, anyway ... although it did fairly well against the a64 4000+, i believe

Nope, it didn't...4000+ handed the EE it's ass in everything you could throw at it.

the P4EE 3.4ghz is comparable to a 3400+ in most tasks...the extra L3 doesn't offer a huge performance increase of the regular 3.4ghz P4...not enougth to justify to $1000+ price tag anyway, but it's enougth to keep it close to a 3400+...maybe a 3500+ in some encoding disciplines...always a strong point of the Netburst based CPU's.

Overclocked to 3.8ghz see's it close the gap on the 4000+ and it should get pretty close to one in most benchmarks...and probably beat it out in most encoding disciplines.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin
good news!

i'll give it a try first ... go from there

the EE and the NW differ primarily in the EE having 2MB of L3 cache ... NW has no L3 ... both .13nm CPUs ... right? ... Prescotts are hotter running 09nm CPUs with more L2 cache than either the NW or EE ... it's been "awhile" and i didn't pay much attention to the EE as it was still so expensive and getting smoked by the FX, anyway ... although it did fairly well against the a64 4000+, i believe

Nope, it didn't...4000+ handed the EE it's ass in everything you could throw at it.

the P4EE 3.4ghz is comparable to a 3400+ in most tasks...the extra L3 doesn't offer a huge performance increase of the regular 3.4ghz P4...not enougth to justify to $1000+ price tag anyway, but it's enougth to keep it close to a 3400+...maybe a 3500+ in some encoding disciplines...always a strong point of the Netburst based CPU's.

Overclocked to 3.8ghz it see it close the gap on the 4000+ and it should get pretty close to one in most benchmarks...and probably beat it out in most encoding disciplines.

that's what it was ...
-thanks

IF it O/C's well, i have a very capable CPU

and from reading DW's review in AT P4 3.4EE pretty much beats the 3400+ - except in some games where it even loses to the 3200+ but then also beats the FX53 occasionally - and is more comparable to the to the FX-51 ... which i am guessing is 3600+[+]

 

[Stumps]

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

 

[dug777]

Well, i picked up Serious Sam 2 for $15 today, so i'm off to let my 6800 really do stretch it's legs.

I recall running it at 1024 with everything maxed and 2xAA/8xAF on my 6000GT (also massively oc'd ), so i should be good for 1280 with 2xAA/8xAF everything maxed i hope

I'd be interested to see what this card could do paired with a C2D AGP board, if its pulling 5330 in 3DMock05 with my old CPU/Mobo/RAM...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

awesome!

i had the GPU chart ... didn't know about this one

i stayed up reviewing the old EE reviews ... it performs very much like a A64 3200+ [minimum - in games] up to a A64 3800+ [sometimes] and even beats the FX53 very occasionally [in Q3]... depending on the specific benchmark .... in "office" applications and encoding it performs even better [MS Word 97 should load very - very - quickly ]

-no matter how you look at it .. a stock 3.4EE is a substantial upgrade over my O/C'd 2.80c even at 3.31Ghz
[i remembered that part right ]

and an o/c'd one might really 'shine'

now i probably gotta buy a nice HS/F
-- more money

2x 1GB PC 5000 ... next?
:disgust:

depends

 

[ArchAngel777]

That reminds me... We should all get a co-op game of SS2 going on... Apop, do you have it? Dialup isn't a concern so much with co-op, so I am sure you could join up... Pretty cool game overall.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

awesome!

i had the GPU chart ... didn't know about this one

i stayed up reviewing the old EE reviews ... it performs very much like a A64 3200+ [minimum - in games] up to a A64 3800+ [sometimes] and even beats the FX53 very occasionally [in Q3]... depending on the specific benchmark .... in "office" applications and encoding it performs even better [MS Word 97 should load very - very - quickly ]

-no matter how you look at it .. a stock 3.4EE is a substantial upgrade over my O/C'd 2.80c even at 3.31Ghz
[i remembered that part right ]

and an o/c'd one might really 'shine'

now i probably gotta buy a nice HS/F
-- more money

2x 1GB PC 5000 ... next?
:disgust:

depends

Yeah, but is it really worth it? I mean, are you not getting acceptable framerates in games right now? It doesn't make a lot of sense to upgrade the CPU at this point even IF you are CPU limited. The only time CPU limited should matter is if you turned on all the eye candy you want in a game and you are still CPU limited, then and only then, would I consider upgrading the CPU and then, it would have be if the frame-rates were low. Just my opinion on it.

I am sitting on a 3500+ right (ok, 4000+ since it is O/C) and I know the upgrade bug... I have almost pulled the trigger twice on getting a 939 X2, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense because 1) I will be doing an overhaul within a year anyway and 2) the performance difference won't mean anything because I can still enjoy any game I want at acceptable frame-rates. Think it over

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

awesome!

i had the GPU chart ... didn't know about this one

i stayed up reviewing the old EE reviews ... it performs very much like a A64 3200+ [minimum - in games] up to a A64 3800+ [sometimes] and even beats the FX53 very occasionally [in Q3]... depending on the specific benchmark .... in "office" applications and encoding it performs even better [MS Word 97 should load very - very - quickly ]

-no matter how you look at it .. a stock 3.4EE is a substantial upgrade over my O/C'd 2.80c even at 3.31Ghz
[i remembered that part right ]

and an o/c'd one might really 'shine'

now i probably gotta buy a nice HS/F
-- more money

2x 1GB PC 5000 ... next?
:disgust:

depends

Yeah, but is it really worth it? I mean, are you not getting acceptable framerates in games right now? It doesn't make a lot of sense to upgrade the CPU at this point even IF you are CPU limited. The only time CPU limited should matter is if you turned on all the eye candy you want in a game and you are still CPU limited, then and only then, would I consider upgrading the CPU and then, it would have be if the frame-rates were low. Just my opinion on it.

I am sitting on a 3500+ right (ok, 4000+ since it is O/C) and I know the upgrade bug... I have almost pulled the trigger twice on getting a 939 X2, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense because 1) I will be doing an overhaul within a year anyway and 2) the performance difference won't mean anything because I can still enjoy any game I want at acceptable frame-rates. Think it over

worth it?

absolutely .. it is an $80 upgrade

--and it brings me *in line* with your CPU [if i can o/c it]


Would you like to be *stuck* with an A64 2800+ ... at stock speeds, Mr. 4000+?


and like you, i am upgrading next year, too

and 'yep', i have SS2 ... seriously ...

didn't like it ... a bit ... SS & SSse just blew it away in the "fun" factor ... if not graphically

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
That reminds me... We should all get a co-op game of SS2 going on... Apop, do you have it? Dialup isn't a concern so much with co-op, so I am sure you could join up... Pretty cool game overall.

Fo reals

 

[apoppin]

SS2 co-op is only 4 ... or 16 people?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

awesome!

i had the GPU chart ... didn't know about this one

i stayed up reviewing the old EE reviews ... it performs very much like a A64 3200+ [minimum - in games] up to a A64 3800+ [sometimes] and even beats the FX53 very occasionally [in Q3]... depending on the specific benchmark .... in "office" applications and encoding it performs even better [MS Word 97 should load very - very - quickly ]

-no matter how you look at it .. a stock 3.4EE is a substantial upgrade over my O/C'd 2.80c even at 3.31Ghz
[i remembered that part right ]

and an o/c'd one might really 'shine'

now i probably gotta buy a nice HS/F
-- more money

2x 1GB PC 5000 ... next?
:disgust:

depends

Yeah, but is it really worth it? I mean, are you not getting acceptable framerates in games right now? It doesn't make a lot of sense to upgrade the CPU at this point even IF you are CPU limited. The only time CPU limited should matter is if you turned on all the eye candy you want in a game and you are still CPU limited, then and only then, would I consider upgrading the CPU and then, it would have be if the frame-rates were low. Just my opinion on it.

I am sitting on a 3500+ right (ok, 4000+ since it is O/C) and I know the upgrade bug... I have almost pulled the trigger twice on getting a 939 X2, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense because 1) I will be doing an overhaul within a year anyway and 2) the performance difference won't mean anything because I can still enjoy any game I want at acceptable frame-rates. Think it over

worth it?

absolutely .. it is an $80 upgrade

--and it brings me *in line* with your CPU [if i can o/c it]


Would you like to be *stuck* with an A64 2800+ ... at stock speeds, Mr. 4000+?


and like you, i am upgrading next year, too

and 'yep', i have SS2 ... seriously ...

didn't like it ... a bit ... SS & SSse just blew it away in the "fun" factor ... if not graphically

I wouldn't mind honestly. You can still play everything you want, right?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

this should give you a rough idea of how the P4EE 3.4 performs

awesome!

i had the GPU chart ... didn't know about this one

i stayed up reviewing the old EE reviews ... it performs very much like a A64 3200+ [minimum - in games] up to a A64 3800+ [sometimes] and even beats the FX53 very occasionally [in Q3]... depending on the specific benchmark .... in "office" applications and encoding it performs even better [MS Word 97 should load very - very - quickly ]

-no matter how you look at it .. a stock 3.4EE is a substantial upgrade over my O/C'd 2.80c even at 3.31Ghz
[i remembered that part right ]

and an o/c'd one might really 'shine'

now i probably gotta buy a nice HS/F
-- more money

2x 1GB PC 5000 ... next?
:disgust:

depends

Yeah, but is it really worth it? I mean, are you not getting acceptable framerates in games right now? It doesn't make a lot of sense to upgrade the CPU at this point even IF you are CPU limited. The only time CPU limited should matter is if you turned on all the eye candy you want in a game and you are still CPU limited, then and only then, would I consider upgrading the CPU and then, it would have be if the frame-rates were low. Just my opinion on it.

I am sitting on a 3500+ right (ok, 4000+ since it is O/C) and I know the upgrade bug... I have almost pulled the trigger twice on getting a 939 X2, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense because 1) I will be doing an overhaul within a year anyway and 2) the performance difference won't mean anything because I can still enjoy any game I want at acceptable frame-rates. Think it over

worth it?

absolutely .. it is an $80 upgrade

--and it brings me *in line* with your CPU [if i can o/c it]


Would you like to be *stuck* with an A64 2800+ ... at stock speeds, Mr. 4000+?


and like you, i am upgrading next year, too

and 'yep', i have SS2 ... seriously ...

didn't like it ... a bit ... SS & SSse just blew it away in the "fun" factor ... if not graphically

I wouldn't mind honestly. You can still play everything you want, right?

you *still* don't "get it"

i planned this for 3 years!

Fine Tuning a 2.80c P4 O/C -2/10/04
my rig is over 3 years old and i wanted to surprise it for it's birthday :Q
[x1950p/OCZ 850w/P4EE]

3.4C O/C? Looking for a (final) upgrade for Abit IC7 - 9/21/04
thinking ahead

Looking for a (final) upgrade for Abit IC7 5/17/05

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am looking for that one last "cheap" "interim" upgrade. . . . it's been about 8 months since i asked here last and was hoping for an "update" from you guys . . .

I am running a 2.80c right now at 3.31Ghz . . . . i know the Northwoods are "dead end" and the best i can hope for - for a decent upgrade - is a 3.2c o/c'd to ~3.7+ghz

i can't find ANY new 3.4Cs

The 3.2c is still pretty expensive now . . . ~$275. . . however i can still get a few bucks for my 2.80c . . . is it a worthwhile [likely] upgrade from 3.3 to 3.7Ghz? or shall i just save my money for '07?

....

i forgot which, but my 2.80c is not a "good" stepping . . . . and +500Mhz is just an 'average' O/C for a NW

i figure 3.8Ghz would be a goal to make a worthwhile upgrade for less than $100

then it's A-64 all the way [unless intel has a good showing late '06]

My "predictions" have always been good

and now "gotcha" ... for less than 100$
:thumbsup:

see it wasn't a coincidence

once i "upgraded" to x1950p the FINAL upgrade "path" was *destined* ... since before my rig was born
:roll:

:laugh:


iF i wanted to leave it along, i would have/should have kept my x850xt.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Ahhh, makes sense. Your plans, your money

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Ahhh, makes sense. Your plans, your money

spread my costs out over 4 years ... from Jan 04 deep into 2008 - now - because of this upgrade ... if you look back, i was originally planning to upgrade in '07 ... i got almost a year's "reprieve" on my rig by doing this *now* ... to '08

is it beginning to make financial sense to you yet?


it was a super-bang-for-budget rig that was made "upper-midrange" in '04 by OC'ing ... i think i paid $200 more over selling my 1.6Ghz Tualatin Rig ...

-- and i *only * bought video cards, a PS [for the next 4 years, also] and now an $80 CPU ... that makes it *still* solidly "midrange" ... plus.



*i* think it makes sense

i should have my P4 EE CPU this week ... it shipped today

wish me luck as an o/c'er


good luck!


if i *don't* get good luck, you'll never know everything about AGP X1950PRO 512 & P4 Bottlenecks
:laugh:

 

[Stumps]

Don't listen to all the nah sayers Apoppin...it'll be a good upgrade.

I copped plenty of critism when I was upgrading from my 3000+@2.33ghz AXP to a Skt 754 3000+ A64, plenty of people told me it wouldn't be a worth while upgrade, without any real head room for improving it's performance, not to mention all the PCI-E fanboi's chimed in with their anti AGP BS.

Well I went ahead with the upgrade anyway, and now who's laughing....a 2.87ghz A64 is nothing to sneeze at as far as performance goes, it's faster in most common tasks (Single threaded applications) and games than most X2's, and has provided over a years worth of faithful service.

 

[apoppin]

thanks, man ... i just need a little o/c'ers' luck
:thumbsup:
[i have usually been better good than bad ... so i am "worried" .... a little ... playing the 'odds' ... hopefully this is one of the last good steppings]

... at the worst, even if it is a *dog* - it will still be about 15-20% faster than my 2.80c at 3.31Ghz