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michal1980 said:
aren't you a judgmental ass.

the woman that made the CHOICE to have sex, should be fully aware of the consequences of such a choice so as to not have to choose to murder a person.
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If being judgmental is being an ass what is your judgment that he is judgmental amount to?

All I hear is a cold emotionless description of biological facts used to make a legalistic case. I think it is a sound argument for a female robot to make wishing not to self replicate, but it is not an argument I could make if I were a pregnant woman. I have no idea what I would do and I never will it I do know that if I decided on abortion I would suffer tremendous guilt and pain. I am also, as far as I know, careful enough to never have fathered an unwanted child so I never wound up on the powerless side of that parental decision. That has been my answer to the abortion issue.
 
Moonbeam said:
The logic that a human fetus isn't a person is utter nonsense to me. It's a fucking human being in my book. The logic is emotionally ineluctable to me.
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But that is beside the point. No person enjoys the rights that the anti-freedom women-haters want to bestow to fetuses. I thought I covered that fairly well.
 
michal1980 said:
aren't you a judgmental ass.

the woman that made the CHOICE to have sex, should be fully aware of the consequences of such a choice so as to not have to choose to murder a person.
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Does anyone want to ballpark the percentage of instances of heterosexual intercourse that result in pregnancy? It's gotta be pretty low. I mean, as far as I know I'm at 0% - and yes, I have considered the juvenile responses to that statistic I'd expect from the likes of these lip service "patriots."
 
Paratus said:
Also things are necessary based on the reason behind doing them.
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Being necessary means there are no other options. There are other options other than killing the baby.
If you were starving to death eating ice cream yesterday was a necessity. I however will take your word for it was not.
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Great, so you agree that it isn't necessary unless there is no other option to save a life.
Much like I take the word of the women who pursue an abortion that it is necessary for them.
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Very trusting when things agree with your preconceived ideology.
Since what they are doing is legal and not wrong in any articulable way there's no reason to not accept their word on it's necessity.
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When you believe yourself to be a meat machine, nothing is wrong in any articulable way.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I still think the easiest way to shut pro-lifers up is make it a law where you have to declare you are pro-choice or pro-life. Pro-lifers get taxed more and must adopt 2 kids each from a woman who would have rather had an abortion. Nothing shuts people up more than money. If you are found lying about being pro-choice when you are really pro-life you are thrown in jail and fined some amount 🙂

Basically a put up, or shut up method.
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Pay or we will murder children. Swell argumentation buddy.

If this is about money lets kill all poor kids who need governmental assistance.
 
Eli said:
But I was wanted.
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You're proposing treating people like live stock. If you're older and nobody wants you, we get to put you out to pasture.
You can't have it both ways. If someone doesn't want their kid and has decided to get an abortion, what is the difference?
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This is what Casey Anthony thought, apparently. She just aborted a couple years too late.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
PSA: no person, born or "unborn," enjoys a right to occupy the body of another person against that person's will. No person, born or "unborn," enjoys a right to forcibly extract the totality of their metabolic requirements from another person against that person's will. No person, born or "unborn," enjoys a right to inject another person with hormones and bodily waste against that person's will. Any such activity constitutes a violation of that person's fundamental right to bodily integrity, and the defenses of one's bodily integrity include deadly force when it is required. Any waiver of that person's fundamental right to bodily integrity must be explicit.

The so-called "pro-life" advocates intend to relegate a woman's pregnancy to a form of punishment for her audacity to have sex without the express purpose of procreation. They are nothing more than bitter, prude, moralistic misogynists that resent the advent of personal agency of women. Keep this in mind at all times. Thank you.
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This piece of work thinks women should be able to abort 1 day before the due date for any reason whatsoever. This person is sick.
 
brycejones said:
This is something we'll just have to disagree on.
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Of course, but it does not change the fact that a human fetus is a unique one of a kind human unborn human being. You can't argue with ineluctable realities. You are simply talking about a legal sophistry that legalizes a woman's right to terminate a human life. That is legal and I would argue it has to be. But personally, I never want to anesthetize myself via cold formulaic logic that I feel nothing at all for the loss of a human life. I feel most of my pain over abortion for the women whose life circumstances bring then to such a need. It makes me cry inside. I can't understand that terrible need to blame women who want an abortion. In a decent loving world I think it would be quite uncommon. All of us who have any hand in the violence of completion is as guilty as any mother. As a guilty party I have no right to blaim anybody for anything.
 
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Cerpin Taxt said:
Does anyone want to ballpark the percentage of instances of heterosexual intercourse that result in pregnancy? It's gotta be pretty low. I mean, as far as I know I'm at 0% - and yes, I have considered the juvenile responses to that statistic I'd expect from the likes of these lip service "patriots."
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If I just go by the months my wife and I were trying to get pregnant and just count the one time a month ovulation was occurring I'd put it at about 16% chance. Otherwise about 0%.
 
Moonbeam said:
Now there's a secular meat machine argument if I've ever heard one, like a prostitute willing to sell her body but haggling over the price, or a Satanist seeking the best deal for his soul.
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If I were against abortion, which I am, why wouldn't I want to limit them as much as possible? Do I need to get 100% of my demands or I'm a charlatan hypocrite? I'll take whatever I can get.
 
Moonbeam said:
The question is this. In a secular society governed by the laws of human beings, beings with diverse religious and secular opinions on what to do about the moral quandary presented by abortion, would you, if you had sole poser to decide the issue make it illegal for women to receive abortions in cases other than the life of the mother? I am asking if you are the hand of God, if your moral judgment is so certainly superior to that of other people that you, if you could, would prevent their capacity to do what you see as a sin. Just answer that. You understand I hope, that if you could and would exercise such judgment over other I would consider you to be Satin himself. Would you if you could, end abortion as a legal right and cause all the chaos and misery such a ruling would bring to society in addition to the fact that abortion would continue illegally and to reduce would require more and more of a police state?

Don't run away. All I want is a yes or no. Not, however, holding my breath.
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Who is this Satin you keep talking about?

I'm not answering your hypothetical. I'm not in that position and I never will be. Don't waste your carpal tunnel asking me further.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
But that is beside the point. No person enjoys the rights that the anti-freedom women-haters want to bestow to fetuses. I thought I covered that fairly well.
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The fact that random evolution produced the human creature in the form of two sexes, one of which can give live birth by carrying a fertilized egg internally supplying all its needs, and also has a tremendous sex drive and takes great pleasure in sex, perhaps even unconsciously driven, while at the sane time has no personal volition as to when she ovulated and is fertile does not, in my opinion, create the condition that a fetus is somehow a violation of her bodily rights. What you refer to as an imposition on a woman's rights to me is simply our human condition which as thinking and technologically advanced beings, sort of anyway, we no longer have to accept. We can free ourselves from some of our biological chains. It is our capacity to do so, in my opinion, that creates the right. I have a right to live also, but I am going to die, simply because I can't prevent it. I just wonder if I could, would the religious demand a very late term abortion so I not avoid judgment day. 🙂
 
buckshot24 said:
Who is this Satin you keep talking about?

I'm not answering your hypothetical. I'm not in that position and I never will be. Don't waste your carpal tunnel asking me further.
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Come on you liar. I'm not in a position to tell you what I'd do if I won a million dollars, but that doesn't stop me from telling you I'd give it all to charity, now does it. Come on, if you could make abortion illegal in certain conditions you've described, would you do it?

I'm typing with only one finger and it's no strain on my wrist.
 
buckshot24 said:
Pay or we will murder children. Swell argumentation buddy.

If this is about money lets kill all poor kids who need governmental assistance.
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This thread stinks of buckshat. It is clear your brain is full of buckshat also, which would explain the idiocy you display in your lack of logic and reasoning skills.
 
buckshot24 said:
Is this how you've accumulated 40k plus posts?
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Oh, fuck, not the youpostalot distraction again. I got thousands of my posts calling people who pull that shit morons.

I was in a bar and an Irishman and an Italian wanted to leave so I let the Irishman out but not the Italian. Why?
 
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