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zinfamous said:
I always find it curious when so called "pro-lifers" seem to believe that there is a crowd of people that actually like abortions.

This is odd, because not only is it completely untrue ("pro choice" does not mean "pro abortion"), it seems that many of their arguments depend on this being true to hold any water.

Pro-lifers are basically an entire movement whose central morality and reason for existing is entirely built around one massive strawman.
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There has been some campaigns recently about showing pride for abortions.

But what would you say if some guy was "pro-choice" for lynchings? I don't think you'd need to consider them liking doing it to argue against it.
 
buckshot24 said:
But what would you say if some guy was "pro-choice" for lynchings? I don't think you'd need to consider them liking doing it to argue against it.
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huh?

Besides the dozens of reasons that your stupid comparison is completely irrelevant, you do understand that one is murder and one is not, correct?

Oh wait, no, you probably don't.
 
zinfamous said:
I always find it curious when so called "pro-lifers" seem to believe that there is a crowd of people that actually like abortions.

This is odd, because not only is it completely untrue ("pro choice" does not mean "pro abortion"), it seems that many of their arguments depend on this being true to hold any water.

Pro-lifers are basically an entire movement whose central morality and reason for existing is entirely built around one massive strawman.
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Well said. I'm not "for" abortion, nor do I know anyone who is. I think abortions are horrible. I am for letting women make their own choices, however.

I also challenge the notion that most abortion opponents are truly pro-life. The so-called "pro-life" crowd seem to lose interest in that life once it's outside the womb. They are largely the same group who's most vocally opposed to government polices to support that life with health care, education, etc. They are far more anti-abortion than pro-life.
 
There is a word for this. It is called infanticide.

Killing female children was quite common at one point because a household use to have to offer a dowry to marry off the daughters. It was common in the time of Mohammed the prophet? I am estimating that at around 1000 AD or around the time of the Roman empire. Of course in some cultures like China they use to sell Women so many poor people did not have available free women to marry.
 
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buckshot24 said:
Could you explain to me the material difference between what you believe people are and what you think a meat machine is?
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How about you explain it to us. You use this meat machine term in a regular basis against those who don't agree with you. It's your term define it buckshat.
 
Bowfinger said:
Well said. I'm not "for" abortion, nor do I know anyone who is. I think abortions are horrible. I am for letting women make their own choices, however.

I also challenge the notion that most abortion opponents are truly pro-life. The so-called "pro-life" crowd seem to lose interest in that life once it's outside the womb. They are largely the same group who's most vocally opposed to government polices to support that life with health care, education, etc. They are far more anti-abortion than pro-life.
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I think you pretty much nailed it here
 
zinfamous said:
huh?

Besides the dozens of reasons that your stupid comparison is completely irrelevant, you do understand that one is murder and one is not, correct?

Oh wait, no, you probably don't.
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I used it to illustrate a point. I don't care if you like abortions or not. Like you wouldn't care if a pro choice lyncher liked lynching or not. I consider abortions wrong and we both consider lynching wrong.
 
buckshot24 said:
I used it to illustrate a point. I don't care if you like abortions or not. Like you wouldn't care if a pro choice lyncher liked lynching or not. I consider abortions wrong and we both consider lynching wrong.
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Yes but you don't have a reason you can articulate why abortion is wrong so you didn't illustrate any point.
 
buckshot24 said:
I used it to illustrate a point. I don't care if you like abortions or not. Like you wouldn't care if a pro choice lyncher liked lynching or not. I consider abortions wrong and we both consider lynching wrong.
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I don't like abortions, either. I wouldn't consider them "wrong" even though I would like to see them reduced as much as possible and made as safe as possible when necessary (which has only ever happened when it is made legal--wrap your head around that one), because to me that is more of a moral judgement.

It does not apply to murder--lynching--which is a moral issue at its base. Abortion is not murder so you aren't really operating in the same sphere here.
 
buckshot24 said:
I used it to illustrate a point. I don't care if you like abortions or not. Like you wouldn't care if a pro choice lyncher liked lynching or not. I consider abortions wrong and we both consider lynching wrong.
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But if you are a man this is a problem that doesn't exist for you because you will never have to make a decision in this area. So what is your skin in this game. Isn't it that you would want to make your consideration of what is wrong to be the law of the land. Furthermore, isn't your surety that life is sacred have its origin in a holy book, the supposed word of god? Isn't it just your faith you want to impose on others? Isn't it just the case that your self-righteousness has caused you to see other people with different programming as evil. How does a sleeper like you make rules for others who sleep. You simply remove all the gray complexities of life with the certainty of your own faith. You are as sure of the good as the devil is of his evil with makes you the same thing. And you are as committed as he is. You have the disease of certainty, a certainty that would lead you to actions, no?

So tell me, do you advocate or do you enforce and impose the truth on others?

Are you certain enough to impose your moral judgment over the sinner who wants an abortion? Just answer that question without your usual deflections.

I don't think you will answer straight and honestly. Prove me wrong.
 
zinfamous said:
I don't like abortions, either. I wouldn't consider them "wrong" even though I would like to see them reduced as much as possible and made as safe as possible when necessary (which has only ever happened when it is made legal--wrap your head around that one), because to me that is more of a moral judgement.
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Most abortions aren't "necessary" is the problem. Just convenience. But we're getting closer to agreeing which is impressive. 3000 a day on average is taking a place. How many of those do you think is necessary? How many abortions daily do you think were happening before 1973?
It does not apply to murder--lynching--which is a moral issue at its base. Abortion is not murder so you aren't really operating in the same sphere here.
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The only reason I used "pro choice lynchers" is to try and illustrate that you don't need to be for something in order to be part of the problem.

If I said I believe people should have the choice on whether or not to kill another person would it matter that I don't personally kill?
 
buckshot24 said:
If I said I believe people should have the choice on whether or not to kill another person would it matter that I don't personally kill?
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why do you insist on stuffing this strawman when it has no place in this topic?

granting people "the choice to kill" does not apply to abortion.

You think the central complaint here is "choice," so you attempt to deconstruct that with all sorts of absurd uses of "choice"

This is called buckshatting a discussion to the level where only stupid people play.
 
Moonbeam said:
But if you are a man this is a problem that doesn't exist for you because you will never have to make a decision in this area. So what is your skin in this game.
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I have personal regret and pain in this area.
So tell me, do you advocate or do you enforce and impose the truth on others?
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Do you do that when you say it is wrong to murder another person?
Are you certain enough to impose your moral judgment over the sinner who wants an abortion? Just answer that question without your usual deflections.
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Yes, I am certain enough that the elective abortion of a human being is wrong and a society would be better off not embracing death. When there is a choice between two individuals then the rules change.
 
zinfamous said:
why do you insist on stuffing this strawman when it has no place in this topic?

granting people "the choice to kill" does not apply to abortion.

You think the central complaint here is "choice," so you attempt to deconstruct that with all sorts of absurd uses of "choice"

This is called buckshatting a discussion to the level where only stupid people play.
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I'm using something you consider wrong and shouldn't be allowed. How about stealing? If I thought people should have the choice on whether or not they steal from others does it really matter if I steal or not? I want a society where people steal, legally.
 
buckshot24 said:
I'm using something you consider wrong and shouldn't be allowed. How about stealing? If I thought people should have the choice on whether or not they steal from others does it really matter if I steal or not? I want a society where people steal, legally.
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piling on the buckshat.
 
buckshot24 said:
I'm using something you consider wrong and shouldn't be allowed. How about stealing? If I thought people should have the choice on whether or not they steal from others does it really matter if I steal or not? I want a society where people steal, legally.
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Stealing and murder involve at least two separate entities. Just because you think a fetus is a separate entity doesn't make it so.
 
buckshot24 said:
Thank you for that offer.
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Shocking that you would refuse to back up something you said.

We should probably go back to no one answering any of your questions until you back up your assertions. It took a while before but eventually you caved and made at least a token attempt to discuss an issue like an adult.
 
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