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Also, one note on that, this is an oft-repeated platitude that must be nipped at the bud.
The paths referred to in the Vedas are talking about the different Yogas like Bhakti, Jnana, Karma, and Raja. It was discovered (Shruti) thousands of years before the semitic cults came into existence.
Is there a surprise all the other religions, mainly the semitic ones, came into being in the Kali Yuga?
Read this article about the myth of "Hindu Sameness": http://rajivmalhotra.com/index.php?...indu-sameness&catid=24:unclassified&Itemid=33
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no india sux not as bad as Pakistani though so you get consolation prize.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264738-0
busydude
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Do you think I respect priests? Most of the priests from AP and TN are trained by TTD... there is also major lobbying going on for priests to obtain US visas. I sympathize with them as they are paid peanuts while the BOD pocket money incessantly.
TTD is one of the most richest, powerful and corrupt entity in the country.. and do you think I trust these priests who are being churned out from this system?
A brahmin who leaves his motherland is equal to an untouchable.. why is it so hard to understand. Based on your rhetoric.. how can one consider you a Brahmin?
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The difference is you arnt killing people around the world with Bhagavad Gita in hand. That make you okay in my book. unlike the history of Muslim conquest all over the world which is nothing less than a virtually unmitigated history of destruction, terrorism and regression.
Even places that have accident of geology (oil) we discovered, built, and made a market for them are repressive fundi shit holes no matter how much money they have
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Wow, is this something that only I must practice, or does this go for all of the turds on AT P&N?
Now you can clearly see how the Muslims feel on this forum.
why India and Pakistan. US has been supporting the terrorist nation of Pakistan since 1961 and has armed it to the teeth.
Even after 911 the US has armed Pakistan with
1.F-16 C/D for fighting the Taliban / AQ Airforce
2. 1000's of AIM 9X sidewinders for sparring with Taliban Air force.
3. hundreds of Harpoon missiles and a bunch of older naval frigates for fighting the ocean faring Taliban / AQ navy
4. hundreds of artillery pieces . Okay this could be used for attacking taliban positions, but mostly was sent to the Indian border.
5. Spanking new P3C Orion plans to monitor Taliban submarines and AQ underwater threats..
6. Bunch of other offensive shit.
Guess who all these weapons are for. when the US gives all this shit for free to the terrorist nation of Pakistan even after the Indian govt has repeatedly said after 911
1. All the terrorist pigs are now based in Pakistan and are under the support of the Army.
2. These weapons are detrimental to India as they will be used ONLY again india. In a war this will cause Indian lives.
The US cold water bureaucrats was sucking on Pakistani balls and liking the taste emanating, which was like honey in their mouth and they kept giving them billions and billions while the US went into a economic downturn..hahaha. Maybe the US has to be turned into glass to end its misery and hopefully put an end to the bird brain analysts / strategists.
who is biggest ashole here. I wonder what would happen the next time AQ/ Pak based jihadists use a dirty bomb in NYC.. Maybe I should be happy then, coz then it is karma is action. stop being as asshole and calling for the complete destruction of India who has not done anything to you. You have perpetually supported a terrorist nation [militarily/ politically] which was causing grievous harm to India and you are directly complicit in the killing of 60,000 Indians over the last few decades. I think Karma has paid a good dividend by fucking up the US economic clout with unecesasrry wars. They shoud have just focussed on Pakistan and given them a ultimatum instead of sucking and tasting their pig fat filled army/ ISI balls.
Also funny how kashmiri insurgents who were called freedumb fighters in Kashmir suddently were now classified militants after 911. Western hypocrites. similary with Chechen terrorists. They were called freedom fighters in the US/UK press and that turned to militant/ terrorists..hahaha you guys are such bold faced hypocrites.
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busydude
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I do, but you are not helping in anyway... you, along with TGB, are just reinforcing the notion that all Muslims are just brainwashed dummies.
I certainly do not think so.. as I grew up in a city which is 50% Hindu and 45% Muslim.. I have a lot of best friends that are Muslims, we discuss religion.. but not in such insulting and insinuating manner.
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I have to agree that budydude is a breath of fresh air. In terms of religious diversity, its all in how we choose to define it. We can choose to define religious differences as a community asset, but when it comes to Pakistan, it may be almost 100% Muslim, but the wacki sharia law of the Taliban has almost zero appeal in in the modern parts of the Pakistan.
Yet when we in the bulk of the USA choose to demonize religious beliefs, we are super quick to condemn Pakistan, yet when it comes to wacki Sharia law, we love the Muslims of Saudi Arabia. And when it comes to the Jews of Israeli, who expelled helpless Palestinians at the point of a gun in 1948, we love them too even as they have become religious wackos of the first order.
As for the Bosnian Christians, we busily pretend that they were not Christians who practiced massive genocide on Muslims. Meanwhile back in India, we in the US get up on our high horse when Muslims kill Hindu, but busily ignore the fact the Hindu butcher and genocide far many more Muslims at the same time.
Its simply why I appreciate the fact, when I grew up in a University town, my fellow children did not waste our time on religious diversity. As our parents who were professors had to rely on others who might help them on pieces of knowledge they did not possess. I was too young to remember the great Aridos, who helped my father prove something he struggled with, and I grew up besides a great Jew and and a holocaust survivor. Who met his wife in Yugoslavia and lived to see a new genocide to his horror.
In short, religious diversity is something we should celebrate, and not ever allow to become a object of discrimination.
As maybe the American example is Dr. Martin Luther King JR, who summed it all up in the content of character.
Yet when we in the bulk of the USA choose to demonize religious beliefs, we are super quick to condemn Pakistan, yet when it comes to wacki Sharia law, we love the Muslims of Saudi Arabia. And when it comes to the Jews of Israeli, who expelled helpless Palestinians at the point of a gun in 1948, we love them too even as they have become religious wackos of the first order.
As for the Bosnian Christians, we busily pretend that they were not Christians who practiced massive genocide on Muslims. Meanwhile back in India, we in the US get up on our high horse when Muslims kill Hindu, but busily ignore the fact the Hindu butcher and genocide far many more Muslims at the same time.
Its simply why I appreciate the fact, when I grew up in a University town, my fellow children did not waste our time on religious diversity. As our parents who were professors had to rely on others who might help them on pieces of knowledge they did not possess. I was too young to remember the great Aridos, who helped my father prove something he struggled with, and I grew up besides a great Jew and and a holocaust survivor. Who met his wife in Yugoslavia and lived to see a new genocide to his horror.
In short, religious diversity is something we should celebrate, and not ever allow to become a object of discrimination.
As maybe the American example is Dr. Martin Luther King JR, who summed it all up in the content of character.
Read up about the Muslim Invasions of India and the genocide of Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir. Europe is already facing the heat from Muslim immigrants and trying to come up with ways to curb Muslim immigrants and that too with Muslims making up just a couple of percentage points in their population. While here in India the muslims make up close to 20% of the population and you guys sit there and tell us about religious tolerance.
Baasha is InfoHawk. It's pretty obvious and I must admit that this one person brilliantly portrays two of the biggest discriminatory user accounts here. InfoHawk is the great white supremacist of the forum and Baasha is the great supporter of caste systems and Indian/Hindu nationalism and such.
You have zero idea of what you are talking about. Of the three mass-slaughters that can be defined as genocide in the 20th century one of them has been in the sub-continent. That was in 1971 and perpetrated by none other than the Pakistani military (with the politicians egging them on) in Bangladesh (erstwhile East Pakistan). The statistics of those slaughtered was between 1 million to three million with Hindus being particular targets. 7 million were rendered homeless and fled to India (I still remember going from house to house collecting money for the refugee relief fund set up for them). Rape was official policy in terrorizing the Bangladeshis into submission. So, it is almost certain that many of those holding high positions in the Pakistani army today are rapists and murderers. As well, the criminals who ordered this genocide like Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan, A.A.K. Niazi, Rao Farman Ali were never brought to book and died peacefully in old age. These guys would make Mladic look like a petty murderer. 93000 pakistani army soldiers were taken prisoner by India and repatriated to their country against the wishes of the Bangladeshis who were baying for their blood.
As for India, considering the provocation of partition of India by the feudal, racist bigots who lined up behind Jinnah, there has been incredible restraint by the Hindus against Muslims in India. Compare that to how the Palestinians are even today refusing to acknowledge a similar partition that created Israel. A number of the killings can be traced to provocation by muslim extremists (the Gujarat riots, for example, were instigated by them when they burned down a bogey with Hindu pilgrims in it). Even including that one, the number doesn't even remotely compare to the number of extremist motivated killings in Pakistan which topped 12500 in 2010 alone. Today, Hindu-Muslim riots hardly ever occur. Even the provocation of the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attacks didn't bring about one such riot. Even the court verdict for the Babri Masjid last year didn't bring about one killing (which would have been the norm twenty years ago). Pakistanis like TGB harp on Muslim "discrimination" in India for one simple reason: to keep proving to themselves that the false premise of the partition of India was right, even while daily events prove that Jinnah's bigoted creation is an abject failure.
The more you post such silly canards, the more stupid you look.
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Historical facts; especially India before the invasions (prior to 7th century CE).
India made some of the greatest contributions to mankind in art, culture, science, mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, and ethics.
Any major topic of study you take as an example, if you trace its origins, it comes from India.
Francois Voltaire, one of the greatest figures of the Enlightenment, has stated this about India:
"I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges, astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc." - Voltaire, Lettres sur l'origine des sciences et sur celle des peuples de l'Asie (first published Paris, 1777), letter of 15 December 1775.
He also stated the following about India in comparison to Europe or Western "civilization":
"We have shown how much we surpass the Indians in courage and wickedness, and how inferior to them we are in wisdom. Our European nations have mutually destroyed themselves in this land where we only go in search of money, while the first Greeks travelled to the same land only to instruct themselves." - Voltaire, Fragments historiques sur l'Inde (first published Geneva, 1773), Oeuvres Completes (Paris : Hachette, 1893), Vol.29, p.386
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Why do you conflate cultural superiority with racial superiority?
I am saying Indian/Hindu culture represents the zenith of the human experience and culture. Anyone who is devout and disciplined can become Hindu. It has nothing to do with "race".
SHITfohawk only talks about racial superiority which is superfluous.
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Broheim
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btw, the only thing that comes down from the banks of the Ganges is dead people and feces...
btw, the only thing that comes down from the banks of the Ganges is dead people and feces...
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I do not mean to demean you in anyway, and what you have said now and in numerous other posts about India of the past is true as per my knowledge. What I am saying now.. is just my opinion on what is wrong with your argument.
The problem is that you have no idea about the realities.. especially with the nuances and subtleties(Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it helps a little if you do). India sure has a glorious past.. but are there any accounts of how a common man lived at that time? I think they lived in worse conditions than the poor in post independent Modern India.
You can glorify all you want about the past, but that does not help in anyway changing the future.. those ideas do not help us move forward in here or in the practical world.
Argue with others about the changes that are taking place in India right now.. the population of middle class is bigger than the population of US, people are more confident in their approach. First steps are being taken to provide transparency (RTI), people are getting pissed off and impatient at the government, growth in private sector is tremendous and Govt. sectors are making profits.. the progress that India made in the last 20 years was unimaginable during the 70's and 80's. There are much less communal riots, the police and Intelligence are vigilant.. security is improving by the day, although women are not safe when compared to men. That said, we have fewer problems than before.. but those fewer problems that remain.. outweigh the progress we have made until now.
I am not pointing fingers are you specifically.. but to everyone who likes to think that living in the past or doing things the old ways is better than making an effort now.. to change the future.
I just don't get your view of "regaining it's rightful position." In this modern world it is pretty much inconceivable.
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This was arguably true once, but unarguably false for the last few thousand years. Today India's main claim to fame is being the largest third world status nation now that China has begun the long climb out of poverty. There is very little invented in India today except for claims of superiority and English-sounding names for call center workers. http://www.illwillpress.com/techYT.html
You may also want to actually learn something about the culture you idolize. Roughly a quarter of Hindus in India are Untouchables, comprising a majority of the Dalits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untouchable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit
While you're at it, you might want to learn a bit about Christianity as well; calling us corpse worshippers misses the whole point of the religion. If you're in America, you may also want to send your buds in India word of why there are no Untouchables in America; with regular and judicious use of soap, shampoo, detergent, and clean water, there are no Unclean occupations.
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What do you exactly mean by "move forward"? Become more like western societies? I think that is moving backwards. You see, IMO, Indian society these days, which claims to be secular (read: anti-Hindu) is just playing catch-up to the materialistic values of the west. That is not my definition of 'progress'.
India should be a Hindu country in values, culture, and practice. It is still somewhat so in pockets around the country. What I like India for are the Hindu values and philosophy it propounded on the banks of the Saraswati and Sarayu. Not Bollywood and morons playing catch up with the west with their goofy accents. The land that invented Yoga and discovered the nature of reality should not be lost to the petty values of materialism and vice.
I guess you're right there. Especially with Indians themselves denigrating their own culture and blindly aping the west, there isn't much hope.
Do you think there will be a Hindu revolution in India any time soon?
Baasha
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"last few thousand years"? You have your numbers mixed up. Aryabhatt, who lived in the 4th century CE, was arguably the greatest astronomer in the history of the world. Even in the early 2nd millenium CE, the Kerala school of mathematics was at its zenith and Bhaskara II who lived in the 12th century CE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhāskara_II) invented principles of Calculus erroneously attributed to European mathematicians 500 years after him.
Although the decline of Indian/Hindu society started since the Arab invasions in the 7th century CE, it wasn't until the British scum who destroyed the Indian education system, called gurukula, that India began its precipitous fall into poverty materially and consequently in contributions in other fields. It was Brahmagupta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta), in the 6th century CE who started to use zero mathematically and created rules for it. The decline of Hindu society started with the barbaric invasions by Muslims and then was exacerbated tremendously by the British in the 17-20th centuries.
And, I agree Indian society today is not much to write home about, except for orthodox Hindus who maintain the same lifestyle that their ancestors practiced thousands of years ago. My point is that this is due to the 1300 years of constant invasions, attacks, and barbarity imposed on the Hindu/Indian ethos.
Even then, the potential for Indians still remains strong. As mentioned in another thread, Indians have, in just a couple of decades, become the model minority in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority) in being the most highly educated AND the highest earning of the others. What does this mean? It means that given the proper environment that supports creativity and talent, as America undoubtedly has for the past 70 odd years, Indians will dominate.
My wish is to see that ENVIRONMENT of talent and meritocracy return to Indian society as it was for many thousands of years. Hindu values and society are made for that. With Hinduism being trashed by Indians themselves, it is no surprise 'them curry munchers be playin catch up'.
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Although I hate that phrase, I completely agree with you. I never said India IS a first world country or whatever. What I have repeatedly stated is that India's CURRENT SITUATION was caused by the barbaric invasions that led to degradation of Indian society and culture. India was the most advanced society in the world before these invasions. Even after the Muslims took over large parts of the sub-continent, people were scrambling to go to India like they are nowadays trying to get into the US.
With the advent of socialism, communism, and so-called secularism (which is just anti-majority at whatever cost), Indians (Hindus) themselves are erroneously looking outside for models of progress instead of doing research on their own history to see how and why Indian/Hindu society was so great long ago.
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