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Nemesis 1

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Who cares? One group of terrorists killing another. Sounds better than wasting lives of civilized western nations.







Sounds better than wasting lives of civilized western nations.[/QUOTE]

Ya the killing of innocent women and children isn't terroristic is it ?
 

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Although I hate that phrase, I completely agree with you. I never said India IS a first world country or whatever. What I have repeatedly stated is that India's CURRENT SITUATION was caused by the barbaric invasions that led to degradation of Indian society and culture. India was the most advanced society in the world before these invasions. Even after the Muslims took over large parts of the sub-continent, people were scrambling to go to India like they are nowadays trying to get into the US.

With the advent of socialism, communism, and so-called secularism (which is just anti-majority at whatever cost), Indians (Hindus) themselves are erroneously looking outside for models of progress instead of doing research on their own history to see how and why Indian/Hindu society was so great long ago.

Why do you live in the US when you hate everything about it? On the one extreme you have guys like you and on the other extreme you have guys like nick1985 who thinks Indians are uncivilized fools. The truth as it normally does lies somewhere in between.

We were a great civilization and the fault for it's destruction lies as much with us as it does with Muslim and British invaders. We have to learn from the past but also have our eye on the future. Hinduism teaches you about the importance of balance and you would do well to learn about it and try and practise it.
 

routan

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I do, but you are not helping in anyway... you, along with TGB, are just reinforcing the notion that all Muslims are just brainwashed dummies.

I certainly do not think so.. as I grew up in a city which is 50% Hindu and 45% Muslim.. I have a lot of best friends that are Muslims, we discuss religion.. but not in such insulting and insinuating manner.

Then perhaps you should first speak to your fellow Indians about their insulting and insinuating banter.

I have not seen TGB speak ill of Hindus. And my post was but a response to the non-stop Islamophobia on this forum, some clearly seen in this thread.
 

OCGuy

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The soldiers they put out on the frontier appear to be the most inept.

Yet they are kicking our advisors out because we had the balls to do their job and take out the most wanted man in the world?
 

OCGuy

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This happened in March, but still... Damn.

It is so bad I am surprised it got out at all....

By itself, it wouldn't mean too much. But with the airport siege by 6 people, Bin Laden living in a military town, and the story that this thread is about...it all adds up to a poorly trained military.
 

Baasha

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Why do you live in the US when you hate everything about it?

Where the hell did I say or infer I "hate" the US? WTF is wrong with you?

The US is my home. I love this place as I've grown up here. I don't have problems with anyone as long as they don't denigrate India and/or Hinduism.

Don't extrapolate my statements and twist what I'm saying.
 

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Hello i have been lurker on the forum since long time ................. but this " The Green Bean " has finally made me sign up and do posting.

I am from india and a hindu.

Now we are very fortunate that we have a pakistani who has hindu friends, has family connection in india, has traveled to india, has Christian friend, and out of less then 5000 parsi in pakistan he somehow found them and loves them dearly too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and is friend with them such a lovely environment of peace in pakistan.

How lovely such an enlightened soul.

He worries about fate of indian muslims, indian caste system, kashmir issue and etc etc such a kind soul.

If indian muslim have such a horrible place in india and in specially gujarat then why aren't muslims running away into pakistan..........there should have been huge refugee camp in pakistan.............do know that indo pak share huge border..........why aren't muslims running away from india..........they are poor anyway as per mr the green been.......so they have nothing to loss. Why isn't there any huge refugee camp in pakistan of indian muslims................ One really wonders.

i mean he says india doesn't allow muslims to own flats..........as he keeps say they are " denied" the flats here. so by defination all of them live in slums or in bunglow........if they live in bungalows they are rich.............weird. and if in slum they have nothing to loss by running away from indian hell hole.


While pakistan is free of all the faults and all the turmoil is because of india, america, RAW, Jews, Britian, israel, imperialism etc etc etc.

My question is has pakistan and pakistani developed economically, socially and all the sphere of society so much that it can give advice to others, is pakistan role model???.


India has numerous challenges and many critical problems with no solution in sight and yet i can't see any role model behavior from Pakistan. So that we can say we should follow up to and listen to pakistan and its government or to mr geen been. Hell he says whole indian was tribal society of castes ...... before muslim invasion and muslim enlighted us hindus.


I mean such a history and such deep knowledge can't be countered.
 
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Jaskalas

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It is so bad I am surprised it got out at all....

By itself, it wouldn't mean too much. But with the airport siege by 6 people, Bin Laden living in a military town, and the story that this thread is about...it all adds up to a poorly trained military.

Guess our money doesn't buy what it used to.
 

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This was arguably true once, but unarguably false for the last few thousand years. Today India's main claim to fame is being the largest third world status nation now that China has begun the long climb out of poverty. There is very little invented in India today except for claims of superiority and English-sounding names for call center workers. http://www.illwillpress.com/techYT.html

You may also want to actually learn something about the culture you idolize. Roughly a quarter of Hindus in India are Untouchables, comprising a majority of the Dalits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untouchable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit

While you're at it, you might want to learn a bit about Christianity as well; calling us corpse worshippers misses the whole point of the religion. If you're in America, you may also want to send your buds in India word of why there are no Untouchables in America; with regular and judicious use of soap, shampoo, detergent, and clean water, there are no Unclean occupations.




Poverty issue is totally true. Not much invention is also true.......Doing grunt work in call center and in IT is also true. Still being largely backward is also true. Corruption from every indian is also a problem, huge population,,,,,,,,,gazillion problems, healthacre issue, We are backward in every department to china. Totally true. We have fell behind......................... but we haven't given up yet.............. communal, and various other problems persist.

About untouchables........and dalits. They no where compromise 25% of population. They are at best 10-15% of population.

Do you think majority of people in india still care about that stuff in india. In cities and big small towns no body cares about it. It is now all about money and who has it...........if you are rich that;s the only thing that matters now a days................................. It is still a major issue nonetheless. Who do you think hindus are afraid of dalits or muslims.

They do face challenges, numerous...........but do know that most of indian's are still poor......................in the land of 1.2 billion you become apathetic..........it is only about your own survival. In the jungle it is only about your own survival.

You will find equal and more numbers of upper caste, middle caste and lower caste poor.

But do know that they have since 1950 reservation a quota system ( affirmative action ) in education, government jobs,, promotions,,,,subsidized housing like Mahada housing.

Look up at State of Utter-pradesh in india.........largest most populace and most backward state in india..........it has chief minister Ms. Mayawati from untouchable caste to boot is a woman.........her party Bahujan Samaj Party which is party of untouchables is ruling the state.........purly on merit. She gets votes from whole section of society from upper caste, lower caste to untochable to muslims. She is corrupt .........what to do now?

Indian constitution was written by a untouchable.

Does this count as progress?

No it is so easy to get on high horse when USA and west had a virgin land to rape and native population to fuck.............people to employ as slaves, then take people from africa and employ them in slavery. Then discriminate against them till 1960. Colonizing and looting people from africa to asia. ( European countries )

But no sir no we have to lecture.

We only had 60 years.............we were under muslim rules from 1100-1700. all hindu were slaves in muslim world.............then British came to rape us.................we don't have unspoiled continent and black, native people for slavery. We didn't do the genocide and looting of the whole continent and whole world.


Yes china did a lot and wonderful job.................100 times better then us. Far superior civilization...........even in ancient times they were superiors.
 
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Where the hell did I say or infer I "hate" the US? WTF is wrong with you?

The US is my home. I love this place as I've grown up here. I don't have problems with anyone as long as they don't denigrate India and/or Hinduism.

Don't extrapolate my statements and twist what I'm saying.

India is A LOT like Pakistan, the major cities (you can thank us Brits for almost all of that in India, it would be even more of a shithole if we didn't at least give you the architecture and materials) are somewhat ok, the countryside is filled with the worst of the worst of customs.

Honor killings and punishing women by disfiguring them is just as prevalent in India as it is in Pakistan, actually it's MUCH more prevalent in India, fully comparable to Kurdish traditions for some reason.

Hinduism is a fucked up religion and until the US invaded Iraq for no reason but to let Muslim terrorism spread the MAJORITY of terrorist acts in the world were committed by Hindus, namely the LTTE.

Not to mention the ancient caste system which is so fucked up that it's forbidden in practice in most of India while no one really cares that it's still practiced. It's like forbidding discrimination and then looking the other way when it happens every second of every day.
 
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Poverty issue is totally true. Not much invention is also true.......Doing grunt work in call center and in IT is also true. Still being largely backward is also true. Corruption from every indian is also a problem, huge population,,,,,,,,,gazillion problems, healthacre issue, We are backward in every department to china. Totally true. We have fell behind......................... but we haven't given up yet.............. communal, and various other problems persist.

About untouchables........and dalits. They no where compromise 25% of population. They are at best 10-15% of population.

Do you think majority of people in india still care about that stuff in india. In cities and big small towns no body cares about it. It is now all about money and who has it...........if you are rich that;s the only thing that matters now a days................................. It is still a major issue nonetheless. Who do you think hindus are afraid of dalits or muslims.

They do face challenges, numerous...........but do know that most of indian's are still poor......................in the land of 1.2 billion you become apathetic..........it is only about your own survival. In the jungle it is only about your own survival.

You will find equal and more numbers of upper caste, middle caste and lower caste poor.

But do know that they have since 1950 reservation a quota system ( affirmative action ) in education, government jobs,, promotions,,,,subsidized housing like Mahada housing.

Look up at State of Utter-pradesh in india.........largest most populace and most backward state in india..........it has chief minister Ms. Mayawati from untouchable caste to boot is a woman.........her party Bahujan Samaj Party which is party of untouchables is ruling the state.........purly on merit. She gets votes from whole section of society from upper caste, lower caste to untochable to muslims. She is corrupt .........what to do now?

Indian constitution was written by a untouchable.

Does this count as progress?

No it is so easy to get on high horse when USA and west had a virgin land to rape and native population to fuck.............people to employ as slaves, then take people from africa and employ them in slavery. Then discriminate against them till 1960. Colonizing and looting people from africa to asia. ( European countries )

But no sir no we have to lecture.

We only had 60 years.............we were under muslim rules from 1100-1700. all hindu were slaves in muslim world.............then British came to rape us.................we don't have unspoiled continent and black, native people for slavery. We didn't do the genocide and looting of the whole continent and whole world.


Yes china did a lot and wonderful job.................100 times better then us. Far superior civilization...........even in ancient times they were superiors.

The only civilised areas are the ones which were modeled after the Magna Carta, given by the Brits as rule of law.

Gandhi had a good thing going for a while though, too bad the Hindus hated the Muslims enough to tell him to go fuck himself or both nations would probably have been better nations...

China is still a shithole for the population there, definently worse than India but some Mao lovers don't give a shit for freedom so they disregard all of that.
 
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India is A LOT like Pakistan, the major cities (you can thank us Brits for almost all of that in India, it would be even more of a shithole if we didn't at least give you the architecture and materials) are somewhat ok, the countryside is filled with the worst of the worst of customs.

You're pretty messed up in the head to think that bloodthirsty British people deserve thanks ever since they ran around and committed genocides all over the world.

Not to mention the ancient caste system which is so fucked up that it's forbidden in practice in most of India while no one really cares that it's still practiced. It's like forbidding discrimination and then looking the other way when it happens every second of every day.

Wow, at least it's 'forbidden' in India. Look at your own country - you guys celebrate your caste system and make excuses for it.

Both the Indian caste system and the British caste system are pretty disgusting, but it's hypocritical for you to bash the Indian caste system and yet fully support your British monarch-peasant caste system. Disgusting.
 
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The only civilised areas are the ones which were modeled after the Magna Carta, given by the Brits as rule of law.

Gandhi had a good thing going for a while though, too bad the Hindus hated the Muslims enough to tell him to go fuck himself or both nations would probably have been better nations...

China is still a shithole for the population there, definently worse than India but some Mao lovers don't give a shit for freedom so they disregard all of that.

Nothing modeled after the British is civilized. In fact, Indians probably still practice the caste system today because of British involvement. The British actually celebrate their caste system, which probably had a colonial impact on Indian society. Why would so many of these Indian people abandon caste traditions when their former colonial rulers practice a caste system to this very day?
 

Howard

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Nothing modeled after the British is civilized. In fact, Indians probably still practice the caste system today because of British involvement. The British actually celebrate their caste system, which probably had a colonial impact on Indian society. Why would so many of these Indian people abandon caste traditions when their former colonial rulers practice a caste system to this very day?
Are you talking about the nobility?
 
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Are you talking about the nobility?

I'm talking about the British royalty-peasant caste system. I think it's about time that the British abandon their disgusting caste system. Hell, India is pretty much a hell hole and even their government abandoned the caste system, although I'm sure people there practice it in their day to day lives. However, the British government still supports their caste system.

How can British people even talk about the Indian caste system when their own UK government supports a caste system and the Indian government has outlawed it? Ridiculous.
 

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The only civilised areas are the ones which were modeled after the Magna Carta, given by the Brits as rule of law.

Gandhi had a good thing going for a while though, too bad the Hindus hated the Muslims enough to tell him to go fuck himself or both nations would probably have been better nations...
Pakistan was a country built on racism and bigotry (when it became apparent that India would gain it's independence from the British, there were plenty of speeches by the Northwestern feudals ranting about not willing to be ruled by the bengali "darkies" in a united India which bubbled up in 1971 to cause it's breakup and, as muslims, considering themselves to be superior to hindus and ranting about being the rulers of India as their birthright). In fact, this is the ideology that drives Pakistan even today. The result is the Pakistan you see today: intolerant, bigoted, racist, two-timing and a personification of everything that is loathed in the civilized world. Here's an article that shows how Christians are treated there, let alone the original inhabitants, the Hindus being marginalized and the Buddhists wiped out.

Christian Minster forbidden to present annual budget of Punjab province of Pakistan. Lahore: June 8, 2011. (PCP) “The Muslim dominated society of Pakistan forbids Christian to eat in any restaurant in Pakistan, a Christian student is forbidden to drink water in a glass in schools in which Muslim student drinks water, a roadside Vendor will beat you and charge you for cup in which you drink tea when he recognize you as Christian, it is Pakistan where Muslim members of National Assembly of Pakistan can block a move to offer prayers for slain Christian member of parliament, so, its not surprising if Muslim members of ruling party in Punjab Assembly are resisting on presentation of annual budget by a Christian Minister Michael Kamran on June 10, 2011” said Dr. Nazir S Bhatti, President of Pakistan Christian Congress PCC, here today. Dr. Nazir Bhatti said that hate among religious communities in Islamic Republic of Pakistan is created by Sharia legislation and Pakistan Assembly and Muslim parliamentarians are responsible for it weather they are moderate, liberal or Islamic. “If blasphemy laws and other discriminatory laws legislated in 8th amendment to legalize Presidential Orders of General Zia-ul-Haq were abolished as present government abolished other laws in 18th amendment in constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Pakistani society might have communal harmony in state but PPP, MQM, ANP and JUI(F) coalition government legislated to remove Photo of General Zia-Ul-Haq from parliament building in 18th amendment but not dared to touch blasphemy law and other Islamic laws imposed by former dictator General Haq” added Nazir bhatti The Sharia laws imposed by General Zia-Ul- Haq turned religious minorities in Pakistan to be infidel citizens who must pay Islamic Tax to live in Islamic Republic of Pakistan and present regime kept status- quo to prevail hate among religious communities. “The Islamic Republic of Pakistan constitutionally empowers Muslims to abduct a Christian woman, her enforced conversion and marriage to a Muslim and protects violence against Christians” said Nazir Bhatti Nazir Bhatti said “I am not surprised on move by Muslim legislators of Punjab Assembly to block Michael Kamran on presenting annual budget of Punjab because he is not elected representative but selected by Pakistan Muslim League PML(N) ruling party, if he was elected by Christian votes he might have power to present budget or any move in assembly” President General Parvez Mushrraf abolished Election of Christian parliamentarians on reserved seats for minorities through President Order and imposed Joint Electorate which empowered Muslim political parties to nominate and Select minority representatives on reserved seats in parliament.
 

tvarad

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And it's not as if the misogyny I quoted above has been confined to Pakistan. The mindset has travelled to the UK where Pakistani origin men deliberately target vulnerable white teenager girls to turn them into sex-slaves (something that senior British politicians like Jack Straw have complained happens regularly in their Pakistani infested consituencies):

Rochdale child 'prostitution ring' charges

Eight men have been remanded in custody over allegations of grooming and committing sexual activity with teenage girls in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.
The charges against them include rape, paying for sexual services of a child, trafficking a child and controlling child prostitution.
Those charged are among 26 arrested in relation to the sexual exploitation of teenage girls since 2008.
The charges are based on allegations by four teenage girls from Rochdale.
Border Agency All eight appeared before Rochdale Magistrates' Court earlier and will appear at Bolton Crown Court on 22 June.
The charged men are:

  • Abdul Rauf, 42, of Darley Road, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16, sexual activity and paying for the sexual services of a child and trafficking a child within the UK
  • Mohammed Ikhlaq, 41 of Cloverhall Crescent, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16
  • Adil Khan, 41, of Oswald Street, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16, two offences of sexual activity, and trafficking a child within the UK
  • Liaquat Shah, 41, of Kensington Street, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16 and two counts of rape
  • Mohammed Sajid, 34, of Jepheys Street, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with a girl under 16, three offences of sexual activity and attempting to pay for the sexual services of a child
  • Qamar Shahzad, 29, of Tweedale Street, Freehold, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16 and rape
  • Mohammed Amin, 44, of Falinge Road, Falinge, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16, sexual assault and sexual activity
  • Abdul Aziz, 40, of Armstrong Hurst Close, Rochdale, charged with conspiracy to commit sexual activity with girls under 16, trafficking girls, rape and controlling child prostitution
Wanted by police Meanwhile, three men aged between 34 and 43 answered bail on Tuesday and were re-bailed to later dates.
A further five men are due to answer bail on 21 June 2011.
Five other men have been released without charge while three more are not on bail.
Police said one man had been handed over to the UK Border Agency.
Hamid Safi, 21, of Kensington Street, Rochdale, failed to answer bail and is now wanted by police.
The inquiry was carried out by Greater Manchester Police's Public Protection Division and its Major Incident Team working with Rochdale division officers.
 

The Green Bean

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Pakistan is just embarassing itself at this point....

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/29/pakistan.violence/index.html?iref=obinsite

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Fourteen Pakistani soldiers were killed when they fired a mortar to try and repel a group of militants but accidentally hit themselves, a government official said.

This is just from the Afghan War:

War in Afghanistan
In the Tarnak Farm incident of April 18, 2002, four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others injured when U.S. Air National Guard Major Harry Schmidt, dropped a laser-guided 500 lb (230 kg) bomb from his F-16 jet fighter on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry regiment which was conducting a night firing exercise near Kandahar. Schmidt was charged with negligent manslaughter, aggravated assault, and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty of the latter charge. During testimony Schmidt blamed the incident on his use of "go pills" (authorized mild stimulants), combined with the 'fog of war'.[69] The Canadian dead received US medals for "bravery", but no apology.
Pat Tillman, a former professional American football player, was shot and killed by American fire in April 22, 2004. An Army Special Operations Command investigation was conducted by Brigadier General Jones and the U.S. Department of Defense concluded that Pat Tillman's death was due to friendly fire aggravated by the intensity of the firefight. A more thorough investigation concluded that no hostile forces were involved in the firefight and that two allied groups fired on each other in confusion after a nearby explosive device was detonated.
On April 6, 2006, a British convoy in Afghanistan wounded 13 Afghan police officers and killed one, after calling in a US airstrike on what they thought was a Taliban attack.[70]
In Sangin Province, a RAF Harrier mistakenly strafed British troops missing the enemy 200 metres during a firefight with the Taliban in August 20, 2006. This angers British Major James Loden of 3 PARA, who called the RAF, "Completely incompetent and utterly, utterly useless in protecting ground troops in Afghanistan". British paratroopers even said that they rather prefer the US air-support over the RAF.[71][72]
Canadian soldiers opened fire on his white pickup truck, about 25 kilometres west of Kandahar, killing an Afghan officer with 6 others injured in August 26, 2006.[73]
Operation Medusa (2006): 1 - Two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts accidentally strafed NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, killing Canadian Private Mark Anthony Graham.
On 5 December 2006, an F/A-18C on a Close Air Support mission in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, mistakenly attacked a trench where British Royal Marines were dug-in during a 10-hour battle with Taliban fighters, killing one Royal Marine.[74]
Lance Corporal Matthew Ford, from Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on January 15, 2007, which was later found to be due to friendly fire. The final inquest ruled he died from NATO rounds from a fellow Royal Marine's machine gun. The report added there was no "negligence" by the other Marine, who had made a "momentary error of judgment".[75][76]
Canadian troops mistakenly killed a Afghan National Police officer and a homeless beggar after their convoy was ambushed in Kandahar City.[77]
Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops.[78]
August 23, 2007: A USAF F-15 called in to support British ground forces in Afghanistan dropped a bomb on those forces. Three privates of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Anglian Regiment, were killed and two others were severely injured. It was later revealed that the British forward air controller who called in the strike had not been issued a noise-cancelling headset, and while he supplied the correct target co-ordinates, in the confusion and stress of the battle incorrectly confirmed one wrong digit mistakenly repeated by the pilot, and the bomb landed on the British position 1000 metres away from the enemy.[79] The coroner at the soldiers' inquest stated that the incident was due to "flawed application of procedures" rather than individual errors or "recklessness".[80]
British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from the Royal Life Guards, killing two.[81] It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6-8 Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period and only after the attack was completed did they realize that the missiles were British, based upon the fragments found after the incident.[82]
On January 12, 2008, two Dutch soldiers and two allied Afghan soldiers was shot dead by fellow Dutch soldiers in Uruzgan, Afghanistan.[83]
In the night on 14 January 2008 in Helmand Province, British troops saw some Afghans "conducting suspicious activities". Visibility was too bad for rifle-fire and they were too far away to call in mortar strikes. The squad decided to use a Javelin anti-tank missile missile they were carrying. British soldiers fired their missile on the nearby roof but the victims were their own Afghan army sentries. One Afghan soldier was killed.[84]
On July 9, 2008, nine British soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment were injured after being fired upon by British Army Apache helicopter while on patrol in Afghanistan.[85]
A statement issued jointly by the American and the Afghan military commands said a contingent of Afghan police officers fired on United States forces on 10 December 2008 after the Americans had successfully overrun the hide-out, killing the suspected Taliban commander and detaining another man. The US forces after securing the hideout came under heavy small arms fire and explosive grenades from the Afghan Police forces. "Multiple attempts to deter the engagement were unsuccessful," and the US forces returned fire. Afghan police have stated that they came under fire first and that the initial firing on the US forces came from the building next to the police station. This has led the US forces to conclude that the Afghan police forces might have been compromised. Initial reports indicate that this was a tragic case of mistaken identity on both parts.[86]
Captain Tom Sawyer, aged 26, 29 Commando Regiment Royal Artillery, and Corporal Danny Winter, aged 28, Zulu Company 45 Commando Royal Marines, were killed by an explosion on 14 January 2009. Both men were taking part in a joint operation with a Danish Battle Group and the Afghan National Army in a location north east of Gereshk in central Helmand Provence. The MoD subsequently confirmed that two men died from friendly fire when they were hit in error by a Javelin anti-tank missile from British troops.[87]
A British Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow British soldier while on patrol.[88] It was reported that no charges are to be brought against a British army sniper who killed a British Military Policeman because he was allowed to open fire if he believed that his life was in danger.[89]
German soldiers killed six Afghan soldiers in a friendly fire incident on their way to attack a Taliban. Afghan soldiers were traveling in support of other Afghan troops in the area. The German Patrol opened fire killing six.[90]
Sapper Mark Antony Smith, age 26, of the 36 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers, was killed by a smoke shell fired upon by British troops in Sangin Province, Afghanistan. The MoD is investigating his death and said a smoke shell, designed to provide cover for soldiers working on the ground, may have fallen short of its intended target.[91][92]
 
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