"If all Muslims wanted you gone then you'd be gone", you are either acknowledging that all Muslims aren't thinking the same thing or you are saying Muslims don't "want you gone". Which is it?
You are giving a false choice, which is precisely what Affleck insisted upon.
To back up a bit I'd say that of those who are the most vocal who identify themselves as liberal have a remarkable ability to say that a thing is right or wrong in principle then become completely prejudiced to the point where it appears an almost psychotic disconnect. No that was and was not meant to be anything other than harshly critical.
In the "discussion" some principles were espoused by Maher and of course everyone did the "of course, of course" accepting thing, then Maher and Harris pointed out some glaring problems of hypocrisy frequently seen in our forums. The last abortion bombing was 1984 but we still hear about it. Textbooks? Egads. Creationism? End of the world. Would I endorse that nonsense? No. Neither do you or most here on the left. Christians are bad people and if you admit it or not that's the consensus. Then there's Muslims. Well, they're just misunderstood or whatever, and the most egregious violations of human rights on a massive scale are occurring in areas that are not only areas where the faith is followed, but are actually full blown theocracies. The statistics about apostasy happen to be consistent whoever does them. The penalty for leaving the faith should be punishable by death. One poster here said that it falls to "only" 40% once you get out of the hotbeds of violence. Can you imagine the outrage here if 40% of the Christians said those who change religion or abandon it should be outright killed? Some nut in VA wants "alternative science" and that's evil? Come on, someones moral compass is broken here, and it isn't Maher.
Yes, there are real problems here with how Islam is being practiced and the mindset of many is theoretically abhorrent to someone like Affleck claims to be.
That is the entire issue in a nutshell. Affleck and the other proceed to demonstrate Maher and Harris' point perfectly, and if you don't conform you are a bigoted black hater, that last point being clearly thrown out as a threat. Being tarred and feathered or conform and say and think what we tell you. Some Liberalism that is.
OK I shredded Affleck and pointed out real problem with how Islam is practised that Liberals defend or at least attempt to minimize, deflect or redirect from.
Now the other claim. For all the problems that Islam presents from anything worth calling a Liberal perspective they are not all out to kill us. That's not what any of this was about anyway. The problems are mostly internal where societal and religious conformity are expected and a substantial majority in some areas feel that violation should be subject to death. Note that is "internal", where the faith is accepted. They aren't out to kill us all. In fact the majority (well I hope it would be the case) in those Islamic regions wouldn't pursue death for leaving the faith.
In a nutshell I have never thought the goal of most who practice Islam is to "kill the infidel". I think most just want to live out a peaceful life. That said there's something seriously wrong when people are killed because a Korans were burned AFTER the advice of a cleric was sought and followed.
I'll also say there's something wrong with our Liberals like Affleck and many here. When a cartoonist draws a picture of Mohammed, no matter how offensive and is then threatened with death, where is their outrage? How about this
little clip from South Park? Producers threatened and they remove the entire episode because of it? Imagine if Christians had done that, there'd be hundreds of posts about it. This? Oh, no problem.
Now if you don't see how skewed, bigoted, and prejudiced Affleck and his ilk are in reality then there's not much else anyone can say. Modern Liberalism as practiced by some very influential people is just that, and the sheeple follow. I'm not impressed with them any more than their counterparts.
I expect "Oh but conservatives this and Christians that". Well this issue isn't about them. It isn't about the Buddhists nor Communists or anyone else. It's the blindness and hypocrisy of those willfully taking good ideas and trampling them themselves with their own bullying, bigotry and blindness.
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