Affirmative Action - Get rid of it...work for a living!

Originally posted by: Spudd
I don't know you're a jew until you tell me your name, and for many their last name isn't even jewish. However, if you're skin is dark I KNOW you're a minority. There's a big difference. You can hide one, but you can't hide the color of your skin. Think about it.

You couldn't hide the yellow stars on your clothing in Nazi Germany. You couldn't hide the scent of burning flesh from the incinerators at the death camps. And you certainly couldn't hide the bones showing through the skin of enslaved Jewish prisoners at concentration camps.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action <b>allows</b> people to work for a living.

While <b>preventing</b> others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I don't think that AA should have an absolutely enormous impact on admission decision, but it should have some impact on admissions. Socio-economic factores should be a bigger influence, but race should have at least a little significance.

Would YOU want to trade your skin color for that of an African American? I sure wouldn't. There's just a larger amount of racism against them.

Anyways, it seems like most people here use AA as an excuse for their own failures in life. Not directed at anyone in this thread/board, just an observation from past threads.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Spudd
I don't know you're a jew until you tell me your name. For many their last name isn't even jewish. However, if your skin is dark I KNOW you're a minority. There's a big difference. You can hide one, but you can't hide the color of your skin. Think about it.

So, job and school applications don't require names anymore? K-12 teachers don't know the names of their students?

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Spudd
I don't know you're a jew until you tell me your name. For many their last name isn't even jewish. However, if your skin is dark I KNOW you're a minority. There's a big difference. You can hide one, but you can't hide the color of your skin. Think about it.

If I recall collectly, when u apply for universities, u dont have to disclose your skin color, or your race right?? So skin color is not a factor in getting into schools at all, but with AA, skin color IS an advantage for the black people, they can get in without having the necessary qualifications for the school.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action <b>allows</b> people to work for a living.

While <b>preventing</b> others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

 

[Spudd]

No you couldn't and what happened there was an abomination. But, the last time I checked, the year was 2003. I don't see any death camps for jews in the US. My point is, you can always hide the fact that you are something (jewish, gay, catholic, whatever) if you're white. You can't hide the color of your skin. If you can't see the difference, then you're either blind or just trying to fool yourself.

 

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action <b>allows</b> people to work for a living.

While <b>preventing</b> others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

What if there are two equally qualified black dudes? Will one of them go to the surpreme court because his family had it harder than the other guy's during slavery? At some point, people must realize that EVERYONE has had hardship in their lives. What about the Crusades? The six-day war? WWI? WWII? Japanese Internment? The Gulf War? Lots of hardship there, but still, why should SOME races get preferential admissions to colleges?

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action allows people to work for a living.

While preventing others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

Yes, I have made that assumption. How often are the candidates equally qualified? Enough to make a difference?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action <b>allows</b> people to work for a living.

While <b>preventing</b> others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

What if there are two equally qualified black dudes? Will one of them go to the surpreme court because his family had it harder than the other guy's during slavery? At some point, people must realize that EVERYONE has had hardship in their lives. What about the Crusades? The six-day war? WWI? WWII? The Gulf War? Lots of hardship there, but still, only blacks complain about keeping affirmative action alive.

What about the Native Americans!?!?

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Actually - affirmative action <b>allows</b> people to work for a living.

While <b>preventing</b> others. Others who are more qualified.

You assume that's always the case. There are many times where there are equally qualified candidates, and one gets in based on their ethnicity.

I'd say when it happens a good majority of the time then it's safe to say that it's an unfair practice.

 

Originally posted by: her209
What about the Native Americans!?!?

EDITED to reflect your point. Thanks.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
You need to study more on the after effects of slavery on a culture. Its a huge force that has continued to undermind the success of blacks in the USA. I mean come on dude its called old Money man. Most blacks dont have old money because there parents parents were slaves. Also by the way you guys act as though slavery occurred 400 million years ago. Wake up and realize that AA is a form of equality for the years of greed and slavery imposed your parents parents.

I'm well aware of the effects of slavery on a culture. I'm Jewish. My people were enslaved by cruel Egyptian pharohs. I'm not making a big deal about it. I'm not demanding reparations from the Egyptians. I don't demand to be let into the University of Cairo because of my heritage.

"But," you say, "that happened thousands of years ago!" Yes, it did. But Jews have NEVER, EVER demanded preferential treatment because of their heritage. Ever heard of a place called Aushwitz? It was tougher, hotter and deadlier than the hottest Mississippi cotton field in 1855. My grandparents almost died there, but the Allied army rescued them.

I'm not sure why Jews don't complain about their treatment over the past 5,000 years. Maybe it's because we realize that minorities have it tough, and that we must work for our achievements. You could learn a lot from a Jew.

EDIT: Don't EVER tell me that my parents' parents held slaves. You don't know a DAMN thing about my grandparents, and you obviously don't recognize that OTHER people have had it tough, not just blacks. The way you talk, it seems like you're a self-centered dick who feels like everything should be handed to him just because his skin is colored differently then mine. Yup, sounds like affirmative action to me.

My skin is white. But my blood runs red, just like yours. We've all had hardships in our lives, and just because your skin is darker than mine, it doesn't mean that your trials and tribulations are ANY worse. Wake up and realize that other people in this world have had to work for their place in society. You obviously don't want to.

I have news for you: you, not I, are perpetuating the stereotype that African-Americans don't want to work for their benefits. My family has had an incredible story of hardship and blight, and look where I am today. No government assistance, no HANDOUTS, and pure HARD WORK.

Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!


SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I am a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

 

[Spudd]

You missed my point. I'm just saying that you can't hide the color of your skin. Period. If a black person went to a bank to get a business loan, and the financial specialist was a racist, there was no way that black person was getting that loan. But if a jewish guy with an Anglo name went into a bank for a loan, and the financial specialist hated jews, he wouldn't KNOW the guy was jewish unless the guy told him.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Spudd
No you couldn't and what happened there was an abomination. But, the last time I checked, the year was 2003. I don't see any death camps for jews in the US. My point is, you can always hide the fact that you are something (jewish, gay, catholic, whatever) if you're white. You can't hide the color of your skin. If you can't see the difference, then you're either blind or just trying to fool yourself.

WAIT!!!

Do you mean you've seen an honest to God slave in America?!

There have been death camps in our lifetime.

There have not been American slaves for over eight generations!

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: her209
What about the Native Americans!?!?

EDITED to reflect your point. Thanks.

And for the record I feel Native Americans got it just as bad as Blacks if not worse!

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
You need to study more on the after effects of slavery on a culture. Its a huge force that has continued to undermind the success of blacks in the USA. I mean come on dude its called old Money man. Most blacks dont have old money because there parents parents were slaves. Also by the way you guys act as though slavery occurred 400 million years ago. Wake up and realize that AA is a form of equality for the years of greed and slavery imposed your parents parents.

I'm well aware of the effects of slavery on a culture. I'm Jewish. My people were enslaved by cruel Egyptian pharohs. I'm not making a big deal about it. I'm not demanding reparations from the Egyptians. I don't demand to be let into the University of Cairo because of my heritage.

"But," you say, "that happened thousands of years ago!" Yes, it did. But Jews have NEVER, EVER demanded preferential treatment because of their heritage. Ever heard of a place called Aushwitz? It was tougher, hotter and deadlier than the hottest Mississippi cotton field in 1855. My grandparents almost died there, but the Allied army rescued them.

I'm not sure why Jews don't complain about their treatment over the past 5,000 years. Maybe it's because we realize that minorities have it tough, and that we must work for our achievements. You could learn a lot from a Jew.

EDIT: Don't EVER tell me that my parents' parents held slaves. You don't know a DAMN thing about my grandparents, and you obviously don't recognize that OTHER people have had it tough, not just blacks. The way you talk, it seems like you're a self-centered dick who feels like everything should be handed to him just because his skin is colored differently then mine. Yup, sounds like affirmative action to me.

My skin is white. But my blood runs red, just like yours. We've all had hardships in our lives, and just because your skin is darker than mine, it doesn't mean that your trials and tribulations are ANY worse. Wake up and realize that other people in this world have had to work for their place in society. You obviously don't want to.

I have news for you: you, not I, are perpetuating the stereotype that African-Americans don't want to work for their benefits. My family has had an incredible story of hardship and blight, and look where I am today. No government assistance, no HANDOUTS, and pure HARD WORK.

Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!


SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

ok then what about the chinese who were brought here to make the railroad tracks?? shouldnt they be getting benefit from AA too?? but noooooooo, THEY WORK HARD! They dont say, ohh my ancestors were non paid workers.........
Jesus the race number is definitely getting outplayed, if you cant get into a good school with ur grades, dont mix race into the equation

 

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!

SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

Jews built the Egyptian pyramids. For free. With overseers whipping their backs each day. Don't fvcking tell me I don't have anything to say. Any hardship your ANCESTORS have had, mine have had too. The difference between you and me? Those were my ANCESTORS. They're long dead, and I know that history can't be changed. So, I GOT OVER IT. And now I work hard for my achievements.

I think it's time for YOUR thick skull to watch The Ten Commandments. It wasn't all fun and games in the Egyptian desert.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: Spudd
No you couldn't and what happened there was an abomination. But, the last time I checked, the year was 2003. I don't see any death camps for jews in the US. My point is, you can always hide the fact that you are something (jewish, gay, catholic, whatever) if you're white. You can't hide the color of your skin. If you can't see the difference, then you're either blind or just trying to fool yourself.

WAIT!!!

Do you mean you've seen an honest to God slave in America?!

There have been death camps in our lifetime.

There have not been American slaves for over eight generations!

LOL. You guys sure like red herring arguments. You keep avoiding my point, so I'll say it again: you can't hide the color of your skin, but you can hide other aspects of your life if you're white (being jewish, being gay, a catholic, etc.) And no, I've never seen a black slave in america before. lol

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


Like I said before you are white so you dont understand.

racism++

Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK.

You are not the only race who built the USA. Are you denying anybody who helped build this country and brought it to what it is today?

I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!

It's not we. It's they. You didn't do anything. It was other people, so why the hell should you get paid for it? Why should you be rewarded for other people's work? I don't demand more money at work because my co-workers are doing a damn fine job.

I couldn't care less about AA, but I just despise this attitude that people feel everything is owed to them.

-silver

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!


SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

"WE" huh? You're entitled to you great-grandfather's back pay? If the cause of action runs directly to the descendant, then so does the liability. You'd better start looking through some family trees to locate the people who are alive today that have distant relatives who were actual slave owners if want justice on that basis.

If I benefit from the labors of slaves over a century ago, so do blacks.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
You need to study more on the after effects of slavery on a culture. Its a huge force that has continued to undermind the success of blacks in the USA. I mean come on dude its called old Money man. Most blacks dont have old money because there parents parents were slaves. Also by the way you guys act as though slavery occurred 400 million years ago. Wake up and realize that AA is a form of equality for the years of greed and slavery imposed your parents parents.

I'm well aware of the effects of slavery on a culture. I'm Jewish. My people were enslaved by cruel Egyptian pharohs. I'm not making a big deal about it. I'm not demanding reparations from the Egyptians. I don't demand to be let into the University of Cairo because of my heritage.

"But," you say, "that happened thousands of years ago!" Yes, it did. But Jews have NEVER, EVER demanded preferential treatment because of their heritage. Ever heard of a place called Aushwitz? It was tougher, hotter and deadlier than the hottest Mississippi cotton field in 1855. My grandparents almost died there, but the Allied army rescued them.

I'm not sure why Jews don't complain about their treatment over the past 5,000 years. Maybe it's because we realize that minorities have it tough, and that we must work for our achievements. You could learn a lot from a Jew.

EDIT: Don't EVER tell me that my parents' parents held slaves. You don't know a DAMN thing about my grandparents, and you obviously don't recognize that OTHER people have had it tough, not just blacks. The way you talk, it seems like you're a self-centered dick who feels like everything should be handed to him just because his skin is colored differently then mine. Yup, sounds like affirmative action to me.

My skin is white. But my blood runs red, just like yours. We've all had hardships in our lives, and just because your skin is darker than mine, it doesn't mean that your trials and tribulations are ANY worse. Wake up and realize that other people in this world have had to work for their place in society. You obviously don't want to.

I have news for you: you, not I, are perpetuating the stereotype that African-Americans don't want to work for their benefits. My family has had an incredible story of hardship and blight, and look where I am today. No government assistance, no HANDOUTS, and pure HARD WORK.

Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!


SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

ok then what about the chinese who were brought here to make the railroad tracks?? shouldnt they be getting benefit from AA too?? but noooooooo, THEY WORK HARD! They dont say, ohh my ancestors were non paid workers.........
Jesus the race number is definitely getting outplayed, if you cant get into a good school with ur grades, dont mix race into the equation

Dude Im not saying the campus were not bad. But you need to study much more on slavery. Your knowlegde is lacking. Millions of of Blacks died Just getting to the states and not counting the millions who died in the state of being hung.

You need to study more to truly understand.

Read My bondage and my Freedom by Fredrick by Fredrick Douglas

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: Spudd

LOL. You guys sure like red herring arguments. You keep avoiding my point, so I'll say it again: you can't hide the color of your skin, but you can hide other aspects of your life if you're white (being jewish, being gay, a catholic, etc.) And no, I've never seen a black slave in america before. lol

Earlier, you definitely stated that a name was the only thing necessary to reveal that someone is Jewish. It was then pointed out that Affirmative Racism programs are of such a nature that names are an absolute necessity. They can't send a job offer or an acceptance letter to someone they can't identify.

Yes, your point is understood, it is just irrelevant in the context of Affirmative Racism programs.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Like I said before you are white so you dont understand. Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK. I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!

SO take your hard work and keep it ok. By the way im not a dick I a nice guy and I dont hate white people at all. Its just I hate people who say that its only hard work that will move you to the top. COME ON GET REAL. Its not what you know it who you know.

Jews built the Egyptian pyramids. For free. With overseers whipping their backs each day. Don't fvcking tell me I don't have anything to say. Any hardship your ANCESTORS have had, mine have had too. The difference between you and me? Those were my ANCESTORS. They're long dead, and I know that history can't be changed. So, I GOT OVER IT. And now I work hard for my achievements.

I think it's time for YOUR thick skull to watch The Ten Commandments. It wasn't all fun and games in the Egyptian desert.

No I wasnt fun in the Desert and that why GOD killed so many Egyptians. Also why GOD gave MOSES the power to lead the people.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


Like I said before you are white so you dont understand.

racism++

Well as far as your parents parents yes they might not have owned slaves but reguardless. African Americans BUILT THE USA buddy. GET THAT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL. WE WERE NOT PAYED A DIME. WHAT ABOUT THAT HARD WORK.

You are not the only race who built the USA. Are you denying anybody who helped build this country and brought it to what it is today?

I know you have nothing to say about that. We werent payed sh#@ for that. AA is just a small reward Im getting for my Great Grandfather working 18hour days in a FU^$^ COTTON Field for FREE!!!!!!!

It's not we. It's they. You didn't do anything. It was other people, so why the hell should you get paid for it? Why should you be rewarded for other people's work? I don't demand more money at work because my co-workers are doing a damn fine job.

I couldn't care less about AA, but I just despise this attitude that people feel everything is owed to them.

-silver

ARGGGGH you dont get it. You will never get it cause it doesnt affect you. So basically I think you need to do more reading on slavery. I will really open your eyes.